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You are so fucking out of touch dude. Nobody is prescribing oxy to anyone.

There is roughly the same amount of oxycodone being distributed via prescription as recently as 2021 as there was in 2006. There was a massive increase between 2007 and 2020 which has subsided, but the drug still remains available. "nobody is prescribing oxy to anyone" is simply not true. How do I know? I work with doctors who prescribe oxycodone.

My point, mind you, was not to talk about current practices so much as to talk about big pharma's culpability in over-prescribing as a whole and contributing to widespread addiction in the same way as cartel bosses. I don't view opioids as good or bad - yet I do view profiteering on the suffering of others as quite bad.
there is a huge epidemic of under medicated catastrophic injury and chronic disease right now.
I don't disagree with you here. The DEA created a pain crisis when it cracked down so hard that legitimate prescriptions became hard to come by. This contributed to the rise in fentanyl related overdose deaths and overall deaths of despair that we've seen over the past 6-10 years.
Mass suicides of patients that have been pulled off Medicines they were on for decades.

Ever since the CDC and DEA cracked down on 2016 nobody prescribes opioids anymore.

Stanford universities chronic pain clinic does not prescribe any C2 opioids.

There are 5 pain clinics in the SF bay area of 3.5 million ppl that still have a license to script C2 narcotics. None take new patients.

Nobody prescribes opioids beyond just a week or two supply for a surgery anymore.

No pharma company is pumping the US full of opioids
No - they've switched to ketamine.
 
Yet now you are researching and reading the history of my posting on bluelight? And cutting and pasting it into different threads I post in.


Wait are you too cool and busy making 100 k that you pathetically think is a lot of money?

Or are you indeed thinking about us by researching post history and continuing to reply and reply?

Which one is it? What you say or what you do?
You are and have been out of pocket in this thread man.

Please stop harassing and insulting voxide, and just stick to the topic at hand. You've been warned multiple times now but this is the last one.

If you've got a problem with him, use the ignore function.
 
No - they've switched to ketamine.


“The injectable ketamine market was USD 1.2 billion in 2023”. - note that this includes depression also so the amount of this for pain is a fraction (>1.2 B)

Source: https://www.strategicmarketresearch.com/market-report/injectable-ketamine-market

The global opioids market size is calculated at USD 23.42 billion in 2025

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23.4 B > (>1.2 B)
Hardly seems like it’s switched to ketamine as you posited.
Not sure where you got that information from.

And this is still even the case where opioid precription rates have drastically been decreased since the CDCs 2016 guidlines and DEA response to those guidlines. Source: https://www.valueinhealthjournal.com/article/S1098-3015(21)01494-7/pdf
 
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“The injectable ketamine market was USD 1.2 billion in 2023”. - note that this includes depression also so the amount of this for pain is a fraction (>1.2 B)

Source: https://www.strategicmarketresearch.com/market-report/injectable-ketamine-market

The global opioids market size is calculated at USD 23.42 billion in 2025

Source:

23.4 B > (>1.2 B)
Hardly seems like it’s switched to ketamine a you posited.
Not sure where you got that information from.

And this is still even the case where opioid precription rates have drastically been decreased since the CDCs 2016 guidlines and DEA response to those guidlines. Source: https://www.valueinhealthjournal.com/article/S1098-3015(21)01494-7/pdf
Ketamine is a very cheap drug that has been around a long long time and you're comparing it to an entire category of drugs. I'd say that's significant.
 
Every single post you’ve made since you said you are too cool making money to think about me, has instead been about me. your last six consecutive posts have been about me. Below are the new posts you’ve made also about me since I last pointed this out in post #68.

I’m just wondering when you’re not gonna be on here perpetually arguing and not knowing who I am? Like you promised you were?

When does that part happen?









@deficiT : all I’m doing is quoting his own endless posts about me and his other posts saying he doesn’t think about me at all or post on BL at all. Just trying to get some clarification on this glaring contradiction, doesn’t seem like harassment to me. Also, I wasn’t the one that first brought money into this as a cudgel, that was him.
I understand, some of his comments and behavior aren't acceptable either. Please utilize the ignore function and end the personal dispute here, or we'll have to infract one or both of you, which no one enjoys doing.
 
Boooh --- we need a dueling arena! Actually we need a union how dope would that be. Anyone with a users union card or w/e gets arrested lawyer prefunded and a whole group of motha fuckas to have your back. You have a card and you get ripped off you call your union rep lol --- we could take back the night! No card for anyone caught misrepresenting what they sell -- immediate card pull --- hell a zoom call with someone could save an addicts life if they OD (assuming 911 shows up in time -- never 911'd a different town idk how that works)

Obviously this is a pipe dream -- one I like and feel is positive though and this doesn't seem to be going anywhere super productive so.....Unionize!

BACK ON TOPIC (as we are prolly gunna get) -- I am interested in if less opiates are being prescribed today than say 10 years ago - It feels true (Could be confirmation bias they are always squeezing us harder) --- Lets fight with data --- Less opi's prescribed in the US today than 10-15 yrs ago? DATA WAR!!
 
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BACK ON TOPIC (as we are prolly gunna get) -- I am interested in if less opiates are being prescribed today than say 10 years ago -

Yes this is the case. I gave a source for this earlier in the thread (see post #79).
Here it is


I think it’s actually way less being prescribed than what this article says. It it’s still a very significant reduction here (25%) especially when you consider our elderly population is growing in size, Americans are unhealthier overall than before; if anything that should be requiring more opioids.

I am always shocked to hear people say that doctors are still overprescribing opioids. That was 15 years ago. It’s amazing what media and DEA propaganda can do.

If you visit r/chronicpain in Reddit you will see most people that are completely crippled or horribly diseased can’t get their hands on anything stronger than tramadol.

My old neighbor that is currently in hospice was on the phone with me yesterday talking about how he’s in so much pain and they won’t give him more than 60 mg oxy per day because “he might become an addict.” An addict, in hospice. Our able bodied fentanyl/crack junkies get more releif for their withdrawal pains at methadone clinics (~200 mg methadone per day) than this innocent old guy gets for his end stage liver cancer pain. Dude tells me he doesn’t sleep but once every three night because the pain is so under medicated at 60 mg per day.
 
Yes this is the case. I gave a source for this earlier in the thread (see post #79).
Here it is


I think it’s actually way less being prescribed than what this article says. It it’s still a very significant reduction here (25%) especially when you consider our elderly population is growing in size, Americans are unhealthier overall than before; if anything that should be requiring more opioids.

I am always shocked to hear people say that doctors are still overprescribing opioids. That was 15 years ago. It’s amazing what media and DEA propaganda can do.

If you visit r/chronicpain in Reddit you will see most people that are completely crippled or horribly diseased can’t get their hands on anything stronger than tramadol.

My old neighbor that is currently in hospice was on the phone with me yesterday talking about how he’s in so much pain and they won’t give him more than 60 mg oxy per day because “he might become an addict.” An addict, in hospice. Our able bodied fentanyl/crack junkies get more releif for their withdrawal pains at methadone clinics (~200 mg methadone per day) than this innocent old guy gets for his end stage liver cancer pain. Dude tells me he doesn’t sleep but once every three night because the pain is so under medicated at 60 mg per day.
I actually worked with a patient last year in therapy who had to go to a methadone clinic in order to get on methadone because he couldn't get pain management any other way. I felt bad for the guy. Grow Kratom, grow poppies. All you can do honestly.
 
Jesus Christ dude… do yourself a favour and spend some of your 300 000$ a year salary on some good drugs, hang out with friends and play some board games or something. I dunno. Anything has to be a little better than what you’re doing now.
 
If you don’t like what the mods of this site are doing just delete your own account.
Crazy thought?
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Or, stop being a dick to everyone that doesn’t agree with your view that people who take drugs are miserable but won’t admit it. Or whatever the fuck it is you’re trying to prove.

This is 🦇💩🤪
 
My point, mind you, was not to talk about current practices so much as to talk about big pharma's culpability in over-prescribing as a whole and contributing to widespread addiction in the same way as cartel bosses.
In many cases, a patient's pain is not being taken serious enough and if the pain is "addressed" why is no one is sending help to the address.

Since "The War On Drugs" has dramatically & obviously failed and the magnitude of the heroin & fentanyl debacle will never decline, I see nothing wrong with doing more for patients in pain.

The definitions regarding to pain have changed too much. The laws changing and effecting how a patient's pain has changed too much. Example, medical data on Google varies stating chronic pain is any pain lasting longer that 3 months and some states 9 months. Some data states chronic pain syndrome starts after having chronic pain for 3 months. I was diagnosed with chronic pain syndrome (CPS) after living with chronic pain for 25 years. That equates to 38 years.

There needs to be a more clear cut information in order to treat pain safely and effective without over doing the treatment from the start. By allowing patients to be treated accordingly to their actual pain levels, roots for the pain, according to tolerance & dependence levels, and according to patient prognosis. This is how the process starts effectively.

Unfortunately, there are patients in the system that have been legal Rx pain medications for long periods of time. They are also on other meds deemed taboo. On the same note, unfortunately patients have been abusing pain meds and other meds and now they need for legal reasons. So they need to get honest with their doctor to develop a positive plan.

Patients with chronic pain syndrome will typically require a handful of taboo medications to experience a decent quality of life. If the patient before entering chronic pain and/or chronic pain syndrome, and/or cancer pain, in most cases will require higher doses of medications than normal.

Besides pain and the increased chronic pain involved relating to the symptom, I have horrible fatigue issues, depression, anxiety, severe insomnia, I have difficulty concentrating in which has negative impacts on relationships with myself and others. I used to be one of the ultra relaxed person in a group. Now I am the guy now one wants to be around. The irritability I have build up inside is confusing and it can be draining itself always monitoring my words, how to treat others without upsetting them, and in general I get discouraged easily when I am trying my best.

This is a Google search that helps explain some of it :

  • Fatigue:
    Chronic pain can cause profound weariness and excessive sleepiness, impacting daily life.

  • Mood Changes:
    Depression, anxiety, and increased irritability are common, with some studies suggesting a significant percentage of individuals with chronic pain also experience depression.

  • Sleep Disturbances:
    Difficulty falling asleep, staying asleep, or experiencing restful sleep are frequently reported.

  • Cognitive Difficulties:
    Chronic pain can affect concentration and cognitive function, making it challenging to focus and remember things.

  • Impact on Relationships:
    The pain can strain personal relationships due to the emotional toll it takes on the individual and their loved ones, as well as potential financial strain.

  • Physical Symptoms:
    Besides pain, individuals may experience stiffness, achiness, and tenderness in various parts of the body.

  • Increased Stress:
    Chronic pain can be a constant source of stress, further exacerbating the other symptoms.

  • Potential for Substance Use Disorders:
    Individuals with chronic pain may turn to substances to cope with the pain and its associated challenges, potentially leading to addiction.

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Denying medications to patients because of a losing war to drugs and/or the lack of care to remove fentanyl/heroin is more than a crime against humanity.
With the ultra trained special forces and weapon capabilities just the USA has alone, the Mexican cartel's strongholds could be extinguished faster than someone would expect.
 
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You can def still score scripts just gotta know where to look. Depends on location

I can make a call right now and have opana 10s delivered lol. Nice pink KVK 71s. I can make another one and get injectable Nubain amps. Prices obv are crazy and I’m not talking about like 60 of em anything, but it’s do-able; not that I give a shit I’m on subs anyway and don’t even care about getting high anymore

Edit: That is NOT an advert to try and get me to middle man for you lmao stay outta my messages

Of course they massively clamped down over the years but it’s not impossible with some people skills and connects. Even croakers still exist one just got indicted here not that long ago for giving people 30s and xanny bars sight unseen lol

Same exact thing with “real” heroin. It’s not out on every corner getting pitches anymore like 2005 but it’s out there

Some of you’s just ain’t people people and that’s fine, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist just because YOUR plug can’t serve it to you lmfao. Shit, maybe that’s the reason some of you’s are so…hot under the collar? I dunno lol

“It doesn’t exist it doesn’t exist”

Lmao yeah not with that attitude it doesn’t. $$ talks homeslices. All my time spent in this game the only single opiate I remember not being about to track down was…Demerol lmfao



Not talkin to anyone in particular just with the general thread topic atm
 
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My old neighbor that is currently in hospice was on the phone with me yesterday talking about how he’s in so much pain and they won’t give him more than 60 mg oxy per day because “he might become an addict.” An addict, in hospice. Our able bodied fentanyl/crack junkies get more releif for their withdrawal pains at methadone clinics (~200 mg methadone per day) than this innocent old guy gets for his end stage liver cancer pain. Dude tells me he doesn’t sleep but once every three night because the pain is so under medicated at 60 mg per day.

Unfortunately not unheard of, but sometimes can be fixed by going "up the prescribing ladder" to a superior (or the board) at a hospital. The risk of becoming an addict is pretty explicitly NOT to be considered when dealing with end-of-life care.

That said, besides methadone which would surely work, Suboxone might provide more stability than 60mg of oxy/hydro.
 
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