Discussion Vaping 7-OH wtf is this

[JackARoe]

Both these shoddy devices (which may not even contain 7-oh, it wouldn't be the first time an RC opioid was sold as kratom - an incident of that is why several European countries banned it) and the overdramatic moralizing reaction it causes are likely going to get kratom banned entirely.

I love the ingenuity of people playing around. But to survive the powers that be we have to be wise like and owl and sly like a fox. But we are not. And the state of drugs in 2025 irritates me beyond anything I can even pinpoint. Let's hope this is an ephedrine type scenario if it comes about. Kratom stays legal but these altered pills become banned or over 18 like some states did with kratom. I can tell by your post you are irritated too so thanks for confirming my emotions.

I say this with respect to the intelligent people of BL that know how to do things on their own. I respect that and the knowledge of alkaloids and contents of substances and what can be altered is fascinating. In fact if I ever did try 7-OH it would be from one of them that knows what they are doing and not adding crap or misrepresenting. That is where the real knowledge is.

This stuff is like a bull in a china shop. And I would not be surprised to find adulterated offerings. I am glad there is a chemical process to actually make it. It may save kratom. In 2016 Chuck Rosenberg was head of the DEA. I have seen the man. Seems like he listens and has some human compassion. So he backed off a ban. But this stuff, if it is still called kratom, may very well be the end of this. Probably not. If it was 1985 kratom itself would have been labelled a narcotic and banned under Reagan. But here in 2025 we seem to be the wild west, Tianeptine, a much stronger opioid is still out there. And it probably puts kratom products to shame. But yeah, we have to be smart. Not even sure what that is.

I am ready. I was ready in 2016. But honestly I think the times have changed. It is hard to make a natural product illegal. But a substance is easier. And it is good that kratom leaf has almost no 7-OH. Let's hope we survive this for the people that need it. I am tapering off plain leaf very slowly. Like drops every few months and it is a piece of cake. I imagine 7-OH is not as kind.

 

[Esperighanto]

I am ready. I was ready in 2016. But honestly I think the times have changed. It is hard to make a natural product illegal. But a substance is easier. And it is good that kratom leaf has almost no 7-OH. Let's hope we survive this for the people that need it. I am tapering off plain leaf very slowly. Like drops every few months and it is a piece of cake. I imagine 7-OH is not as kind.

The clandestine nature of [mitragynine extraction -> oxidation] to turn kratom powder into 7-OH-Mitragynine is not only approachable, but is becoming quite widely known and explored in the community of cannabis extractionists, mushroom cultivators, etc.

I have a suspicion that 7-OH-Mitragynine is probably not going anywhere at this point, as a result of the clandestine cat being out of the bag. Finding it at gas stations and smoke shops though will probably become a thing of the past.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

"Shoddy devices wouldn't be the first time an RC opioid was sold as Kratom" --- it is not called kratom though it has its own chemical name?

But it is not being sold as kratom anymore than heroin is being sold as poppy pods? I trust those pills to be 7 OH more than I trust anything off the blackmarket to be what it actually is. (Figure the dose may be low and who knows if they had 99% to begin with).
"That's why I stock up on kratom" --- Bulky and icky to get down I would rather stock up on 7-oh frankly.

You can damn the process but it is going to happen everytime -- find alkaloid -- tweak alkaloid in most financially fruitful and legally inconsequential l as possible. (If you care about legality)

 

[Esperighanto]

"That's why I stock up on kratom" --- Bulky and icky to get down I would rather stock up on 7-oh frankly.

As convenient as even DIY extracts/teas can be, it's still a task and a half to get kratom down most of the time. I personally have found myself prone to what I colloquially refer to as "gross medicine aclimation", where I used to be disgusted by peyote, ayahuasca, mushrooms, DXM, (meth)amphetamine, benzos, MD(M)A, GHB and its prodrugs, LSA containing seeds, and amanitas but over time the taste just grew on me. While cultivating fungi at a bulk scale, it was simply too convenient to fill my pockets with dried fruits and go skating. The amphetamines and benzos I used to chew up as a teenager under the facetious assumption that it would make them more potent, and within a few times, I was completely used to it. I always wonder if people who stockpile kratom powder are in a similar boat, where they've just bodied the gross plant dust so many times that nowadays it's normalized to them.

Your note about compactness/smooth consumption too is highly relevant. When cultivating or acquiring a large amount of anything that can be compressed (cannabis, mushrooms, cacti, kratom -> 7-OH, poppies -> opium, anything like that) I always compact and purify as much as possible. Not only does it make storage easier and more space-efficient, but it makes the analysis of a product a lot easier, and often consumption is easier too. Dabs, 7-OH-Mitragynine, mushroom milkshakes, and purified mescaline will always be easier for me to consume when compared to cannabis flower, kratom, straight mushrooms or straight cactus. I imagine that people who are pissed off about 7-OH being around are pissed off that it's being marketed as "perk" and "roxie" tablets at random gas stations/smoke shops. If 7-OH remained in the realm of the small batch chemist, converting mitragynine into 7-OH-Mitragynine for their own personal supply, I doubt anybody would've cared.

 

[JackARoe]

I have a suspicion that 7-OH-Mitragynine is probably not going anywhere at this point, as a result of the clandestine cat being out of the bag. Finding it at gas stations and smoke shops though will probably become a thing of the past.

Agreed, I am surprised at how the US has changed since 1983. Understand I am jaded as f*ck. lol I watched friends go to jail for an ounce of weed.

So many substances should have been caught in the 'war on drugs" long ago. And if you think about it there are so many new substances coming out all the time too. Law can't keep up but should not make natural substances illegal anyway. I feel that way with all substances, synthetic or natural.

I imagine that people who are pissed off about 7-OH being around are pissed off that it's being marketed as "perk" and "roxie" tablets at random gas stations/smoke shops. If 7-OH remained in the realm of the small batch chemist, converting mitragynine into 7-OH-Mitragynine for their own personal supply, I doubt anybody would've cared.

Yup, wise as an owl and sly like a fox. And that is not that.

 

[Esperighanto]

Agreed, I am surprised at how the US has changed since 1983. Understand I am jaded as f*ck. lol I watched friends go to jail for an ounce of weed.

Crazy thought, I used to walk around the city with an electric nectar collector and an ounce puck of pure THC crystals and nobody ever gave a shit, cops included. Skating around eating mushrooms out of my pockets, or vaporizing DMT out of a pen never bothered anybody in public there either, but maybe that's a Maine thing, idrk. The scent of the neighborhood that I grew up in was objectively White Widow and machine oil, so I find cannabis very home-y and comforting.

 

[JackARoe]

The scent of the neighborhood that I grew up in was objectively White Widow and machine oil, so I find cannabis very home-y and comforting.

Yeah my neighborhood in NY also had that scent. I mean even in the 70's the town police did not care unless you were an ass. The parks at night we gathered. Bon fires in the woods with a keg.

Saying that ANYTHING passed off as pure THC crystal back then was PCP. This is where time enabled some fables to become true through ingenuity. I believe that today pure THC crystal is for real.

Back to "Roxies". Anyone calling 7-HO that does not care about you or what you ingest. Where as most of us would not do that to people. BL has had pretty cool discussions surrounding 7-OH. But no one is selling it to me as roxies. But again funny enough my corner grocer, who is a pretty cool guy, gave up on 7-OH. Said people complain each batch is different. And the THC buds are more consistent. So I don't think we will have any mass publicity on it unless it is adulterated.

That's why I stock up on kratom" --- Bulky and icky to get down I would rather stock up on 7-oh frankly.

Fiber man. I get it down easy. And I trust it more from my two cool and interested vendors I have used for years. They do not sell 7-OH. And regular kratom is probably not 7-OH type effects. I am all about keeping tolerance down.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

"perk" and "roxie" tablets at random gas stations/smoke shops.

^That is really annoying and off putting. Locally we have a brand called smurfs, rocksy (Or a similar variation, and one more that was too on the nose ---- Yea that is not wise marketing at all and will surely catch a ban) not an owl/fox move forsure.

I suspect the way we can chew benzos and not be bothered by the taste that kratom is probably similar. Like you I would like to ingest the least amount possible ideally. ex I liked 25i-nbome better than 2c-i not really for taste reasons but some.

Jackaroe-- I am old and jaded like that too. "I remember driving 6 hours into gang territory to wait at a strangers house for brick weed" -- sometimes a parking lot if things were messed up... Also grew up around the smell of pot and have objectively always liked it. Before I knew the difference I would ask my parents if they were having a "Good smelling cigarette or not?"--- pot smoke, even fresh weed is a comfort smell for me.

Personally took a full on raid on some "attempted poss" shit -- needless to say someone was telling tall tales about me. Pot being legal (Enough) is a win -- that was the hill I thought I would die on. Now I stay the hell away from the blackmarket.

On the roxies, I def saw some kid hopping in and out of the smoke shop meeting ppl at Starbucks duck in and out of the store like 4 times while I was perusing there new expensive glass. I do not know what he was telling ppl they were or how they didn't catch on since he was pretty much in eye line of them the whole time!.... (Hooray now they can afford roors and glass hookahs and a 1k dab rig *Which shouldn't drop any jaws here* --- When my Rasta Roor broke I gave up on glass bongs though lol even my banger is silicone coated. The glass hookah does look dope though.) ---I think more commonly that is like the "Brand" name or w/e than it says 7 oh on the package. I don't think any gas stations are pretending to have oxycodone outright?

Yea I could toughen up and get it down but the SSRI effects, the withdrawal of many alkaloids at once -- I kinda prefer dealing with an isolated alkaloid.

 

[Didgital]

quite widely known and explored in the community of cannabis extractionists,

all the d8 chemists need work

 

[Esperighanto]

all the d8 chemists need work

D8 chemists for sure, I'm talking professional cannabis chemists working in the medical industry that I personally know from college, they're in Maine and Florida specifically.

 

[dethkids]

@4DQSAR https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-23736-2

I think this paper inspired a lot of clandestine chemists. It specifically mentions Oxone and synth routes for 11-X-7OH derivatives (sorry mods, delete if really necessary)

I think a lot of the red batches, which are aka / sold in vape shops as "red OH" or "pseudoindoxyl", are actually the 11-x analogs

The last batch I had a week ago I think was an 11-x analog. VERY long half life. Feels like 7oh, except nausea was a major issue and was long lasting vs 7oh. I actually vomited a few times. I preferred it to regular 7oh, mainly due to the duration. I only had to dose once per day in the morning (compared to every ~6 hours with regular 7oh), and the tapering/withdrawal process was smoother.

But I honestly think these alkaloids are the devil now. These are really unusual opioids, with usually bad withdrawals.

Where are you seeing 7oh vapes??

 

[Quasimoto]

Where are you seeing 7oh vapes??

I think I've seen them online but idk

 

[Esperighanto]

Where are you seeing 7oh vapes??

I've seen countless in the smoke shops, convenience stores, gas stations and tourist hubs (places that sell hoodies that say "BOSTON" in Boston, or beachfront towns in Maine, for example). Also some truck stops between Maine and Florida that offer vending machines of cigarettes will have vapes containing to include a variety of cannabinoids (the majority of which are not even real), "mushroom" vapes, kanna vapes, and 7-OH vapes.

Edit: I've only vaped 7-OH that I got myself as a pure, crystal extract. The gas station "mushroom" vapes, kanna vapes, and 7-OH vapes are likely just D8 mislabeled on purpose.

 

[WellTram]

I had it. It was like taking hit of nothing for me.
But good kratom powder Is stronger for me than oxycodone and tramadol, not feeling extreme opioids high Is best for my pain and also so underrated monoaminergic + dooamine raising substance with affects from feeling only weird snri nausea to feeling high AS on ICE ! + some morphine ( this depends on individual body chemistry, meds u take, and dose of tramadol. Normal kratom and extract small pills induce higher 2hour opioid best quality in me and Its enough to orevent WD drom othet opis but for me kratom lasts too short, if i want stronger opioid i take Oxy/dihydrodeine and and when i am lucky i have modafinil to boost speedy quality of my lazy brain burned to dust by 15y.o. crystal use. But every single med i take i need higher dose while on modafinil.

Kreatín vape was broken or just i could not recognize IT.