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Kratom 7-OH Snorting Bioavailability?

Esperighanto said:
I've both vaporized and insufflated 7-OH recently and I can say that oral < insufflated < vaporized as far as potency per milligram. The effects are also wildly different, insufflated and smoked are somewhat similar but smoked has me nodding like I'm railing lines of hydromorphone, whereas insufflated it's more speedy akin to the way oxycodone makes me clean my house without even realizing it. Sorry I don't have much more of an insight on it, my fiance and I cleaned a gram of 63% in something like 3-4 days so our tolerances and tachyphylaxis in general complicated things.
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Interesting to hear others say it's more speedy
 
blinkninja1 said:
how the hell u do that
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Acquired a purified extract so I'm not accidentally smoking pill binder. I detailed the experience in this post here. It burns easily, and doesn't like dissolving in anything easily used in a vape tank, but it will, given enough time, dissolve in PG which can be vaped.

Nobody should read about me vaporizing 7-OH and then go try to smoke pressies. Use extracts. Just putting this out there for future readers.
 
negrogesic said:
I didn't find pseudoindoxyl to be much stronger, just more sedating. I once took 6 tablets of pseudoindoxyl and was disappointed (it was actually 5 pills, then 1). Yes i was nodding off but there was something underwhelming about it.

I always take 7-OH and the pseudoindoxyl sublingually. Which is similar to snorting I suppose (never tried snorting them, and the only ones that seem worth trying are the little pellets). But ill keep on using them sublingually.

I personally find 7-OH has more pop to it, especially when its good quality. I end up manic, cleaning etc, which i like. The pseudoindoxyl isn't very motivating, or particularly euphoric.

They both have a weird comedown to them. I can easily use a dozen 7-OH pills in a day and end up feeling depressed and weird for a few days. In a way that seems distinct from opioid withdrawal. Almost feels like ive been poisoned.
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This is exactly my experience with 7-OH and psuedindoxil which I despise having to spell lol.
 
Quasimoto said:
Pseudoindoxyl is stupid strong. It should not be clearnet or headshop shit. I compare it to the fentanyl of mitragynine for a reason.

7-OH is much more agreeable for the vape shop scene, but still very strong opioid.
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You think pseudo hits that much better than 7? I've been reading that pseudo is most for sleeping and boosting 7 effects. I've never tried it alone though. In what ways is it comparable to fetty?
 
idfka said:
You think pseudo hits that much better than 7? I've been reading that pseudo is most for sleeping and boosting 7 effects. I've never tried it alone though. In what ways is it comparable to fetty?
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I used to much prefer pseudo over 7oh, real pseudo. Its stronger, more stimulating, more euphoric, longer legs, etc. However, after awhile I started preferring 7oh. Pseudo feels more "mechanical" and lacks the warmth of 7oh, particularly once you develop heavy tolerance.
 
Deleted member 585202 said:
yeah, nothing special bro, especially if you have tolerance, it's really not worth snorting anyways with all those pill fillers

pseudoindoxyl is a different story, the fentanyl of kratom alkaloids
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Withdrawal from pseudo or oxanol hits me hard because it hits the delta receptors as well as mu IMO.
I have severe cns damage and methadone is way better than morphine or oxy or codeine based molecules . Methadone actually is taken by delta receptors in the spinal cord and morphine hits mu receptors in the brain. That's why methadone has higher addiction threshold less narcotic affects and much easier Withdrawal. Oxonol has fast and hard Withdrawal in my experience and pain surges back VERY fast and hard when I detox. IDK what I'm going to do when 7 oh is no longer available. I do not obtain medication on the street or anything and Drs in Georgia cut my methadone 75% and I end up in ICU without pain mgt
 
Deleted member 585202 said:
I used to much prefer pseudo over 7oh, real pseudo. Its stronger, more stimulating, more euphoric, longer legs, etc. However, after awhile I started preferring 7oh. Pseudo feels more "mechanical" and lacks the warmth of 7oh, particularly once you develop heavy tolerance.
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Agreed 💯 oxynol is much better for straight pain mgt and 7 oh is more euphoric. Ox is taken up by delta receptors while 7oh is primarily recd by mu rec sites.
 
Holy smokes took a decade plus break from BL, glad to see it's still kicking...came to search about insuff of 7oh and came across this, prob old and dead but thought I'd throw my hat in the ring.

Got some 94% pure 7OH and took some toots. EXTREMELY fast onset, like 2-3min tops. Very speedy and hits hard, I really like it. Man I see how it could get dangerous, super small pure doses (took x2 25-35mg toots), clean and it got me feeling great. Got a huge energy boost, heavy eye lids and a nice warm blanket feeling. Guessing it doesn't last as long, typical with toots, we shall see!

One surprising neg, def noticed my lungs did not like it, even this super small amount (less than the size of a pea), used inhaler afterwards...that's kinda a bummer
 
pezoholic said:
Holy smokes took a decade plus break from BL, glad to see it's still kicking...came to search about insuff of 7oh and came across this, prob old and dead but thought I'd throw my hat in the ring.

Got some 94% pure 7OH and took some toots. EXTREMELY fast onset, like 2-3min tops. Very speedy and hits hard, I really like it. Man I see how it could get dangerous, super small pure doses (took x2 25-35mg toots), clean and it got me feeling great. Got a huge energy boost, heavy eye lids and a nice warm blanket feeling. Guessing it doesn't last as long, typical with toots, we shall see!

One surprising neg, def noticed my lungs did not like it, even this super small amount (less than the size of a pea), used inhaler afterwards...that's kinda a bummer
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Interesting, I had a virtually identical experience but without any noticeable respiratory issues. Tried smoking it yet?
 
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