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25D-NBOH HCl ~90 μg intranasal, numbing in nostril which it was applied to, cleared other nostril. No definitive mental effects, heartrate normal even when exercising. Perhaps a smidge less tired and a smidge more dreamy, ± at most. Probably overall sub-threshold.

Had a change of heart with the NBOx. Will quit experimentation at the first notice of adverse effects or when I reached a sparkly museum dose. I have found 2 reports of clandestine synthesis, but no bioassays of this compound. If someone already experimented with this compound or knows somebody who has, please contact.
 
25D-NBOH HCl ~90 μg intranasal, numbing in nostril which it was applied to, cleared other nostril. No definitive mental effects, heartrate normal even when exercising. Perhaps a smidge less tired and a smidge more dreamy, ± at most. Probably overall sub-threshold.

Had a change of heart with the NBOx. Will quit experimentation at the first notice of adverse effects or when I reached a sparkly museum dose. I have found 2 reports of clandestine synthesis, but no bioassays of this compound. If someone already experimented with this compound or knows somebody who has, please contact.
I've never been fortunate enough to encounter 25D-NBXX's before, but I'd assume just based on reports that it's noticeably weaker than other homologs with different 4-substitutions.
 
2g of coca feeling overwhelming must've been some heady shit, my highest dose of coca tea was 125g. It led to some later ruckus as far as compulsively dosing a bunch of ephedra sinica and psilocybin containing fungi, a very long but fun day being Portland's local weirdo goosestep powerwalking through town with nowhere to be and nothing to do.

The 2g chewed coca leaf tea wasn't overwhelming at all, it just felt like more than necessary most of the time. I didn't really use coca to get high. I preferred weed and psychedelics for that. I mostly used coca to increase wakefulness, relieve some of the burden of heavy labor, and/or increase mental concentration. I liked how chewed coca gave full spectrum stimulant effects but faded quickly enough to not get in the way of things or cause health problems. It kept me awake for about 4 hours, and then I could sleep if I wanted. I didn't crash and continued to feel mild stimulation and increased wakefulness until at least T+7, or else I could re-dose at T+4 hours, which produced a slightly stronger peak than the first dose. A chew suppressed by appetite for about 2 hours, so I could easily eat before re-dosing if I wanted. I also drank plenty of brewed coca tea, often in combination with chewing. The effects were similar to chewed between T+4 to T+7, except lasting much longer.

Anyway, I only used coca regularly for a couple years or so, during part of which I was working as a commercial vehicle driver on difficult schedules including some split shifts. I could chew 1g to get me through the 4 hours, then drive home and sleep (or just sleep in my car), wake up and chew another 1g and/or drink 2-4g of tea to get moving again for the second part of the split shift. I tended to use it on work days and then stayed off it on the weekends without any crashes or withdrawals. After those two years, I started school full-time and reached a point where I didn't really feel like I needed stims to stay awake. I could pull an all-nighter studying no problem without taking anything. I did use coca for a handful of difficult exams which worked well, whereas caffeine in any amount felt too uncontrolled and actually decreased my performance.

The stimulation of DOC reminded me more of LSD, whereas DOB and DOM reminded me more of mescaline. DOC's stimulation is less intense than either of the other two, and DOC feels easier to "steer" a certain direction, if that makes sense to the other psychedelic users out there.

Interesting. I've never had any problem with stimulation from either mescaline or LSD including fairly big doses. I assume these are very different from methamphetamine though, assuming DOM is more like meth than mescaline. I find most psychedelic phenethylamines I've tried to be stimulating including many favorites like 2C-E and 2C-T-2. One I used a lot of during the coca days was 2C-I, which definitely felt a lot more stimulating than the coca I was using.

That said, at least one PIHKAL comment (maybe by Shulgin) suggests that the DOX lack certain graces that the 2C-X tend to have. It seems like a lot of other people out there echo these sentiments, but it's not quite clear to me where the differences lie. Are DOX more stimulating than 2C-X, including stuff like 2C-I? Or does the stimulation have a certain harsh quality to it? I guess I'll have to make up my own mind after I get around to trying them. Opinions vary widely on psychedelics anyway.

As far as the drug wearing off, I'd argue that DOx's in general have a kind of asymptotic arc of tapering down but never quite leaving, it reminds me a lot of other more impactful psychedelics in that way. I came back from the trip but I'm never quite the same due to the way I grew over the experience, you know?

Maybe. I mean ayahuasca+DMT can be profoundly impactful to me, yet its primary effects tend to fade very rapidly once it starts wearing off. Of course pretty much all psychedelics leave me with a long-lasting afterglow, but that is quite distinct from the primary effects. I don't really know what happened with that mini DOC dose, so I guess I'll just have to try it again to find out if it was just a fluke or something. I do have diazepam handy if need be.
 
25D-NBOH HCl ~90 μg intranasal, numbing in nostril which it was applied to, cleared other nostril. No definitive mental effects, heartrate normal even when exercising. Perhaps a smidge less tired and a smidge more dreamy, ± at most. Probably overall sub-threshold.

Had a change of heart with the NBOx. Will quit experimentation at the first notice of adverse effects or when I reached a sparkly museum dose. I have found 2 reports of clandestine synthesis, but no bioassays of this compound. If someone already experimented with this compound or knows somebody who has, please contact.
Second experiment yesterday (2 days later, possible tolerance!):
Applied 2.5 sprays (i.e. ~ 220 µg, it did not feel like the first application was "complete"). Felt a little bit, but not much, so added 90 µg 45 min later. Headspace relatively clear, maybe a bit pleasant, while simultaneously feeling a bit fried. Music appreciation increased, sounds a bit nicer. Pulse normal. Heart feels strained nevertheless, like when doing too much stimulants. Body feels a bit weird, but hard to put into words. Muscles a bit tight, trying to stretch. No visuals, except for perhaps a bit of drifting and dirt in the apartment looking more apparent. Noticeably, veins got thinner (otherwise I'm very vascular). A bit of feeling of numbing in my left pinky finger. Added another 90 µg ca. 40 min after the first redose, but no visuals appeared and the state remained at that. Approximately 4 h before headspace back to normal, hard to quantify. Heart/chest area still feels "strained" afterwards. I did not measure bp. Total amount ingested nasally approximately 400 µg over 1.5 h. Shulgin +1.5, maybe ++.

Meh, maybe I'll try again at a similar dose less staggered, but I think I'm just too anxious for this class of compounds. And I did not find anything worthwhile or promising in the state. Why risk it when I have so many other great compounds to choose from. Anyways, was worth a shot. But I don't want to risk another 2 years of uncomfortable/bad trips due to being traumatised again. I'd guess at a higher dose someone who is more open for NBOH/NBOMes may have a better time.
 
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I can't blame you for being anxious. I don't think I'd try any NBXX even if they were available to me. I assume you yourself can access a number of other 2C-X type things? Why not try more of those? If you like stimulating things, you might like 2C-I for example. That one is incredibly visual for me at 20+ mg.
 
I can't blame you for being anxious. I don't think I'd try any NBXX even if they were available to me. I assume you yourself can access a number of other 2C-X type things? Why not try more of those? If you like stimulating things, you might like 2C-I for example. That one is incredibly visual for me at 20+ mg.
So here is the thing: my one 25E-NBOH ended terribly and affected my trips negatively for a long time. Yet the first half of it was so euphoric and colourful, I couldn't help but wonder if it was possible to wield that power a little more controlled and safe. Yes, it was that great. I had hopes that 25D-NBOH could be similar while also being named slightly different to remove some of the (well earned) stigma that 25E-NBOH had in my mind.

But I think I've forgotten the main lesson I learned on that day (and the period afterwards): there ain't such a thing as a free lunch, everything comes with a certain price to pay. And it seems safer to buy flashy neon-euphoria with a little bodyload or headspace upfront than compromise my safety.

2C-I is certainly on the list of drugs to try. If it is in PiHKAL (and time and motivation plenty), I can get it. Not every compound but any. Of course 2C-I will need to be tried, alone for the sake of completing the halo trio.
 
Well, 2C-EF does seem to be a gem. I finally got around to trialing it today, and it was a true stunner. Good god does it ever have legs, though. An estimated 5mg rectally is still going at a strong + after ten hours. I look forward to trying it again, but next time I won't wait until the afternoon to dose. During the first half of the trip, I wished it was twice as strong. During the last half, I wished it was over. Hyperbole to be sure, but I'm going to have to find a way to shovel adequate calories into me beforehand somehow to fuel me, much like I do for mescaline and friends.
 
NBXX compounds for me are similar, they're some of the most euphoric, beautiful, often life-changing compounds, but the hangover is absolutely savage.
I'm kinda jealous. I've never had much more than surface level psychedelia. They can be a ton of fun and I have a few memorable trips but I've never gotten anything in the way of introspection. Never got to try 25c-NBOMe or 25d-NBOMe which sounded like the best of the bunch. I'd try those if I came across them for sure. I had some fun times with 25i. 25e did hardly anything for me and 2 out of 3 or 4 25b trips that I've had had some difficult moments that were hard to pull out of so I wrote it off despite it having some good reports on it
 
And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts, that if one were to make the two-carbon analog 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(2-fluoroethyl)-phenethylamine, it would be every bit as much a treasure and ally as is 2C-B or 2C-I. In fact, I am sure enough about this prediction that I am willing to name the stuff 2C-EF. It will be easily made from 2C-B by the same reaction scheme that was used above for DOEF. And I will even guess that its activity level will be in the 20-30 milligram area.

--- Sasha Shulgin in PHIKAL
 
I'm kinda jealous. I've never had much more than surface level psychedelia. They can be a ton of fun and I have a few memorable trips but I've never gotten anything in the way of introspection. Never got to try 25c-NBOMe or 25d-NBOMe which sounded like the best of the bunch. I'd try those if I came across them for sure. I had some fun times with 25i. 25e did hardly anything for me and 2 out of 3 or 4 25b trips that I've had had some difficult moments that were hard to pull out of so I wrote it off despite it having some good reports on it
25C-NBOMe is by far the most magical I've experienced, and 25I-NBOMe/25B-NBOH are interesting but not quite as "mystical" or "magical" feeling if that makes sense. A close friend of mine considers 25B-NBOH to be his favorite empathogen, which I find fascinating. I've only tried the three I just mentioned, but I'd try every NBOMe/NBOH/NBMD I could access tbh haha. They're just quite rare nowadays and I started using psychedelics in 2021, so I kind of missed the NBXX wave that really blew up a decade or so ago.
 
I'm terrified of them tbh, I had around a gram of 25i that I got for real cheap in like 2014 but then at around the same time I got I started reading about the related deaths and got too spooked to try them. I do think I unknowingly took one of them sold as acid before I knew better, and quite frankly it was a gorgeous experience, but cant really be sure if it was one, or which one of them was.
 
I had 15 mg 2C-T-2 today with my wife who also had 15 mg. It was my first +++ trip since I had 12.5 mg of 2C-E last October. That trip had been marred by strong symptoms of topical corticosteroid withdraw. I still have some TSW symptoms, but fortunately they are milder and didn't get in the way of today's trip.

The 2C-T-2 felt mostly smooth on the body, and the trip was very nice with the typical long introspective climb followed by a tremendously euphoric descent. I did have some mild neuromuscular "body load" which peaked around 2 hours in, but this wasn't especially bothersome. I managed to get a lot of interesting visuals including some mild OEVs like wavy curtains, but they were a bit subtle. The music enhancement was also noted, particularly at around T+3 when the playlist switched to the Led Zepplin my wife had requested. I'm a bit sad I could not fulfill her request to watch a concert movie, but the weather was beautiful and we spent most of the late trip walking around the neighborhood instead. The visual enhancements and OEVs while outside were excellent. I do think I'll try 18 mg next time.

This essentially completes my titrated trials of all my favorite phenethylamines from the past. I took 11 years off from psychedelics, and when I restarted, I felt very unhealthy from long-term post-COVID type problems. As such, I was very shy about taking full doses of anything since I didn't know the condition of my body and was getting some weird/alarming physical symptoms during some of the trips. Thankfully I had no such symptoms during this trip. I decided that once I'd proven myself able to tolerate (+++) level doses of "standard" things like 2C-E, 2C-I, and 2C-T-2, I'd be ready to maybe start experimenting with some stuff I haven't tried.

So where to from here? Well, I think I'm going to try 2C-P for my first time. I also have a couple different kinds of mushrooms to try. Mushrooms are not my favorite, but there was a time in my life in which I had a pretty much unlimited supply of them and not much else. They also give a short trip and are easier to fit into one's schedule. Maybe if I try a few different strains/variants I'll find something that doesn't feel so heavy to my body as those old Equadorians. Maybe. I'm also going to trip with my wife again fairly soon, and I encourage her to choose the substance because she doesn't trip as often.
 
Glad it went well for you. I'm still procrastinating on my full dose 2C-T-2 trip. And to make things "worse", I now have a little bit of 2C-I available to me too. Haven't tried it yet, but I hope it's what I think - a little more deeper, longer 2C-B-ish compound. So many drugs, so little motivation to trip all the time. I still need to titrate up the DOT too...
 
I had a lot of 2C-I before I was able to try 2C-B, so when I finally tried 2C-B I was disappointed because I was expecting a kind of lighter, shorter version of 2C-I. They really are quite distinct, and I now appreciate 2C-B on its own terms.

IMO, 2C-I is less entactogenic and quite a bit more stimulating. Like other 2C-halogens, it provides a mostly clear headspace. When I was younger, I used it several times at parties and club-like settings. At medium-to-high doses, it gets intensely visual and can deliver some impressive OEVs. I think the stimulation is quite apparent even at very low doses, but it doesn't seem to increase as much with dose as the psychedelic effects. Keep this in mind while titrating.
 
Hey, everyone! I hope you're all doing well as always. I've been very busy with life off the internet but I'm enjoying it and happy with the way things are going. I'd like to be around more if I can and get back to some of the conversations I've left hanging, that's what I'll be attempting to do soon. But I hope you all are doing great and continue to either way. I miss you guys. ☮️

I did just post a trip report and wanted to come here to shamelessly promote it. It's the first report I've written about oral CBN, although even more so it's about how oral CBN mixed with smoked salvia, and also with smoked high-THC cannabis. It was a really fun and exciting one to experience and I'm looking forward to doing more in the future.

(CBN/40 mg oral, Salvia divinorum/3 hits smoked, High-THC Cannabis/3 hits smoked) - New Combo - "Why Have You Come Here?"

I spent all day writing it and have to get ready for work now but happy tripping to everyone as always!!
 
During the first half of the trip, I wished it was twice as strong. During the last half, I wished it was over
Sounds like DOB for me haha.
I think the stimulation is quite apparent even at very low doses, but it doesn't seem to increase as much with dose as the psychedelic effects
I am going to respectfully disagree. IME the stimulation increases with dose. 22mg had my skin crawling, and at 12 hour point, I was exhausted but couldn't sleep. My CEV's were brighter than me looking at things with my eyes open, so I'm pretty sure when I did eventually fall asleep my eyes were open.

15mg was still quite stimulating, not nearly as visual. 5mg (+10mg 2c-B) pretty much zero stimulation and it wildly impacts the 2c-b visuals.
 
I am going to respectfully disagree. IME the stimulation increases with dose. 22mg had my skin crawling, and at 12 hour point, I was exhausted but couldn't sleep. My CEV's were brighter than me looking at things with my eyes open, so I'm pretty sure when I did eventually fall asleep my eyes were open.

15mg was still quite stimulating, not nearly as visual. 5mg (+10mg 2c-B) pretty much zero stimulation and it wildly impacts the 2c-b visuals.

(We're talking about 2C-I here.)

I've taken 2C-I a few times in the 3-6 mg range, and I find it to be quite stimulating. Your 5 mg 2C-I trial may have been tempered by the 2C-B. Drug interactions are complicated. Try just 5 mg 2C-I some time and tell me what you think.

For me it's the most stimmy of any psychedelic I've had at an equivalent psychedelic intensity level, if that makes sense. That includes several tryptamines, many 2C-X, and mescaline. At the same time I've taken it up to 25 mg. At that level, the visuals are seriously wild. Even at 20 mg they are impressive, and the body is a bit more comfortable overall. While I notice residual effects into the next day, I've usually been able to sleep okay by 8-10 hours in, and larger doses didn't seem to extend the duration. I guess our metabolisms differ in this regard.
 
We're talking about 2C-I here.)
Yeah I am too, sorry if it wasn't clear. I did mention comboing it 2C-B as well..
I have taken 5mg alone, and in conjunction with 2C-B. 22mg was my highest dose and it was just a bit too much. At more reasonable doses it's one of my favorite psychedelics though.

2C-E I find pretty darn stimulating as well but in a different way, i don't think I'd like too much physical activity. DOM and DOB too but they are more physically active. I actually find DOM pretty speedy for most of the trip, sitting still is near impossible even low dose (500mcg)
 
Whereas stimulation seems to be a characteristic of 2C-I , I think 2C-E is just fiercely psychedelic and can manifest a variety of physical symptoms depending on ones mental state. At very low doses, I actually find 2C-E to be rather dreamy, in total contrast to 2C-I. I had a 20 mg (max dose for me) 2C-E trip in which I felt intense surges of energy that compelled me to move very vigorously. On my other 20 mg trip, I basically just snuggled on the floor until the peak was over. I also had an 18 mg beach trip in which I just laid in the sand all day, crawling between sunned and shaded areas as needed to find a comfortable temperature. For my most recent trip on 12.5 mg, I went on a hike which IIRC involved around 1.5k ft of elevation gain and at a significantly higher elevation than I'm used to. I also smoked some cannabis. Overall, I felt quite good and maintained a strong steady pace. I was certainly much more comfortable hiking outside than I was riding in the car up to the trailhead and back.
 
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