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2C-T-2 is one I've wanted to try for a really long time. Out of the psychedelic phens I got to try, 2C-P and 2C-E have been my favorites, and I've seen the 2C-T-X being compared to those before.

Alas, its a shame that the 2C-X have become so hard to come by these days.

P.S: yeah, magnesium has worked wonders to me for drug induced muscle stiffness. As to why it happens in the first place, I've always chalked it up to adrenergic activation and psychological overstimulation. Even if you are having the time of your life, overstimulation can tense you up some.
 
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2C-T-2 is one I've wanted to try for a really long time. Out of the psychedelic phens I got to try, 2C-P and 2C-E have been my favorites, and I've seen the 2C-T-X being compared to those before.

Alas, its a shame that the 2C-X have become so hard to come by these days.

P.S: yeah, magnesium has worked wonders to me for drug induced muscle stiffness. As to why it happens in the first place, I've always chalked it up to adrenergic activation and psychological overstimulation. Even if you are having the time of your life, overstimulation can tense you up some.
I believe that the reason magnesium helps is the size of the ion and how easily and efficiently it moves through the muscle's interior operation as an ion exchange pump mechanism. Potassium is smaller than sodium, but larger than magnesium. Muscles are basically ion exchange pumps that change length and exerts physical movement accordingly. Most people have an overabundance of sodium due to it being common in table salt.

I've been using this as a treatment whenever I get cramps etc. in my muscles since the 70's when a friend who was a biochemistry researcher suggested this to me, not just for drug related cramps but anytime I get sharp cramps, particularly in my calf muscles.
 
Ah, sorry, when i said "as to why it happens in the first place" I meant the drug induced muscle stiffness, not the magnesium induced relief heh. But yeah Mg is useful for all sorts of stuff, from bruxism to apparently even sleep issues. I think its mechanism of action has more to do with calcium homeostasis rather than K/Na. Ca2+ is the ion responsible for muscle contraction.
 
You guys told me snorting 2c-b would be terrible, but it's honestly not that bad. I took a bit off the tip of the spatula (so around 5-6 mg) and am definitely feeling some effects already 15 minutes in.
Gonna be playing Oblivion Remastered and doing extra bumps as needed for extra immersion.
Dose matters. Most of the horror stories are 10mg+. I'm generally fine with 3-4 of the HBr salt. Put that shit into a saline spray, and it's agony. I don't snort the crystals up into my sinuses either. I just have a little toot. Still can cause crustiness, next day soreness, and (rarely) bleeding.
 
Chelated magnesium is never leaving my go-bag for psychedelics. It has no negative impact on the trip, and it really helps with muscle/jaw tension and can even help with gas cramps.
 
Dose matters. Most of the horror stories are 10mg+. I'm generally fine with 3-4 of the HBr salt. Put that shit into a saline spray, and it's agony. I don't snort the crystals up into my sinuses either. I just have a little toot. Still can cause crustiness, next day soreness, and (rarely) bleeding.
Hmm, I actually sprayed a bit of a salty water into my nose to hopefully reduce the unpleasant sensations and improve absorption. It did sting for a while, but nothing terrible happened. I actually very rarely insuffiate drugs but honestly I liked 2CB more this way. No stomach issues, thank gods!
 
and can even help with gas cramps.
Gas cramps are the worst side effect I’ve experienced on any and all psychedelics. Curious about using magnesium now. What for do you use? I’ve taken citrate of course but that’s to clear you out before a colonoscopy or when things just won’t move down there.
 
Gas cramps are the worst side effect I’ve experienced on any and all psychedelics. Curious about using magnesium now. What for do you use? I’ve taken citrate of course but that’s to clear you out before a colonoscopy or when things just won’t move down there.
You need chelated magnesium, citrates have poor absorption and can cause stomach irritation
 
Gas cramps are the worst side effect I’ve experienced on any and all psychedelics. Curious about using magnesium now. What for do you use? I’ve taken citrate of course but that’s to clear you out before a colonoscopy or when things just won’t move down there.
I use malate (which actually isn't chelated.) I have never noticed stool softening even at high doses, so that would indicate reasonably good adsorption I would think. I imagine glycinate would be better better absorbed, but the literature is a swamp.
 
Hmm, I actually sprayed a bit of a salty water into my nose to hopefully reduce the unpleasant sensations and improve absorption. It did sting for a while, but nothing terrible happened. I actually very rarely insuffiate drugs but honestly I liked 2CB more this way. No stomach issues, thank gods!
Yep! I've pretreated with plain saline for absorption, and that's been fine. It was the 2C-B saline spray that was excruciating. And part of me wonders if that might just come down to the drug getting pushed higher up in my sinuses than it would with me gently insufflating the powder.
 
I wonder if some Mg would help you. If your diet is otherwise lacking in it, it might make all the difference. Some people take it before trips to try to reduce tension problems. Another thing is to try (carefully) stretching. Yet another is to try to keep moving. For example, walking or dancing with long flowing motions. I also like to bob and bounce up and down a bit while on my feet. It feels natural to do so. I understand that the lymph system drains passively, and these motions can facilitate this flow.

Anyway, I'm definitely looking to do a full 15 mg dose of 2C-T-2 soon. Admittedly though, I'm thinking about other things too. I want to start tasting 2C-P. I've wanted to try it since I came to like 2C-E so much. It's also the next on on my ladder before I get to DOC and DOM some day eventually. Meanwhile, I'm starting to experiment with psilocybin mushrooms again, even though I'd kind of gotten away from them after I discovered how much I liked phenethylamines. One thing I like about shrooms is the short duration and reliable supply, and while I find bigger doses a bit overwhelming, I've had some great trips on smaller amounts.
Yes, magnesium does help with tension and bodyload a little but at least during the first few experiences, I'd like to experience the compound without any supplements just to see what it does, including bodyload. I tried stretching during the 2C-T-2 but it did not really help. But once it settled into the nicer part, the tension was lifted from me.

I might get around to tasting 2C-P this year too. Well, depends which plans I follow through with first. I don't like the long duration and hope that it really is milder than 2C-E at an appropriate dose. 10 h+ of 2C-E is frankly too much for me.
 
One thing I like about shrooms is the short duration and reliable supply
This is the particular reason I hold onto mushrooms so intensely, I'm glad others have found reliable supplies of them.
DOC and DOM
These are two beautiful (though highly stimulating) drugs. As far as phenethylamines go, so far I've come upon DOM, DOB, DOC, 2C-B, mescaline, allylescaline, 25B-NBOH, 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, MDA, MDMA, 6-APB, amphetamine & methamphetamine as far as phenethylamines go, in a broad sense. DOM feels like if methamphetamine was a psychedelic and took 4 full hours to come up (like mescaline, in that way). I've pushed DOM far many times, and have had many friends repulsed off even a small dose, idrk why. My fiance @Felidaez cooked an absolutely banging thanksgiving dinner on 10mg of DOM, but most people seem to cap ~5-7.5mg. I pushed it up to 45mg once, and while I'd advise most psychonauts not exceed 20mg or so, I find DOM to be a stimulant until you hit ~15mg, personally. DOC I only had a small amount of (was buying DOM crystals by the gram) but DOC felt like acid, mescaline, and 2C-B were all mixed up by some esoteric wizard or something. It was truly stunning and beautiful, especially in concert with 3-HO-PCP.
 
DOC felt like acid, mescaline, and 2C-B were all mixed up by some esoteric wizard or something. It was truly stunning and beautiful
Lol, well put! 😆 It's so hard to characterize, but I like where you're going with it. I also think that it's a lovely material. I was too spooked to try it for years, but I've revisited it several times now. Always lovely. I think it occupies the spot in my toolbox that LSD does for most psychedelic enthusiasts.
 
These are two beautiful (though highly stimulating) drugs. As far as phenethylamines go, so far I've come upon DOM, DOB, DOC, 2C-B, mescaline, allylescaline, 25B-NBOH, 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, MDA, MDMA, 6-APB, amphetamine & methamphetamine as far as phenethylamines go, in a broad sense. DOM feels like if methamphetamine was a psychedelic and took 4 full hours to come up (like mescaline, in that way).

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I'm basically a stimulant virgin and have never had an amphetamine. I don't like caffeine except for dark chocolate. The one thing I did like was coca tea. It tasted great and had a very nice warm, focused, stamina boosting effect. I also chewed 1g of tea leaf for a stronger effect. I tried 2g chewed at once a couple times, and it seemed stronger than necessary. I think mescaline and 2C-I are quite stimulating---the latter more than the former. I'm guessing these things are pretty mild compared to methamphetamine and maybe DOM then. I guess I'll see how I get along with it when I get there.

DOC I only had a small amount of (was buying DOM crystals by the gram) but DOC felt like acid, mescaline, and 2C-B were all mixed up by some esoteric wizard or something. It was truly stunning and beautiful, especially in concert with 3-HO-PCP.

Holy shit man! Mescaline and LSD are fantastic together on their own, and then you throw in a 2C-B like quality too? And the DOC lasts for 24 hours? Would you say the stimulation is mescaline or LSD like? Or stronger, more like DOM?

I actually tried a tester dose of IIRC 250ug DOC many years back. I definitely felt it and I had a very energetic day of deep cleaning my kitchen, but then it just seemed to never wear off---for like days. It also felt a bit grungy in the tail, but who knows. I need to give it another shot some day. I just have too many new things to try, and most of the new stuff is very long duration.
 
You guys really selling me on that DOC right now... If it wasn't for the long trip, I don't like setting aside quite so much time 😅
 
I don't mind a long trip but am only able to realistically control my setting at night between 10pm and 6am which is a pretty small window for tripping.

I feel like I'll be around 40 when I'm finally at a point in my life that I feel I'll have time (and more importantly, the setting) for experimenting with longer duration drugs like DOC and 2C-P, so I hope my health holds out :confused:
 
This is the particular reason I hold onto mushrooms so intensely, I'm glad others have found reliable supplies of them.

These are two beautiful (though highly stimulating) drugs. As far as phenethylamines go, so far I've come upon DOM, DOB, DOC, 2C-B, mescaline, allylescaline, 25B-NBOH, 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, MDA, MDMA, 6-APB, amphetamine & methamphetamine as far as phenethylamines go, in a broad sense. DOM feels like if methamphetamine was a psychedelic and took 4 full hours to come up (like mescaline, in that way). I've pushed DOM far many times, and have had many friends repulsed off even a small dose, idrk why. My fiance @Felidaez cooked an absolutely banging thanksgiving dinner on 10mg of DOM, but most people seem to cap ~5-7.5mg. I pushed it up to 45mg once, and while I'd advise most psychonauts not exceed 20mg or so, I find DOM to be a stimulant until you hit ~15mg, personally. DOC I only had a small amount of (was buying DOM crystals by the gram) but DOC felt like acid, mescaline, and 2C-B were all mixed up by some esoteric wizard or something. It was truly stunning and beautiful, especially in concert with 3-HO-PCP.
How was DOB?
 
I think it occupies the spot in my toolbox that LSD does for most psychedelic enthusiasts.
I think I even referred to it as "phenethylamine acid" to my fiance, only DOC and 25C-NBOMe have ever received such a description from me.
Holy shit man! Mescaline and LSD are fantastic together on their own, and then you throw in a 2C-B like quality too? And the DOC lasts for 24 hours? Would you say the stimulation is mescaline or LSD like? Or stronger, more like DOM?

I actually tried a tester dose of IIRC 250ug DOC many years back. I definitely felt it and I had a very energetic day of deep cleaning my kitchen, but then it just seemed to never wear off---for like days.
2g of coca feeling overwhelming must've been some heady shit, my highest dose of coca tea was 125g. It led to some later ruckus as far as compulsively dosing a bunch of ephedra sinica and psilocybin containing fungi, a very long but fun day being Portland's local weirdo goosestep powerwalking through town with nowhere to be and nothing to do. The stimulation of DOC reminded me more of LSD, whereas DOB and DOM reminded me more of mescaline. DOC's stimulation is less intense than either of the other two, and DOC feels easier to "steer" a certain direction, if that makes sense to the other psychedelic users out there. As far as the drug wearing off, I'd argue that DOx's in general have a kind of asymptotic arc of tapering down but never quite leaving, it reminds me a lot of other more impactful psychedelics in that way. I came back from the trip but I'm never quite the same due to the way I grew over the experience, you know?

Also have some preferred sedatives set aside as the "tripstopper", so that the residual stimulation doesn't get to you too bad, that's what I do at least. Hit the etizolam nasal sprayer a couple times and chill out.
How was DOB?
DOB's beautiful, I've used it between 750ug to 4.5mg and it's amazing the whole way around. My heart begins to act a fool ~4.5mg though, so that dose is a bit much for me. I'd class it as a psychedelic that's also VERY much a stimulant and empathogen, personally. The same empathogenic bent I feel from MDA, MDMA and 6-APB was perfectly layered on top of a mescaline-like psychedelic. Mescaline's already lovey to begin with, the fact that DOB, 2C-B and 25B-NBOH are even more empathogenic than mescaline makes me wonder if the 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromine substituted phenethylamines are onto something interesting here. I was awake for 3.5-4 full days, with 3 nights in between them, due to having dosed 3mg. I ate maybe twice over this period, could only sleep for a few hours at a time, DOB officially joined the short list of "drugs that fuck up my ability to sleep at will", alongside NEP, bupropion, and 5-MeO-DiPT. I can sleep on amphetamine, meth, molly, anything else, just not those four.

DOB can take so many forms it's almost elusive to describe, laying back in my bed holding my fiance, watching the popcorn ceiling paint some of the most intensely vivid visuals I've ever seen in my life, of a village on a hill resembling a living and breathing oil painting, come to mind. Over time each of the buildings began to manifest a face, limbs, etc. and then they were marching around one another. I watched this village fall into fascism, rearise through the ashes, it was a strange and extended scene to have hallucinated. At one point over this trip, it was stimulating and emotionally empathogenic but not super eventful until I smoked some MDMB-4en-PINACA (inadvisable) and added at least 36-48 hours to the trip. Smoking this was in pursuit of a "spice breakthrough", and it led to one for sure. I had fallen to my knees on the porch where @Felidaez and I were smoking, and I saw briefly as a rainbow-ishly colorful lightning bolt cracked through my vision, that we were surrounded by copies of the Green Man of European mythology, in white robes with black triangles on his face. It reminded me heavily of the film The Void (2016).

DOB overall's an insanely versatile and unique drug, equally as empathogenic and emotionally opening as it is psychedelic and unpredictable. It's highly stimulating, and feels a lot like DOM took
 
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