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Halp me quit a vice

should I first quit?

  • fags

  • beer

  • weed

  • please don't vote weed

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Fegs. They generally bad for you, do very little for you and if you're in UK are ridiculously priced.

Then cut back on the beer. Like drop one beer a week until you're at zero.

Don't see why you should quit weed unless it has negative effect on you? I've generally found it a positive thing though. Don't quit weed unless you know you have to. If weed does make you paranoid though. Stop if before you stop the beer.

Good luck.

BB
 
If you're 40 years old, or getting on for it, the damage that cigs can cause from then on can be irreparable. Even if it can take decades to manifest. (But no matter how old you are it's obviously always beneficial to quit.)

I read that if you quit before the age of 30, the body can completely heal itself to a point as if you'd never smoked. It can take 5 years for this healing process to complete, but it's still astonishing. And if is true, that is fucking amazing imho, what the body can do. It's like you get a free pass to abuse your body for 15 years or so, in the prime of your youth.

(I guess evolution has made our bodies super resilient, and able to withstand all sorts of abuse or punishment, but only up to a point.....)

But the older you are, and the longer the habit has gone on for, the more urgent it becomes to quit. Of course there'll always be the people who smoke well into their old age and remain "as fit as a fiddle", but they are a minority, and smoking will kill 50% of people who carry on past 40, 50, 60 etc.

I know everyone already generally knows all this kind of stuff.

The worst of the nicotine cravings are over within 24 hours, with days 2 and 3 still making themselves known, but not as strongly, but from then on, it gets so much easier. Once most of the nicotine has left your body it breaks the continual cycle of smoke, crave another cig 45 minutes later, and on and on and on :\

It seems logical to me that cigs should be quit first, in view of the harm caused, but i know how alcohol can amplify nicotine cravings, so you might have to quit both for some time, until you're 'out of the woods'.

Unfortunately I've some close to home experience of an Auntie, who was a very heavy smoker, taken by lung cancer in her early to mid 50s, and also my Grandad whose lungs were in a dire state, didnt make it past 62, due to cancer and heart disease. (You should have heard his morning ritual of coughing and hawking fits, Christ it was brutal and sickening! What a way to have to start your days! But even that didn't stop me smoking, fool that I was/am.)

But if you really want to quit these things, it's really not that hard once you get you mind set on it. That is what makes or breaks it without any doubt, and that is 99% of the battle ime.

I found that with cigs anyway, not currently finding that so easy for kratom, as it's serving a very useful purpose for me. It's like coffee, only much better, with the energy and mood uplift, but it's unfortunate that it acts via the opiate receptors though, as that makes dependence and w/d that little bit harder! (Or is that just a convenient excuse I'm making for myself.)
 
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i read an article recently that areas where people are allowed to smoke weed in combination with rehab do better than other groups of people.

weed smoke isn't as harsh as cigarette smoke ime too... i would personally try to give up weed last... i can't really say if alcohol or cigs would have any reason why they'd be easier to quit first... maybe try to gradually cut down on both at the same time?

also a thing some people don't think about when quitting cigarettes, when you light up a cigarette, you don't have to smoke the whole thing... smoking less drags and less drags each time you smoke will gradually ease withdrawls a lot ime.
 
Tobacco seems the most reasonable one to start.
Its easy, for me 1-2-3. No Nicotine patch/ gum,
or stronger a ...-ine agonist to block Nicotine needed ime.
But if, i d advise Cytisine/ TABEX [OTC] or Varenicline [prescription].
Makes Tobacco smoke inactive, so it kills the need to toke.

Why smoking Fag s catalyses other drug use, a start up drug ?
Scientific. It changes the mind, stimulating weird thinking.
Leading to bad choices like drinking/ other dope taking.

You feel the results in no time, can t think of any negative WD.
Then cut down on Booze, space it whatever works, Taper.
Don t switch to something else also addicting. Though,
in comparison Alcohol is ime the worst on the planet.

Only Heroin/ Crack score higher, probably because Meth-Amphetamine.
Is non existent and will hopefully stay that way.
1. Crack-Cocaine
2. Opioid s
3. Alcohol
4. Tobacco
5. Cocaine-HCL

And if it causes you no trouble keep the Cannabis.
Its medical. OK Alcohol too,
as disinfectant/ steriliser and handwash !
 
Yeah smoking kind of becomes heavily linked or ingrained with so many activities or habits. Drinking alcohol, drinking coffee, driving a car, waiting for a bus, making a phone call, listening to music, and so many other things not mentioned also act as 'triggers' or combinations. But I'll never forget how well drinking alcohol or coffee went with smoking a cig.

The main consolation is that not too long after stopping, as your taste buds regain their smoking blunted sensitivities, you can actually properly taste the full flavour of the alcohol or coffee once again.

But yeah I wouldn't drink alcohol for some time after quitting cigs, too strong a chance of triggering cravings, and inhibitions or self control could be lowered too.
 
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Bleaney said:
If you're 40 years old, or getting on for it, the damage that cigs can cause from then on can be irreparable. Even if it can take decades to manifest. (But no matter how old you are it's obviously always beneficial to quit.)

I read that if you quit before the age of 30, the body can completely heal itself to a point as if you'd never smoked. It can take 5 years for this healing process to complete, but it's still astonishing. And if is true, that is fucking amazing imho, what the body can do. It's like you get a free pass to abuse your body for 15 years or so, in the prime of your youth.

(I guess evolution has made our bodies super resilient, and able to withstand all sorts of abuse or punishment, but only up to a point.....)

But the older you are, and the longer the habit has gone on for, the more urgent it becomes to quit. Of course there'll always be the people who smoke well into their old age and remain "as fit as a fiddle", but they are a minority, and smoking will kill 50% of people who carry on past 40, 50, 60 etc.

I know everyone already generally knows all this kind of stuff.

The worst of the nicotine cravings are over within 24 hours, with days 2 and 3 still making themselves known, but not as strongly, but from then on, it gets so much easier. Once most of the nicotine has left your body it breaks the continual cycle of smoke, crave another cig 45 minutes later, and on and on and on :\

It seems logical to me that cigs should be quit first, in view of the harm caused, but i know how alcohol can amplify nicotine cravings, so you might have to quit both for some time, until you're 'out of the woods'.

Unfortunately I've some close to home experience of an Auntie, who was a very heavy smoker, taken by lung cancer in her early to mid 50s, and also my Grandad whose lungs were in a dire state, didnt make it past 62, due to cancer and heart disease. (You should have heard his morning ritual of coughing and hawking fits, Christ it was brutal and sickening! What a way to have to start your days! But even that didn't stop me smoking, fool that I was/am.)

But if you really want to quit these things, it's really not that hard once you get you mind set on it. That is what makes or breaks it without any doubt, and that is 99% of the battle ime.

I found that with cigs anyway, not currently finding that so easy for kratom, as it's serving a very useful purpose for me. It's like coffee, only much better, with the energy and mood uplift, but it's unfortunate that it acts via the opiate receptors though, as that makes dependence and w/d that little bit harder! (Or is that just a convenient excuse I'm making for myself.)
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I'm 40-something now

but I look like a 25 year old from wigan
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Still when a pack Fags is so expensive as imaginable.
Its not that hard i assure you, Alcohol cheaper then Tobacco.
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That was irrelevant in my case.

I could be doing great, smoke-free, for days...and then I have a couple of drinks and I suddenly crave cigarettes and have zero willpower to resist the urge.
That's just me.

Fortunately it's no longer an issue.
I neither drink nor smoke, and I don't miss either.

PS-- But yeah, I absolutely had to quit drinking before I could really address any other issues.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Good luck mate!

I found that giving up crack and heroin was way easier than sacking the fags.
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Never used heroine or Crack, but physical addiction to Alcohol is monster.
3 weeks WD s till you start feeling a bit better, did this twice.

according to a ex-drinker my luck in my youth i never drunk.
Started real late in live. And it only became a problem 6 years ago.
The last 3 lots of Booze, still not learned to just stop.

But realised going on was also not real wise, as the medical establishment is 200 years behind. Hence a 90 % relapse in DETOX.
 
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