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Does kratom withdrawal feel terrible for anybody else?

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Okiv99

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I've withdrawn off alcohol to the point I had seizures. Benzos (luckily no seizures) but extreme panic attacks, sweating, audial hallucinations. Both those experiences were miserable but for some reason kratom withdrawal and the level of depression I reach is just beyond any other withdrawal. Admittedly I would take mega doses of 30 grams at once (about every 15 hours) and basically nod out even though its supposed to be a weak opiate but I read of other people who say they took kratom and even at high doses the withdrawals were nothing.
 
Same boat. I used to take 15-30g a day and there were times I would take a whole 60g bottle in a single day (not very proud of that one). Completely clean off it now but the withdrawals are incredibly difficult, to me its less like your body is physically shutting down and you are dying like benzos, instead you are constantly reminded of the fact that you are not high and the only way you can feel good is with opioids, its like the emptiest feeling of complete anhedonia. Worst part is it still feels like it hasnt gone away, and that maybe there was no withdrawal, I just got too used to being high on kratom all the time...
 
chris_p said:
Same boat. I used to take 15-30g a day and there were times I would take a whole 60g bottle in a single day (not very proud of that one). Completely clean off it now but the withdrawals are incredibly difficult, to me its less like your body is physically shutting down and you are dying like benzos, instead you are constantly reminded of the fact that you are not high and the only way you can feel good is with opioids, its like the emptiest feeling of complete anhedonia. Worst part is it still feels like it hasnt gone away, and that maybe there was no withdrawal, I just got too used to being high on kratom all the time...
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Yeah its a different feeling in terms of the anxiety isnt so bad but the depression and then long term anhedonia is just terrible. Even when I felt awful coming off benzos and alcohol in the back of my mind I could atleast find a small bit of optimism somewhere. I read kratom works on opiate receptors but also a bunch of others so I wonder if thats why we experience it so bad at these high doses.
 
It’s why I can’t get off the stuff. 8 years of daily dosing.

Think I’m gonna do an extremely short, 1-2 weeks sub taper to see if that helps me.

I know some people freak out about subs, but I don’t plan on staying on them. Just a couple
weeks of 1st or .5mg tapering.

I cannot taper kratom.
 
intergalacticBG said:
It’s why I can’t get off the stuff. 8 years of daily dosing.

Think I’m gonna do an extremely short, 1-2 weeks sub taper to see if that helps me.

I know some people freak out about subs, but I don’t plan on staying on them. Just a couple
weeks of 1st or .5mg tapering.

I cannot taper kratom.
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Yeah I wonder if you could bridge the days to lower your tolerance that way. Say you have 2 days without kratom but take pregabalin to lower sides and then take kratom at the lower dose (tolerance drops extremely quick in my experience). When my habit was at its worse (a couple years of heavy doses) I had to just bite the bullet and be miserable for months.

If you can lower your tolerance and/or find some safe method that allows you to take off days you can slowly reduce like that then jump off. I also found immodium helped with some withdrawals when I had used for shorter spans but that is quite risky and cant really be used for long withdrawals.

Hopefully your sub taper helps I have no experience with that drug so cant comment on that.
 
Okiv99 said:
Yeah its a different feeling in terms of the anxiety isnt so bad but the depression and then long term anhedonia is just terrible. Even when I felt awful coming off benzos and alcohol in the back of my mind I could atleast find a small bit of optimism somewhere. I read kratom works on opiate receptors but also a bunch of others so I wonder if thats why we experience it so bad at these high doses.
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You gotta keep in mind kratom has 30 some active alkaloids all hitting different parts of your brain. Kratom is an opioid, dissassociative, it hits serotonin, I believe it hits gaba receptors too but I haven't seen actual proof of that just a feeling I have, It's a NDMA agonist I believe as well. It's a very hard thing to withdraw from imo and I full heartedly believe anyone at a substantial dose that says they don't get withdraws is lying so the drug doesn't get looked at weird and potentially banned. I'd rather wd off of H tbh, it's more intense in some aspects but the mental mind fuck of kratom and the restlessness is worse imo.
 
pseudo indoxyl + 7-hydroxymitragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine will start getting banned soon. It is too strong to be sold legally without regulation.

I am extremely dependent on Roxicodone and Methadone, the minimum daily MME to meet my physical dependence is 405 MME. That is not covering great pain control.5

After trying pseudo indoxyl + 7-hydroxymitragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine, I determined it would take 420-475mg of either one for the same daily physical dependence.

With that being said and coming from someone in pain management for 40 years, pseudo indoxyl + 7-hydroxymitragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine are every bit as strong as morphine and they have a faster onset. For some people, they are stronger than morphine.

They other issue is the products are sold every 2-4 miles at smoke shops and the plug's unreliable schedule is removed. These two factors alone increase the addictive nature.
 
Them Witches said:
pseudo indoxyl + 7-hydroxymitragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine will start getting banned soon. It is too strong to be sold legally without regulation.

I am extremely dependent on Roxicodone and Methadone, the minimum daily MME to meet my physical dependence is 405 MME. That is not covering great pain control.5

After trying pseudo indoxyl + 7-hydroxymitragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine, I determined it would take 420-475mg of either one for the same daily physical dependence.

With that being said and coming from someone in pain management for 40 years, pseudo indoxyl + 7-hydroxymitragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine are every bit as strong as morphine and they have a faster onset. For some people, they are stronger than morphine.

They other issue is the products are sold every 2-4 miles at smoke shops and the plug's unreliable schedule is removed. These two factors alone increase the addictive nature.
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Not to mention the incredibly short lived nature of 7oh and pseudo making it very morish. I worked my way up to about a gram a day in less than a month. Both substances will more than likely get kratom itself banned in most places.
 
Kurt Cobain said:
You gotta keep in mind kratom has 30 some active alkaloids all hitting different parts of your brain. Kratom is an opioid, dissassociative, it hits serotonin, I believe it hits gaba receptors too but I haven't seen actual proof of that just a feeling I have, It's a NDMA agonist I believe as well. It's a very hard thing to withdraw from imo and I full heartedly believe anyone at a substantial dose that says they don't get withdraws is lying so the drug doesn't get looked at weird and potentially banned. I'd rather wd off of H tbh, it's more intense in some aspects but the mental mind fuck of kratom and the restlessness is worse imo.
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That being said you don't see people robbing vape shops for kratom so it has that going for it. It's a mild drug itself the wd just sucks due to everything you're coming off of at once
 
Buying a case (10qty) online the 80mg packs of Opia are $20 per pack. The smoke shops are making $10-12 profit per pack.

The half-life of pseudo indoxyl + 7-hydroxymitragynine & 7-hydroxymitragynine 7-39hrs. That makes gauging the entire length of the withdrawals difficult
 
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The only, but strong withdrawal symptom I had was RLS. Horrible RLS every time I closed my eyes. Pramipexole helped me, as do dissociatives. I had been using around 25g per day for 3 months.
 
Kurt Cobain said:
Not to mention the incredibly short lived nature of 7oh and pseudo making it very morish. I worked my way up to about a gram a day in less than a month. Both substances will more than likely get kratom itself banned in most places.
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Yeah it will be banned for sure. Its being pushed now in the fitness/weight lifting community as just a supplement to take for the gym aswell. The same way bodybuilders used to take nubain another opiate/opioid.
 
Fortunately, I never fucked with the extracts but I had a 50g/day kratom habit for about four years.

I've slowly tapered down to 15g/day but it's been a lot harder than I thought it would be. I'm really struggling to go below that amount.
 
jasperkent said:
Fortunately, I never fucked with the extracts but I had a 50g/day kratom habit for about four years.

I've slowly tapered down to 15g/day but it's been a lot harder than I thought it would be. I'm really struggling to go below that amount.
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I dont mean to sound preachy, but 50 grams a day is WAY too much!!.

I dont take more than 12 grams a day.
3 grams per dose spaced over 4 hours or so is my daily regiment
 
jasperkent said:
That sounds reasonable. I originally got on it to kick an oxycodone habit and it was like a wonder drug to me-- I liked it a bit too much.
I was taking 10g doses 5 times a day
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Its a wonder drug for me too.
I had a bad tylenol #3 habit for many years.
Kratom works best when I take less, instead of more.
3 grams per dose seems to be the magic sweet spot
 
Does anyone else think a short term suboxone taper could help getting off kratom?

I’ve been on it for 8-9 years daily and I can’t do it. Maybe I’m a weak little shit, but I can’t.

EDIT: I’m gonna do it. A really cool dude on here is gonna help me with this process.

I just can’t get off of this stuff. It’s seemingly benign, but it can dig its claws in you.
 
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