Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Amanita Mushrooms Thread

[StaviaLove]

The dosage issue is certainly true... in my case I took around 8 grams yesterday, expecting a drunkie + sedative effect to sleep soundly and I found a crazy energetic infinite time loop that lasted hours and I couldn't surpass, well, in fact I surpass it 3 times, but it came back until I finally got some sleep, crazy experience to be honest, it was worthy, it wasn't nightmarish, but it was hard to realize I had 0 control over the loop and my mind was working on his own into total insanity... difficult to grasp how weak we actually are (chemicals dancing). I liked the experience but I wasnt' expecting it. it was in the form of tea with lemon juice, but my feeling is that there was some ibotenic acid in the ending result.

Thanks for sharing your patherina experience. What you have described sounds similar to 7 grams of air dried amanita muscaria. Maybe the process of making it into a tea actually made the pantherina more tame as opposed to eating it dry?
I personally like the ibotenic acid aspect of the trip. I have had a dozen similar journeys full of thought loops and closed eyed imagery on just 7 grams of AM. I will never try a higher dose. It's too intense for me to even think about pushing the boundaries. Stay safe.

 

[Neuroborean]

Thanks for sharing your patherina experience. What you have described sounds similar to 7 grams of air dried amanita muscaria. Maybe the process of making it into a tea actually made the pantherina more tame as opposed to eating it dry?
I personally like the ibotenic acid aspect of the trip. I have had a dozen similar journeys full of thought loops and closed eyed imagery on just 7 grams of AM. I will never try a higher dose. It's too intense for me to even think about pushing the boundaries. Stay safe.

Nah, I meant amanita muscaria, it wasn't pantherina. Obviously if it would be Pantherina, 7 grams, it would be totally normal to have thought loops... but with Muscaria, it's not a big dose afaik.
So for you 7grams it's strong on Muscaria, isn't it? yeah, it was pretty strong for me, I thought I couldn't escape the loop and it was quite overwhelming for some moments, like I didn't know what was going on....

 

[StaviaLove]

Nah, I meant amanita muscaria, it wasn't pantherina. Obviously if it would be Pantherina, 7 grams, it would be totally normal to have thought loops... but with Muscaria, it's not a big dose afaik.
So for you 7grams it's strong on Muscaria, isn't it? yeah, it was pretty strong for me, I thought I couldn't escape the loop and it was quite overwhelming for some moments, like I didn't know what was going on....

Okay. For some reason I thought you said patherina? So that's what I experience on that amount too. It's supposed to feel overwhelming for brief sections of the Loops. Each loop lasting 30 seconds or less. My journeys would be completely over in less than 3 hours.

 

[Neuroborean]

Okay. For some reason I thought you said patherina? So that's what I experience on that amount too. It's supposed to feel overwhelming for brief sections of the Loops. Each loop lasting 30 seconds or less. My journeys would be completely over in less than 3 hours.

So you mean that it feels overwhelming for 30 seconds on each loop? wow, you have it pretty analyzed! hehe,
Yeah, that could be the case, but in my case it was pretty strange as the loop had some kind of "eternal" feeling that was indeed more potent and imposing during 30 second or so, the thing is that the loop itself last for hours, it's like a knot tying and untying, and every time it was untied, it produced some kind of insight, or at least relief on a physical and spiritual level.
Got an inmense insight the first time it untied, about a woman I love, it's like I discover what happens in her heart and it lead me to understand something very important about love itself. It's indeed a potent entheogen, a powerful spiritual tool.

 

[SuperPsych]

Maybe a long shot, but anyone ever combine amanita muscaria with buprenorphine?

I'm unfortunately back on suboxone after 2 years or so of many failed kratom tapers. Just can't get my kratom dose under 20gpd. So I'm now on 4mg Buprenorphine and will be working on a taper with the doctors.

I ask about amanita muscaria because I do enjoy psychedelics, but I really like to have a benzo to fall back on. I have some bromonordiazepam but it has an insane half-life and using a benzo with suboxone makes me nervous. I'm wondering if amanita muscaria might be helpful in a lowish dose in case of a bad trip when benzos aren't an option.

I do almost always preload with Phenibut. Have not needed to use a benzo yet. I do have a few psychedelic amphetamines that I wanna try but after a long and difficult DOM trip, I refuse to try them if I'm unable to safely dose a benzo if I need to

 

[Neuroborean]

Maybe a long shot, but anyone ever combine amanita muscaria with buprenorphine?

I'm unfortunately back on suboxone after 2 years or so of many failed kratom tapers. Just can't get my kratom dose under 20gpd. So I'm now on 4mg Buprenorphine and will be working on a taper with the doctors.

I ask about amanita muscaria because I do enjoy psychedelics, but I really like to have a benzo to fall back on. I have some bromonordiazepam but it has an insane half-life and using a benzo with suboxone makes me nervous. I'm wondering if amanita muscaria might be helpful in a lowish dose in case of a bad trip when benzos aren't an option.

I do almost always preload with Phenibut. Have not needed to use a benzo yet. I do have a few psychedelic amphetamines that I wanna try but after a long and difficult DOM trip, I refuse to try them if I'm unable to safely dose a benzo if I need to

I don't know for sure but the type of "bad trip" that one could have with AM... not sure if some benzo would change a lot the outcome, I mean, what would be needed it's something that would be able to stop the loops, the loops can be very challenging but mostly I didn't find myself "anxious" as muscimol is very very powerful anxiolytic, the thing is that you are very conscious that you are under the control of the mushroom and your mind it's in some sort of automatic mechanism, you are just "conscience" witnessing those moves, that could be challenging.

 

[Neuroborean]

about to do 3 grams of Pantherina today...
just to test @Kaleida theory. Just to tell you, girl, I do like Muscaria, it works nicely for me but let's see what Pantherina can do..
I took some kratom, skullcap +butterfly pea tea beforehand so perhaps it's affected negatively, not sure. If it's interesting I'll report back.

 

[SuperPsych]

I don't know for sure but the type of "bad trip" that one could have with AM... not sure if some benzo would change a lot the outcome, I mean, what would be needed it's something that would be able to stop the loops, the loops can be very challenging but mostly I didn't find myself "anxious" as muscimol is very very powerful anxiolytic, the thing is that you are very conscious that you are under the control of the mushroom and your mind it's in some sort of automatic mechanism, you are just "conscience" witnessing those moves, that could be challenging.

I appreciate the reply. I'm not really worried about needing a benzo for the amanita experience itself. I'm more wondering if instead of a benzo, if one could use amanita muscaria to help ease a bad trip on psychedelics

 

[Neuroborean]

I appreciate the reply. I'm not really worried about needing a benzo for the amanita experience itself. I'm more wondering if instead of a benzo, if one could use amanita muscaria to help ease a bad trip on psychedelics

oh, could be, in lower doses, like 2-4 grams. In weak mushrooms maybe more like 6-10, but it's better not to risk a double trip.

 

[Neuroborean]

about to do 3 grams of Pantherina today...
just to test @Kaleida theory. Just to tell you, girl, I do like Muscaria, it works nicely for me but let's see what Pantherina can do..
I took some kratom, skullcap +butterfly pea tea beforehand so perhaps it's affected negatively, not sure. If it's interesting I'll report back.

ok, quoting myself...
It was a strange strange night...
I think it wasn't pantherina (I picked the mushrooms myself, first time ever, this last autumn) and probably it was some pantherina cap and the rest were Amanita Rubescens, so the effect was very weak, I didn't convert the IBO to muscimol as afaik the ibo/muscimol ratio is lower in pantherinas so I just ate the dry caps along with some liquid. Oh well,... I couldn't sleep! I also think I took too much skullcap, and skullcap can be even stimulating (mentally) when on higher dosages. I was in some sort of psychological limbo, and my blood sugar was wrong for hours so I think that was also important (drugs don't work properly for me if I have hyper or hipoglycemia)
the thing is that when my sugar stabilized and I got sleep.. I had crazy crazy dreams, and I enter the same dream twice, in different moments of the night something that barely happens to me since adolescence. So well, it wasn't entirely bad, but I think most of my "pantherinas" were Rubescens.....
uhmmmmmm

 

[bigjackaal96]

From drinking Vodka(mixed with diet soda) with beer, I really do find It funny when proper drunk the effects are no different to Muscimol. In 2 cases I've had to quit mid session because I end tripping that was a very trippy DPH without any of the dysphoria & panic. I sometimes get tought loops just the same but are more mild & more delirious in nature.

 

[Neuroborean]

Yesterday I commited a serious mistake, it was a VERY hard trip, probably the hardest trip in my life excluding some anxious moments while on DMT or LSD over the years (more intense but brief). It wasn't exactly a "bad trip" but in some moments I wanted to finish ( I was so delirious that in the peak of the experience I remember exactly nothing about having taken anything...).
i mixed 2 little Pantherina caps (around 2.3 grams) with a little Gemmata cap (1.2 grams) and Muscaria, totalling 10.1 grams...
The trip didn't begin well, me thinking about having included a death cap (because I was paranoid thinking the Gemmata could actually be some Death cap) I was feeling paranoid because of that, then when the nausea subsided (it was the first time I had nausea with this mushrooms) then I started tripping,inmediately, like few minutes after the come up, (that was like a long hour).
I entered the thought loop so aggresively and the feeling was sooooo ominous, like I was going in hard with zero control..
It was exactly like that, I had all king of crazy thought, like very crazy thoughts about everything, I discovered that I don't have "questions" so the only thing that I need in life is to discover love, how to love certain persons. Then I started thinking the crazy thoughts, something about "a word" that no one discovered and it was the only "word" lacking in the world so if I found it it would change Humanity (ejem ejem...) then I thought I discovered at the end of the loop, and then I thought I was going to be awarded with something, and then the loop went hard and I was totally crazy about being stuck in time, in infinity, that this was all meaningless, I was part of the "system", that the AI took over so I ended up being "reproduced" as a mental loop forever and ever... wow man, that was CREEPY as hell, like the bad guys have won and I was part of the punished ones so I got there in some sort of eternal nightmare... then I tried to escape it, but then I was into some sort of "correction" loop on which I as a philosophy teacher and I was trying to find the way of solving some philosophy issue but it was like a mental error because as the AI took over, our work was being "reproduced" in a fake way, like I was doing something while actually it was nothing, it was fake and I was just smart enough to realize I was living in that fake crazy loop of sorts.

you cannot even grasp how nightmarish this was, and lasted hours,
For some reason when I realized (at the end) it was the Muscaria it was like I didn't respect the mushroom and I had some Karma to pay or something like that, I just wanted to end and recover my mind again but I ended up forgetting again about the context till it completely vanished, I couldn't even believe it, I couldn't believe I was a human with freedom it was like a big big realization and release...
I feel so alive this morning,

Be careful with this stuff guys. Serious entheogenic potential.

 

[Neuroborean]

Just to give you more insights about this:
the feeling of INWARDNESS that you get with this mushroom is like nothing else, I've never tried dissos, so perhaps it's similar, not sure, but it's like a crazy INNER experience, very introspective and at the same time incredibly dreamy, like you are in a similar mindset and feeling that you get when dreaming. Your mind it's not exactly "clear" when on high dosages, your mind roams like at different "speeds" so you get no friction between thoughts, they slide all within the loop that it's not exactly a "thought loop" but more like a recursive feeling that acts like a vortex that ends up eating your thoughts... it's crazy guys, like, very very crazy.
I got exactly zero anxiety during the loops even in the most hellish moments on which I was in hell forever and some entities were telling me it was "my place" forever and from the beginning, ... so well, from my words you can "imply" that this was a bad trip but for some reason it wasn't it had a lot of insights and made me think about my mind and my fears so it was a bit like "shadow work" (expression I generally dislike, but makes sense in this context).
You feel so incredibly alone and with yourself in those moments... it's like you are in a "void" like some other people have called it.
It's similar to the famous k hole??

 

[bigjackaal96]

Muscimol & Alcohol are GABA deliriants in that they give you this false feeling of your on a Disso but then you suddenly realise It actually psychotic Delirium without the brutal baggage that Datura/DPH have. Everytime I drink heavily It feels like a DPH trip but with actual euphoria and body high that Disso like.

 

[Neuroborean]

Muscimol & Alcohol are GABA deliriants in that they give you this false feeling of your on a Disso but then you suddenly realise It actually psychotic Delirium without the brutal baggage that Datura/DPH have. Everytime I drink heavily It feels like a DPH trip but with actual euphoria and body high that Disso like.

I don't like ethanol, like at all, only very few times I got that "delirious" state on alcohol, but I do liked a lot Muscimol crazyness, it has more an spiritual side of sorts and it's potent as hell once you reach the proper dosage, it's very useful in a way, but I get that in higher dosages you can get really serious and worrying psychotic breaks....

 

[bigjackaal96]

I don't like ethanol, like at all, only very few times I got that "delirious" state on alcohol, but I do liked a lot Muscimol crazyness, it has more an spiritual side of sorts and it's potent as hell once you reach the proper dosage, it's very useful in a way, but I get that in higher dosages you can get really serious and worrying psychotic breaks....

Yeah all GABA-A activating drugs will become atypical deliriants once you up the dose. I still remember getting 2 actual trips on just Alcohol that matched doing 700mg DPH, Like seeing a dark empty park behind our house look like a sunny mid day with people having fun but with a game NPC vibe. Even when I managed to look out the window nothing changed It only when I went downstairs the visual suddenly stopped.

 

[SotPoker1012]

I've found it much more useful as a sedative than a recreational psychedelic or deliriant, though admittedly I didn't experiment with it too much. It was primarily to treat benzo wd related insomnia, for me. It definitely has put me into a very dreamy, fever-dream feeling state, just without any notable hallucinations. I definitely see the DPH comparison. I haven't taken any mega doses of DPH, but I've taken in the "music dose" range and it has a similar fever-dreamy mindset. Much more comfortable and not anxious at all, though

 

[Neuroborean]

Yeah all GABA-A activating drugs will become atypical deliriants once you up the dose. I still remember getting 2 actual trips on just Alcohol that matched doing 700mg DPH, Like seeing a dark empty park behind our house look like a sunny mid day with people having fun but with a game NPC vibe. Even when I managed to look out the window nothing changed It only when I went downstairs the visual suddenly stopped.

So perhaps the active substances in saffron can also do that?? I rmember them being GABA-A agonists...

Safranal: From an Aromatic Natural Product to a Rewarding Pharmacological Agent - PMC

Safranal, the main component of Crocus sativus essential oil, is thought to be the main cause of saffron unique odor. It is now about eighty years that this compound has been discovered and since then different scientific experiments have been done ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Neuroborean]

I've found it much more useful as a sedative than a recreational psychedelic or deliriant, though admittedly I didn't experiment with it too much. It was primarily to treat benzo wd related insomnia, for me. It definitely has put me into a very dreamy, fever-dream feeling state, just without any notable hallucinations. I definitely see the DPH comparison. I haven't taken any mega doses of DPH, but I've taken in the "music dose" range and it has a similar fever-dreamy mindset. Much more comfortable and not anxious at all, though

Trust me that, if you reach the proper dosage the "fever-dream" goes completely somewhere else and it's one of the most psychedelic experiences you can achieve, it can be a bit hellish/purgatory-like, tho...

 

[chris_p]

Ive had many experiences of Zolpidem is it any similar? Similar to what I'm reading they were very realistic deliriant like visuals but I can barely remember 90% of what happens and thought loops were also present but very weakly. Just like what's being said I didn't really feel anything while seeing the crazy shit and it all kinda felt normal, it was weirdly interesting. Sound any similar?