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2025 will be the year of new MDMA-like RCs. (Fuck you RC companies!)

I am not sure that a better empathogen than MDMA or mda will ever exist, I think the class has already been perfected chemically. Ive taken methylone, butylone, 6apb, 5mapb, amt, probably many others. I think a large majority of those compounds aren't really worth spending much time on, with respect to people having different chemistries and preferences. I think 5mapb and AMT are very cool, and slightly different enough to be worth exploring, but I would still probably just take MDMA if I wanted to roll. I've found every other rc empathogen to just be a less valuable emulation of MDMA, which I've got no time for anymore.

I was a lot more interested in novel compounds when I was younger, but beyond the legality and availability aspect, I don't really see a great reason to further pump out slight variations, many of which have possibly toxic effects, making harm reduction more difficult, and street MDMA further diluted. But, I understand that is just how chemistry, pharmacy, and science work, so new compounds are inevitable, I just personally don't see a reason to really pursue them. Happy to be pleasantly surprised though.
 
deficiT said:
I am not sure that a better empathogen than MDMA or mda will ever exist, I think the class has already been perfected chemically. Ive taken methylone, butylone, 6apb, 5mapb, amt, probably many others. I think a large majority of those compounds aren't really worth spending much time on, with respect to people having different chemistries and preferences. I think 5mapb and AMT are very cool, and slightly different enough to be worth exploring, but I would still probably just take MDMA if I wanted to roll. I've found every other rc empathogen to just be a less valuable emulation of MDMA, which I've got no time for anymore.

I was a lot more interested in novel compounds when I was younger, but beyond the legality and availability aspect, I don't really see a great reason to further pump out slight variations, many of which have possibly toxic effects, making harm reduction more difficult, and street MDMA further diluted. But, I understand that is just how chemistry, pharmacy, and science work, so new compounds are inevitable, I just personally don't see a reason to really pursue them. Happy to be pleasantly surprised though.
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I second that, nothing else I have consumed has matched the level of euphoria and pure bliss that MDMA (then IMO) MDA brings. The euphoria I felt from 4-Methylaminorex was amazing in its own way, but still not on that same level. Where everything is just perfect for those couple of hours.

I have always preferred MDMA over MDA, but I am a very lovey-dovey sort of peaker. I can see why some others prefer the latter. It's great fun and the extra peak length with the visuals can add a nice addition to a visual experience such as a rave.
 
andyturbo said:
I second that, nothing else I have consumed has matched the level of euphoria and pure bliss that MDMA (then IMO) MDA brings. The euphoria I felt from 4-Methylaminorex was amazing in its own way, but still not on that same level. Where everything is just perfect for those couple of hours.

I have always preferred MDMA over MDA, but I am a very lovey-dovey sort of peaker. I can see why some others prefer the latter. It's great fun and the extra peak length with the visuals can add a nice addition to a visual experience such as a rave.
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25/ 30 year s ago MDMA was euphoric, abuse it declines rapid to disgust.
Not for Serotinergic s just a imprint it made over time. So after a long break.
Methylone/ bk-MDMA i was able to enjoy. A while, got banned, why ?

Now can t think what changed brain chemistry wise, but euphoria.
Nowadays i get only from Lysergic s, tried 5-MAPB and other Serotinergic s.
But it s not the same, the table has turned. In favour of Lysergic s.
 
deficiT said:
I am not sure that a better empathogen than MDMA or mda will ever exist, I think the class has already been perfected chemically. Ive taken methylone, butylone, 6apb, 5mapb, amt, probably many others. I think a large majority of those compounds aren't really worth spending much time on, with respect to people having different chemistries and preferences. I think 5mapb and AMT are very cool, and slightly different enough to be worth exploring, but I would still probably just take MDMA if I wanted to roll. I've found every other rc empathogen to just be a less valuable emulation of MDMA, which I've got no time for anymore.

I was a lot more interested in novel compounds when I was younger, but beyond the legality and availability aspect, I don't really see a great reason to further pump out slight variations, many of which have possibly toxic effects, making harm reduction more difficult, and street MDMA further diluted. But, I understand that is just how chemistry, pharmacy, and science work, so new compounds are inevitable, I just personally don't see a reason to really pursue them. Happy to be pleasantly surprised though.
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aMT surely makes my top 5, 5MAPB I loved it but hesitant to say it would be top 5 as I only used about a couple grams total.. and it was good but missing something without a bit of Amphetamine sulphate or even better 2-FA.
 
As bad as the reputation of 5-MeO-αMT is, some people say it's better than αMT. I think most of the bad reports come from rascals taking multiple blotters sold as L.
 
Dipdoodoo said:
As bad as the reputation of 5-MeO-αMT is, some people say it's better than αMT. I think most of the bad reports come from rascals taking multiple blotters sold as L.
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αMT to me felt like a long legged non visual, slightly psychedelic.
Tryptamine s headspace, which my body/ mind don t agree with.
Its duration made it a torment, dosage didn t matter even 20 mg.

Bizarre as it was described as a sort of Tryptamine Serotoninergic,
and lots of people experience it. Not me. Felt as Psilocybine,
lacking visual s and with the same but lesser headspace.

Not anything like MDMA, Methylone or 5-MAPB.
 
Dipdoodoo said:
I've seen a few trip disaster reports of people toking on amt. It's unfortunate that train wreck trip reports are the most interesting.
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No train wreck, just a boring 12 hour Psilocybine feel.
No vision s/ visual s or psychedelic head space.
Only the side effect s.

And certainly not anything like a Serotinergic.
A MDMA substitute. Sitting it out felt like the train wrecked.
So we were waiting for the next home, on a cosy couch.

12 hour s later :rolleyes: that s a long wait, but a train wreck
I relate more to smoking Salvia Divinorum extract 1-st time.
Without the internet to look up info. was just getting off att.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
αMT to me felt like a long legged non visual, slightly psychedelic.
Tryptamine s headspace, which my body/ mind don t agree with.
Its duration made it a torment, dosage didn t matter even 20 mg.

Bizarre as it was described as a sort of Tryptamine Serotoninergic,
and lots of people experience it. Not me. Felt as Psilocybine,
lacking visual s and with the same but lesser headspace.

Not anything like MDMA, Methylone or 5-MAPB.
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You need to take much higher dosages of aMT to get an experience that is somewhat comparable to MDMA.
I was taking 100mg oral followed by 50mg snorted 90 minutes later.
Visuals won't be crazy but definitely you'll get more visuals than MDMA.
 
Phobos said:
You need to take much higher dosages of aMT to get an experience that is somewhat comparable to MDMA.
I was taking 100mg oral followed by 50mg snorted 90 minutes later.
Visuals won't be crazy but definitely you'll get more visuals than MDMA.
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1-st time after allergie testing, took 80/ 100 mg/ body weight was 65 kg.
Guess that is a solid dose, but in retrospect after abusing MDMA.
So could it be related to down regulation of Serotonin neurons.
Related to use of MDMA before it ?

Never combined them btw, might you get the impression.
40/ 50 mg aMT same effect s, even vaping 20 mg of that musty powder.
Its not for me obvious.

Snorting it i believe detected a hard-nose here,
Phobos !
 
:unsure: , nothing personal just hate that emoticon. Has no meaning ?
Searched for months, and a multi interpret-able/ meaningless smiley,
mutated to being obsolete, or mis-understood at best. To me !
When not misinterpreted. What represents it/ does it mean ?

Giving verbal discrepancy s to the receiver.

:unsure: Which doesn t even correspond s in meaning with his sibling in 'Smiles'.
'Mmm...' vs 'unsure'. Maybe you aimed at the krink,
and not the 2 fool part s. 😊 😆 😅 😂 🤣

Well that could be interpreted as insult/ a swell joke, depends on the
recipient. But you changed your Avatar, no ass crack visible & only part bud.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
1-st time after allergie testing, took 80/ 100 mg/ body weight was 65 kg.
Guess that is a solid dose, but in retrospect after abusing MDMA.
So could it be related to down regulation of Serotonin neurons.
Related to use of MDMA before it ?

Never combined them btw, might you get the impression.
40/ 50 mg aMT same effect s, even vaping 20 mg of that musty powder.
Its not for me obvious.

Snorting it i believe detected a hard-nose here,
Phobos !
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80 to 100mg of aMT is a powerful dose for most, you definitely are either a natural hardhead for stims or you had not fully healed after using MDMA.

It is very irritating on the nose, it definitely is painful and the pain lasts about 30 minutes.
 
Phobos said:
80 to 100mg of aMT is a powerful dose for most, you definitely are either a natural hardhead for stims or you had not fully healed after using MDMA.

It is very irritating on the nose, it definitely is painful and the pain lasts about 30 minutes.
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That s why i was amazed that dude snorted it.
And thought Mr.Krinkle s reply ment it was made up.

Snorting it is impossible, even vaping ime did that once.
Never again, that mushy ... 🤮

ps: didn t start with 80/100, 1-st time 20/ 40 or so.
 
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