Opioids Trying to get an opiate high on a low dose of methadone maintenance?

[trevic]

So, I’m on methadone maintenance but am craving an opiate high badly .

I think I started on just 20mg and the doc was very slow with dose increases cause of some health issues I have, and I kept testing positive for benzos. The benzo positive was cause that dose didn’t cover me and I was smoking gear on top that was cut with them, I wasn’t taking them intentionally. I think if he was faster I’d have ended up on a larger dose, but shockingly 40 actually covers me (atleast mostly, may need one more increase but he wasn’t willing to go beyond 40 with me testing positive for benzos). I’ve now been on methadone since January 7th.

For awhile I kept smoking gear on it even when I was on 40 for a bit and felt like it was actually enough. In the very beginning I felt like I got a bit of a high when I smoked on it, but as the dose increased and it built in my system I got nothing — what I got in the beginning was very weak too, not a proper high but I wasn’t searching for that then. I’ve smoked multiple sheets back to back on it and not got anything significant but I am tolerant. Unsure how much is tolerance and how much is methadone potentially blocking euphoria — I know people say it starts at higher doses, but maybe it’s individual? If 40 is keeping withdrawal at bay, then maybe it’s saturating my receptors enough to interfere or something?

Today I took 140mg of oxy orally, and then 20 after an hour (finishing what I had left from before I moved from oxy to gear). And don’t really feel much of anything, no high to speak of outside of a hint of it but that could have just been in my head. This is before taking my meth — I’ll take it in the afternoon when the oxy has worn off (I mean I’m not feeling it, but seems like a good idea to wait).

The methadone does not get me high in any way. I don’t even feel it, no high, no sedation, it’s like I’m drinking air outside of keeping w/d away. I’ve used G, pregabs and irregular, low doses of Diaz on it (after getting off cut gear, to squash anxiety before appointments I had to attend) and been ok. Passed out after taking 900mg of pregab in two doses, 300 more at two hours — scared me a little but I was ok and it was like 8-9 hours after taking pregab so I was past peak. I’m just saying this to say that methadone def increases risk no question, I think the risk is lower, if still there, than someone on a higher dose who gets a bit of a high off it every day though.

I’m intending to inject some heroin. Please don’t leave comments saying don’t inject. I’m gonna try it so if you respond please can we do harm reduction, I’m not gonna practice abstinence. I know any comments like that are well intentioned but it’s not gonna stop me in this case. I used to inject before I got clean for awhile but in this relapse I never injected, just smoked and plugged a little bit towards the end while I was waiting for appointment to start treatment.

I avoided injecting cause of how dodgy gear is these days but It seems like the only way I might get a high. I’m just looking for advice on how to get an opiate high on methadone, how do you guys do it? I know there’s other threads like this, the couple I found though the circumstances were different enough that it didn’t quite apply to me so I figured I’d make a thread.

Right now I don’t have takehomes cause I kept testing positive for benzos and opiates. I get a take home for Sunday tho, or I can skip a day (up to two days can be missed, three and my script is cancelled and I have to get a new one from the doc), they won’t stop treatment over skipped days even if they don’t like it. I’m thinking I’ll either skip a day or not take the Sunday dose and inject starting with quite a low dose that I know won’t do much and work my way up. Do you guys think I’ll be able to catch a high this way? I’m just desperate to feel an even halfway decent opiate high.

I know there are people on methadone that skip days and use and get high, how do they do it? Is it just larger doses?

Thank you for any help here! (Also sorry for the long, rambling post — I struggle to be concise)

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I mean if you do enough dope it will break through a measly 20 mg of methadone. Will it be as good as being on only dope? No.

But doing high doses of dope to break through methadone is risky especially with all the combination off drugs you’re on.

Report back on how it goes.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

You will waste the drugs. Methadone is a deceptive mistress. I was on 10mg daily doses for a long time and even that was able to block most of the fun stuff. At least in the doses I normally took it. Methadone also has this thing where after awhile you're on it 24/7 even if you miss a dose because the half life is so long. Sometimes the stars align and you get a really nice nod from it alone. Other times it doesn't feel like it's doing anything at all and it's giving you no euphoria but suddenly you just puke up what you ate. It's having more of an effect on you then you realize. You won't understand what I'm talking about until you stop taking it for about a week and go through the hellish withdrawals. Being on methadone is like living in the fog.

No one can tell you if you'll be able to get the type of experience you're seeking from whatever random batch of "heroin" you've managed to acquire. If you're starting the needle for the first time in an attempt to break through I'm going to tell you it's a horrible idea and you'll regret it. You need to make a decision. You can continue attempting to get high in which case you should probably stop taking the methadone because it's really doing you no favors. Or you can stay on the 'done in which case you shouldn't seek out other opioids because they're going to mostly be wasted. We've all tried to do what you're doing and it very rarely works like you're thinking it will. You're living in the house of the enemy. The rent isn't free.

You should know that most people are on excessive bupe/methadone doses. Most people don't need anywhere near 8mg of bupe or 100mg+ of methadone to cover withdrawal. These are very powerful substances despite the lack of euphoria they provide. They're like fent in that respect (except fent is shorting acting). What will probably end up happening if you'll jack up your tolerance even further thus talking your doctor into giving you more methadone thus causing you to attempt to use more and more of the other opioids to bust through the ceiling.

Your honeymoon is over. It sucks but it happens to everyone. You're in a catch-22 now. The only way to get high in the future is not using today. You take a long break then you get high once or twice a month. It sucks but that's how it is. Which if you think back is probably how you were using opioids when you first discovered them. We've all tried to cheat the system and figure out how to stay high everyday. It doesn't work. Even with all the money in the world you'll eventually hit a point where it comes time to pay the piper.

 

[Señor Moreno]

My experience is that you can get high on a 40mg mdne regime, but not in the way that you would if you weren't on mdone.
Ime, opiates' high on those mdne dose tend to be much more about sedation than euphoria and warmth and all the things you craving and chasing.

 

[bingey]

I'm on 60 mg methadone and to break through as it were I need the fire dope , only the good stuff will make me feel any euphoria.

 

[Kellsee]

God I wasted so many pills trying to catch a high on methadone.

Like people would just give them to me when I was on methadone. I literally found a bottle of oxy 80’s. It was a beautiful moment. Until I remembered that I was on methadone. Thats never happened any other time. This is a hard itch to scratch. But just don’t let your urge to chase that dragon over ride your common sense. Be safe. Good luck

 

[jaycat420]

I'm on 175 mg daily and I've punched through every single dose I've been on..

People who say they can't get high on 10 mg, 20 mg, 60 mg 145 mg etc...

It obviously takes more potent bags of fentanyl though

The zylazine is running the fetty now around here though so it's dangerous.

 

[trevic]

Sorry for not replying, I ticked to get emails but never did so thought no one responded.

Thanks for the advice. I got some gear today and smoked some, I skipped my meth today but didn't really get much from it, got the benzo cut gear again and felt that side of it since I'm not tolerant to benzo's anymore (I'd gotten a bit smoking that stuff every day). No euphoria though after 6 sheets, just no good opiate feelings, didn't wanna smoke more today cause of the benzo's in it and obvi I'm still on meth even if I didn't take it today.

Think I’m gonna see if I get any higher tomorrow with two days no meth (tho I may go and get in the afternoon if it doesn’t make much difference, which is what I expect, not sure). Also will have some gear this week that shouldn't be cut with benzos and will try plugging a larger dose as an alternative to try to dodge the needle. Kinda thinking though if I just get nothing from smoking, is injecting really gonna be any diffrent? Obvi it lets me do a larger amount at once but I could achieve that with plugging.

You will waste the drugs. Methadone is a deceptive mistress. I was on 10mg daily doses for a long time and even that was able to block most of the fun stuff. At least in the doses I normally took it. Methadone also has this thing where after awhile you're on it 24/7 even if you miss a dose because the half life is so long. Sometimes the stars align and you get a really nice nod from it alone. Other times it doesn't feel like it's doing anything at all and it's giving you no euphoria but suddenly you just puke up what you ate. It's having more of an effect on you then you realize. You won't understand what I'm talking about until you stop taking it for about a week and go through the hellish withdrawals. Being on methadone is like living in the fog.

No one can tell you if you'll be able to get the type of experience you're seeking from whatever random batch of "heroin" you've managed to acquire. If you're starting the needle for the first time in an attempt to break through I'm going to tell you it's a horrible idea and you'll regret it. You need to make a decision. You can continue attempting to get high in which case you should probably stop taking the methadone because it's really doing you no favors. Or you can stay on the 'done in which case you shouldn't seek out other opioids because they're going to mostly be wasted. We've all tried to do what you're doing and it very rarely works like you're thinking it will. You're living in the house of the enemy. The rent isn't free.

You should know that most people are on excessive bupe/methadone doses. Most people don't need anywhere near 8mg of bupe or 100mg+ of methadone to cover withdrawal. These are very powerful substances despite the lack of euphoria they provide. They're like fent in that respect (except fent is shorting acting). What will probably end up happening if you'll jack up your tolerance even further thus talking your doctor into giving you more methadone thus causing you to attempt to use more and more of the other opioids to bust through the ceiling.

Your honeymoon is over. It sucks but it happens to everyone. You're in a catch-22 now. The only way to get high in the future is not using today. You take a long break then you get high once or twice a month. It sucks but that's how it is. Which if you think back is probably how you were using opioids when you first discovered them. We've all tried to cheat the system and figure out how to stay high everyday. It doesn't work. Even with all the money in the world you'll eventually hit a point where it comes time to pay the piper.

You make some good points here and, though I wish it were different, I can see the truth here. When you talk about taking a long break and getting high once or twice a month, do you mean post methadone, assuming I manage to taper off successfully? Are you talking about getting high while on methadone it needs to be irregular and after a break? I will acknowledge though that the methadone is potent and doing more than it feels like. I just thought it was worth noting how I feel on it cause most people I’ve known feel atleast something on it, even if any positive feelings are very weak or it just makes them want to nap. I literally feel nothing that I can put my finger on.

I'm on 175 mg daily and I've punched through every single dose I've been on..

People who say they can't get high on 10 mg, 20 mg, 60 mg 145 mg etc...

It obviously takes more potent bags of fentanyl though

The zylazine is running the fetty now around here though so it's dangerous.

From what I know fent can do this cause it has a higher binding affinity. Having never done it before, and it's extreme strength, doing fent scares me -- let alone doing fent while on methadone. Plus I don't even know how you'd dose it since doses are in micrograms right?

Is there anyone here who's successfully gotten high while on methadone outside of doing fent? I don't really think I'll get high tomorrow either but I'm thinking my odds are better right? I'd imagine two days I'll be withdrawing right? Even with how long methadone lasts, and if I'm withdrawing then my receptors are free? Is the euphoria crushing quality of methadone just that it constantly sits on your receptors once it's built in your system?

Ugh, I just want one decent opiate high... ofcourse I'd want more if I got it though.
I’ve heard that fent works for this purpose because it has a higher binding affinity. Thing is though, what I’m doing currently is risky, injecting would be very risky, fent though? That seems like a suicidal idea, especially since I have no prior experience with fent (atleast knowingly). I guess if I could dose it properly (and very low), I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it though. How do you even measure low doses of fent though? Cause it’s in the microgram range right?

 

[Señor Moreno]

I bet that breacking throw 175 mg mdne isn't easy, you probably are using very high doses of fentanyl or whatever you use. It may work for you as I bet you have a fantastic tolerance, but it doesn't seem a safe behaviour; those things (fent and/or wathever else) are very dangerous by nature, let alone abusing it in high doses on top of mdone and other downers.

The game in the US has reached a point where people feel street fentanyl to be "safer" than the other stuff doing the rounds. And the greedy bastards running methadone clinics charge 10 or 15 $ for a daily dose to those who reach their facilitie wanting to save their life.
What a dark scenario, my heart is with every and each N american addict these days.

 

[jaycat420]

Senor you're right it isn't easy and it's not safe.

I do not recommend it.

OP there's no safe way to measure street fentanyl and I don't ever get pharmaceutically pure stuff.

It might even be carfent or some other fentanyl analogue possibly? There's so much garbage out there, there is a war on drug addicts and a lot of casualties are occuring

 

[Señor Moreno]

, there is a war on drug addicts

^^100%^^
There is indeed, it's a brutal war on drug addicts everywhere around the world, but in N America it is just genocide

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

^^100%^^
There is indeed, it's a brutal war on drug addicts everywhere around the world, but in N America it is just genocide

The same company that got the country hooked on oxycodone makes money off the "treatment" which is bupe. They have a patent on their formulation of bupe and they are the exclusive provider of it to most clinics. I haven't looked too deeply into the methadone clinic side of things but I bet they're the ones producing it as well. It's a designed "epidemic" and you're right. It IS a genocide. They have wiped at least 3 entire generations with opioids along with causing the youngest of those generations to either not breed or be absent parents. It's a really horrible situation. The family that did this escaped punishment. Their "punishment" was having to supply bupe at a "reduced price" which is much higher than fair market rate.

You make some good points here and, though I wish it were different, I can see the truth here. When you talk about taking a long break and getting high once or twice a month, do you mean post methadone, assuming I manage to taper off successfully? Are you talking about getting high while on methadone it needs to be irregular and after a break? I will acknowledge though that the methadone is potent and doing more than it feels like. I just thought it was worth noting how I feel on it cause most people I’ve known feel atleast something on it, even if any positive feelings are very weak or it just makes them want to nap. I literally feel nothing that I can put my finger on.

Once the opioid honeymoon phase is over it becomes hard to get high everyday. That's just how it is. Tolerance increases too fast thus doses must be almost doubled everyday. Let me put it this way. If you stay off any form of opioids for say a year then attempt taking some you'll have a really fun time on the first night. On the second night you'll still feel good but it won't feel as good as you want. By the third or fourth night your tolerance is back up to where it was before you quit. From there you can choose to keep going but you probably won't get high (as in euphoria) like you want. You're just starving off withdrawals by that point.

In the past you could always go to another stronger shorting acting opioid to combat this somewhat. Hence the Codeine -> hydrocodone -> oxycodone -> morphine -> heroin pipe line most of us followed 10+ years ago before the game became all fucked up. There was always a slightly stronger and mostly safe opioid you could jump to once you'd gotten too tolerant to the last one. This is not the case anymore. Now your choices are very expensive legit pharma opioids, very expensive bunk pharma opioids (pressed fent.) and "heroin" that contains basically no real heroin/morphine and is just a mixture of fent.+whatever garbage they're putting in it today. The days of being able to stay high on pills all day and buy them by the fistful are long gone. The reason most of us didn't jump to heroin for so many years back in the day because it was actually possible to maintain a very heavy pill habit on a day's wage. Pills used to be so plentiful and cheap that you could buy an entire prescription from someone for a day's wages and you could be absolutely sure it was what it said it was on the bottle. This is no longer true and will likely never be the case again.

All those opioids I listed above are nothing like methadone and bupe. Methadone and bupe "block" the opioids listed above because they're very long acting and bind more tightly to the fun key holes in your brain. They also do this while providing much less euphoria. Hence their use in "treatment". That's why the "good" opioids are a waste when you're on them daily. You can "break through" the "block" these two drugs cause but it's really hit and miss. You also need to typically take drastic measures to do it. Which for most people means they either turn to the needle for the first time or really up their doses through other routes. This ends up being a problem because you now have two strong opioids in your system at the same time or you've introduced yourself to the needle and the instant euphoia it can provide. This is why I originally replied to this thread. I'm always weary of someone getting on the needle. There are plenty of people around here that can tell you why it's a horrible idea. There are also a lot of people that were here for years that aren't around to tell you about why it's a bad idea anymore. Because they all died from either using the needle or from past use of the needle. Take a look in the shrine forum sometime. That's where people end up when they use the needle.

The needle is not something I've used for opioids. For good reason. I planned on doing it once but I watched someone else shoot up to get an idea of how I was going to do it and the look on his face post-shot was all I needed to see to know it was a bad idea for me. If I'd shot up that day I probably wouldn't be here talking to you now or I'd still be using hard opioids daily with collapsed veins and all the other problems that come along with the needle. These days using the needle is known to rot the flesh right off of your bones. Since these dealers are putting horrible stuff in the "heroin".

My hope was you'd read what I posted and make a decision to either quit or at least quit the methadone. I'm not going to lecture you or anyone else about why using opioids is a bad idea. I'm just trying to be honest with you and let you know upfront that if your plan is to continue to use them you're better off staying away from methadone all together. Use shorter acting opioids and deal with the yo-yo of euphoia followed by withdrawals. At least in that situation you're actually getting some euphoria. With methadone in the mix you're getting no withdawals but little to no euphoria while wasting both your money and drugs. If you're going to stay on the methadone then stay on the methadone. If you want to get high while using the methadone get high off other substances that aren't opioids. At least those won't be wasted. If you're wanting to quit then quit. The methadone isn't for quitting opioids it's for keeping you out of withdrawals because you're too weak or not able to quit opioids for whatever reason. It isn't supposed to be a life long thing. You're supposed to use it to get yourself stable and away from the "scene". Then once you're stable you're supposed to work towards getting off of it.

Now if you want to stay on it for life they're more than happy to let you if you keep paying them. But a lot of bullshit will come along with it. Most people get tired of being handcuffed to it after some months/years. I know I did. I didn't like having to plan my entire life around taking it.

Speaking from personal expereince I was able to get off of the methadone after being on it for about a year. It wasn't as horrible as you might think although it wasn't a cake walk either. Afterwards I did come back to opioids. First bupe then later kratom. I do not suggest bupe either although I did manage to get high off of it a couple of times (meaning a nod). Kratom is a fine substance if you treat it for what it is. A good way to keep pain levels down and starve off withdrawal. It's much cheaper than any other option and it isn't as hard to quit as any other option. But it's still an opioid and comes with all the problems of the other opioids.

None of the above is as good as morphine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, or real heroin. But all of these are either too expensive or too rare for me to attempt taking anymore. The last few times I did manage to get any of the above I didn't manage to get high off of them. Probably because the supply was so small and my life long tolerance is so high now. I'm sure with the right amount of morphine I could still get a good nod. But I'm also sure that after the first night or two my tolerance will be right back where it was before and I'll have to pay for my use with going through withdrawals again.

The withdrawal thing is the main thing. Your body remembers. If you stay away for awhile you can use once or maybe twice without having full blown withdrawals. But after 3 days - a week once you stop it'll feel like you never quit. That's what I meant by staying off for awhile and using them once or twice a month. The main issue is once you get that taste you don't want to stop and you think you won't end up in the same place you were before. But we all know that's BS and we're lying to ourself. That's how we all ended up addicted to opioids in the first place after all.

Best of luck.

 

[trevic]

I bet that breacking throw 175 mg mdne isn't easy, you probably are using very high doses of fentanyl or whatever you use. It may work for you as I bet you have a fantastic tolerance, but it doesn't seem a safe behaviour; those things (fent and/or wathever else) are very dangerous by nature, let alone abusing it in high doses on top of mdone and other downers.

The game in the US has reached a point where people feel street fentanyl to be "safer" than the other stuff doing the rounds. And the greedy bastards running methadone clinics charge 10 or 15 $ for a daily dose to those who reach their facilitie wanting to save their life.
What a dark scenario, my heart is with every and each N american addict these days.

$10 - $15/day seems insane. What if you don't have the money that day? Do they just turn you away, knowing full well they're endangering you because of what you may resort to to be able to score? Thankfully I'm in wales, so my script is free.

Senor you're right it isn't easy and it's not safe.

I do not recommend it.

OP there's no safe way to measure street fentanyl and I don't ever get pharmaceutically pure stuff.

It might even be carfent or some other fentanyl analogue possibly? There's so much garbage out there, there is a war on drug addicts and a lot of casualties are occuring

Yeah, I think you're right and I'm best off dodging the fent.

The same company that got the country hooked on oxycodone makes money off the "treatment" which is bupe. They have a patent on their formulation of bupe and they are the exclusive provider of it to most clinics. I haven't looked too deeply into the methadone clinic side of things but I bet they're the ones producing it as well. It's a designed "epidemic" and you're right. It IS a genocide. They have wiped at least 3 entire generations with opioids along with causing the youngest of those generations to either not breed or be absent parents. It's a really horrible situation. The family that did this escaped punishment. Their "punishment" was having to supply bupe at a "reduced price" which is much higher than fair market rate.



Once the opioid honeymoon phase is over it becomes hard to get high everyday. That's just how it is. Tolerance increases too fast thus doses must be almost doubled everyday. Let me put it this way. If you stay off any form of opioids for say a year then attempt taking some you'll have a really fun time on the first night. On the second night you'll still feel good but it won't feel as good as you want. By the third or fourth night your tolerance is back up to where it was before you quit. From there you can choose to keep going but you probably won't get high (as in euphoria) like you want. You're just starving off withdrawals by that point.

In the past you could always go to another stronger shorting acting opioid to combat this somewhat. Hence the Codeine -> hydrocodone -> oxycodone -> morphine -> heroin pipe line most of us followed 10+ years ago before the game became all fucked up. There was always a slightly stronger and mostly safe opioid you could jump to once you'd gotten too tolerant to the last one. This is not the case anymore. Now your choices are very expensive legit pharma opioids, very expensive bunk pharma opioids (pressed fent.) and "heroin" that contains basically no real heroin/morphine and is just a mixture of fent.+whatever garbage they're putting in it today. The days of being able to stay high on pills all day and buy them by the fistful are long gone. The reason most of us didn't jump to heroin for so many years back in the day because it was actually possible to maintain a very heavy pill habit on a day's wage. Pills used to be so plentiful and cheap that you could buy an entire prescription from someone for a day's wages and you could be absolutely sure it was what it said it was on the bottle. This is no longer true and will likely never be the case again.

All those opioids I listed above are nothing like methadone and bupe. Methadone and bupe "block" the opioids listed above because they're very long acting and bind more tightly to the fun key holes in your brain. They also do this while providing much less euphoria. Hence their use in "treatment". That's why the "good" opioids are a waste when you're on them daily. You can "break through" the "block" these two drugs cause but it's really hit and miss. You also need to typically take drastic measures to do it. Which for most people means they either turn to the needle for the first time or really up their doses through other routes. This ends up being a problem because you now have two strong opioids in your system at the same time or you've introduced yourself to the needle and the instant euphoia it can provide. This is why I originally replied to this thread. I'm always weary of someone getting on the needle. There are plenty of people around here that can tell you why it's a horrible idea. There are also a lot of people that were here for years that aren't around to tell you about why it's a bad idea anymore. Because they all died from either using the needle or from past use of the needle. Take a look in the shrine forum sometime. That's where people end up when they use the needle.

The needle is not something I've used for opioids. For good reason. I planned on doing it once but I watched someone else shoot up to get an idea of how I was going to do it and the look on his face post-shot was all I needed to see to know it was a bad idea for me. If I'd shot up that day I probably wouldn't be here talking to you now or I'd still be using hard opioids daily with collapsed veins and all the other problems that come along with the needle. These days using the needle is known to rot the flesh right off of your bones. Since these dealers are putting horrible stuff in the "heroin".

My hope was you'd read what I posted and make a decision to either quit or at least quit the methadone. I'm not going to lecture you or anyone else about why using opioids is a bad idea. I'm just trying to be honest with you and let you know upfront that if your plan is to continue to use them you're better off staying away from methadone all together. Use shorter acting opioids and deal with the yo-yo of euphoia followed by withdrawals. At least in that situation you're actually getting some euphoria. With methadone in the mix you're getting no withdawals but little to no euphoria while wasting both your money and drugs. If you're going to stay on the methadone then stay on the methadone. If you want to get high while using the methadone get high off other substances that aren't opioids. At least those won't be wasted. If you're wanting to quit then quit. The methadone isn't for quitting opioids it's for keeping you out of withdrawals because you're too weak or not able to quit opioids for whatever reason. It isn't supposed to be a life long thing. You're supposed to use it to get yourself stable and away from the "scene". Then once you're stable you're supposed to work towards getting off of it.

Now if you want to stay on it for life they're more than happy to let you if you keep paying them. But a lot of bullshit will come along with it. Most people get tired of being handcuffed to it after some months/years. I know I did. I didn't like having to plan my entire life around taking it.

Speaking from personal expereince I was able to get off of the methadone after being on it for about a year. It wasn't as horrible as you might think although it wasn't a cake walk either. Afterwards I did come back to opioids. First bupe then later kratom. I do not suggest bupe either although I did manage to get high off of it a couple of times (meaning a nod). Kratom is a fine substance if you treat it for what it is. A good way to keep pain levels down and starve off withdrawal. It's much cheaper than any other option and it isn't as hard to quit as any other option. But it's still an opioid and comes with all the problems of the other opioids.

None of the above is as good as morphine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, or real heroin. But all of these are either too expensive or too rare for me to attempt taking anymore. The last few times I did manage to get any of the above I didn't manage to get high off of them. Probably because the supply was so small and my life long tolerance is so high now. I'm sure with the right amount of morphine I could still get a good nod. But I'm also sure that after the first night or two my tolerance will be right back where it was before and I'll have to pay for my use with going through withdrawals again.

The withdrawal thing is the main thing. Your body remembers. If you stay away for awhile you can use once or maybe twice without having full blown withdrawals. But after 3 days - a week once you stop it'll feel like you never quit. That's what I meant by staying off for awhile and using them once or twice a month. The main issue is once you get that taste you don't want to stop and you think you won't end up in the same place you were before. But we all know that's BS and we're lying to ourself. That's how we all ended up addicted to opioids in the first place after all.

Best of luck.

Thanks for the advice. I get you being very heavy on dodging the needle -- I will say though that I used to inject, I'm not a stranger to it like this message reads. For the time being, I've decided to dodge the needle though, I could plug to get larger doses in me, and as nice as the rush is I'm too anxious to inject enough to get that while on methadone. I will say though, I guess everyone varies, but the picture you paint is much more extreme than I've experienced. I agree your body remembers, but even after months of use, I don't think my tolerance got back to what it was when I was injecting (granted my usage didn't become daily for a bit). I definitely didn't get it back in three days or even close. I also definitely didn't need to almost double my dose everyday, or even close. I will agree about the withdrawal though, I had some mild withdrawal from just three days of using and when I started getting proper withdrawals, it was much worse than it was originally after using for that long.

The reason I made this thread though, is that there are some people that can get high while on methadone -- at least they passionately claim to. I was hoping to get some insight into how these people do it, but I guess it's just individual biological differences. I failed to really get high in the attempt I made this thread around, though I only smoked and had a pretty limited supply. Now I've got an eigth of the best gear I can get in the UK and haven't had my meth today. Gonna skip today and tomorrow and probably Monday. Going to let my script end temporarily and then get back on it I think, and see how long it takes being off it to be able to get some euphoria. Also planning to import some china white, there's one vendor who's very well reviewed, and his stuff has been tested as being clean in the forums. Problem is I have to import it from cambodia, and though cheaper in bulk, a single gram is £150. Still, it sounds excellent and like the old, premium stuff you used to be able to get a few years ago. Plus it's #4, so I could snort a larger amount at once than I can smoke. Hoping perhaps that stuff will be able to cut through, though I'll need to be very cautious about dosage obviously. Someone EZ purity tested it too and it was in the 80-90% range -- I'm very sceptical about those tests though, anyone know how accurate they are?

 

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If you’re a tolerant user on relatively hi dose 80-120mg …..you could take a lower dose for several dayss

Methadone 100mg daily for years ……you take 75mg for two days……then I take 125mg which will induce a moderately noticeable opioid bliss, anxiolytic effects, calm, content & comfortable….which is always in a hybrid Brompton Cocktail ……strictly for a tolerant user who has experience with all substances in oral cocktail

Methadone 125mg
Methylphenidate 50-70mg IR Ritalin
Pregabalin 300mg
Diazepam 20mg
Alprazolam 1mg
Ethanol / Gin 2.oz drink (3-6 drinks)

This cocktail reliably produces the desired analgesic, anxiolytic, euphoriant, mood-boosting pleasurable effects after a 1hour onset .

The Ritalin (Methylphenidate) 50-70mg IR is essential to enhance the opioids analgesic properties and keep me mentally alert & sharpe…..dopamine & norepinephrine also are involved in pain modulation in addition to the Pregabalin (Lyrica) and anxiolytic + muscle relaxant properties of Valium (Diazepam) 20-30mg

6’ 240lbs tolerant male / 10+ years legal scripts for all items

Be safe