Do NOT underestimate the power of Buprenorphine/Subutex, 5MG no tolerance

[UK Warrior]

Hello everyone, I am lucky to be breathing this morning as last night I found a casserole dish full of my old buprenorphine, talking a good few hundred or thousand tablets, 2MG ones.

I looked up the oral equivalent to morphine and saw it was 60MG's if you have 2MG subutex, I thought this was a fair starting dose so allowed one to dissolve under my tongue.

For an hour, I felt nothing, so took another 2MG under my tongue, and split a third pill into two 1MG lines.

I was talkative, and could feel a buzz, but nothing heavy, and fell to sleep.

My Mum came into my room as she could hear my breathing was bad, she described it as like I was connected to a ventilator machine to make me breathe, and each breath was gurgly.

When I first woke up at around 10AM, I was nodding hard and it was hard to get to the toilet to pee, this was also very hard to do as I was standing there literally nodding.

I got up, and straight on the Sofa, where I fell asleep until around about 20 past 2 this afternoon.

I keep coughing up lots of mucus, its as if my lungs became wet in my sleep, and my co-ordination is still off but I can stay awake now.

I had no opioid tolerance as I have been off of the script for about a year and wanted to get high, but I genuinely think I overdosed and luckily survived through it.

In future I will break a 2MG tablet in half, and just take a 1MG line as my maximum dose if I choose to use them again.

 

[fairnymph]

Hello everyone, I am lucky to be breathing this morning as last night I found a casserole dish full of my old buprenorphine, talking a good few hundred or thousand tablets, 2MG ones.

I looked up the oral equivalent to morphine and saw it was 60MG's if you have 2MG subutex, I thought this was a fair starting dose so allowed one to dissolve under my tongue.

For an hour, I felt nothing, so took another 2MG under my tongue, and split a third pill into two 1MG lines.

I was talkative, and could feel a buzz, but nothing heavy, and fell to sleep.

My Mum came into my room as she could hear my breathing was bad, she described it as like I was connected to a ventilator machine to make me breathe, and each breath was gurgly.

When I first woke up at around 10AM, I was nodding hard and it was hard to get to the toilet to pee, this was also very hard to do as I was standing there literally nodding.

I got up, and straight on the Sofa, where I fell asleep until around about 20 past 2 this afternoon.

I keep coughing up lots of mucus, its as if my lungs became wet in my sleep, and my co-ordination is still off but I can stay awake now.

I had no opioid tolerance as I have been off of the script for about a year and wanted to get high, but I genuinely think I overdosed and luckily survived through it.

In future I will break a 2MG tablet in half, and just take a 1MG line as my maximum dose for the day if I choose to use them again.

I took 2mg my first time with no tolerance and it was definitely waaay too much. Takes a while to really kick in from what I recall. It’s strong stuff.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

If you did not have anything but bupre in your system, it should* not cause fatal respiratory depression, but it might have contributed to sleep apnea maybe or caused like acid reflux you did inhale or something, which could be dangerous in and of itself, indeed, but that is different from overdose in ordinary connotation.

*you should be medical freak or already medically compromised to completely stop breathing just for bupre OD.

 

[UK Warrior]

If you did not have anything but bupre in your system, it should* not cause fatal respiratory depression, but it might have contributed to sleep apnea maybe or caused like acid reflux you did inhale or something, which could be dangerous in and of itself, indeed, but that is different from overdose in ordinary connotation.

*you should be medical freak or already medically compromised to completely stop breathing just for bupre OD.

Well I had taken 70MG diazepam earlier in the day but felt like the effect had worn off.

I have done 1MG of subutex insufflated for today, and will give it a long time to kick in before I even think about redosing.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

initial high of diazepam does not last that long in many people, but it has some effect for many days. Half-life of diazepam is really long, it just mixes into fat really well and single molecule goes back and forth from interacting with different gaba receptors to dormant state.

 

[UK Warrior]

initial high of diazepam does not last that long in many people, but it has some effect for many days. Half-life of diazepam is really long, it just mixes into fat really well and single molecule goes back and forth from interacting with different gaba receptors to dormant state.

It doesn't last that long for me either, although I knew of its very long half-life. Today I have stuck to just 2MG insufflated and am feeling a nice high from it.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

yeah, nothing else matters than you just knowing what you are doing and staying alive. Glad you are well and enjoying your buzz.

 

[Felonious Monk]

You mean you took 2mg to start, not 60mg, right?Subutext/Suboxone is definitely strong. I took an 8mg Suboxone one of my first times and I was completely wrecked for 2 days.

 

[JackARoe]

I have never done sub. But I have read enough to know that should any fall in my hands to go very slow. In fact, my plan when I finally stopped using Kratom is to use maybe .5 every other day for five or six days I do have a friend that went on sub to get off Kratom eight years ago. He’s kicking himself for not just going to CT with Kratom. I think he said he is on 4 mg daily, but yeah, they put him on a lot and he had to taper down to that. So with all the information that I gather here I imagine taking .5 two or three times is no big deal. And I imagine it would steam roll any Kratom. I know Poppy tea does.

 

[deficiT]

Hello everyone, I am lucky to be breathing this morning as last night I found a casserole dish full of my old buprenorphine, talking a good few hundred or thousand tablets, 2MG ones.

I looked up the oral equivalent to morphine and saw it was 60MG's if you have 2MG subutex, I thought this was a fair starting dose so allowed one to dissolve under my tongue.

For an hour, I felt nothing, so took another 2MG under my tongue, and split a third pill into two 1MG lines.

I was talkative, and could feel a buzz, but nothing heavy, and fell to sleep.

My Mum came into my room as she could hear my breathing was bad, she described it as like I was connected to a ventilator machine to make me breathe, and each breath was gurgly.

When I first woke up at around 10AM, I was nodding hard and it was hard to get to the toilet to pee, this was also very hard to do as I was standing there literally nodding.

I got up, and straight on the Sofa, where I fell asleep until around about 20 past 2 this afternoon.

I keep coughing up lots of mucus, its as if my lungs became wet in my sleep, and my co-ordination is still off but I can stay awake now.

I had no opioid tolerance as I have been off of the script for about a year and wanted to get high, but I genuinely think I overdosed and luckily survived through it.

In future I will break a 2MG tablet in half, and just take a 1MG line as my maximum dose for the day if I choose to use them again.

yeah, you gotta be careful with that shit dude. i mean, i dont think bupe is as likely to kill you in an overdose, outside of a combo, but you can definitely get wayyyyyy too fucked up and sick if you dont have a tolerance. ive seen it happen a bunch, i mean the first time i took subs i was sweating profusely and puking in a trashcan at work, and shit i had opioid tolerance.

that mme shit doesnt really translate to bupe at all really i dont think, its a partial agonist and it just works too differently from a traditional opiate

 

[UK Warrior]

You mean you took 2mg to start, not 60mg, right?Subutext/Suboxone is definitely strong. I took an 8mg Suboxone one of my first times and I was completely wrecked for 2 days.

Yes I mean I took 2MG to start, which is apparently the equivalent to 60MG oral morphine.
I imagine taking 8MG for your first time would proper mess you up for sure!

yeah, you gotta be careful with that shit dude. i mean, i dont think bupe is as likely to kill you in an overdose, outside of a combo, but you can definitely get wayyyyyy too fucked up and sick if you dont have a tolerance. ive seen it happen a bunch, i mean the first time i took subs i was sweating profusely and puking in a trashcan at work, and shit i had opioid tolerance.

that mme shit doesnt really translate to bupe at all really i dont think, its a partial agonist and it just works too differently from a traditional opiate

I know man, I misjudged my tolerance for sure.
Whats MME? EDIT I now know that MME means morphine milligram equivalent, I didn't know it didn't apply to buprenorphine where it works differently)

I understand it is only a partial agonist and doesn't act like a traditional opiate, but where I have no opiate tolerance now it works for a buzz.

I have taken a total of 3MG insufflated today instead of under the tongue, and feel quite high- I am not nodding out but have pinprick sized pupils and a good opiate buzz going.

I am going to bed soon as it has gone 1AM so that will be the last I take today.

Where I have literally hundreds of 2MG Subutex tablets I will use them every now and then to get a buzz, as I enjoy opiates and they are free to me lol.

 

[Deleted member 588791]

I've got 8mg strips right now and I'm no longer taking them as prescribed because it's a long story but regardless I don't need them so I've been weaning off of them, as I have done before but there was a time I gave an 8mg strip to someone not opiate dependant and they got so t fkn sick so I have no desire to keep the ones around after I'm completely off but I might sell them to someone I know who hooks up others who are coming off fent.

 

[Felonious Monk]

MME is milligram morphine equivalent

I was fortunate that when I took the 8mg I'd at least taken other opiates before, but I don't think I'd ever taken subs. I probably messed up the buccal administration which probably helped me not die too lol. I was sick with the actual flu and I was so fucked up I could barely even feel sick. Falling asleep taking a piss status.

 

[Deleted member 588791]

Jesus! Had you all fkd off! Yea my stoner buddy took half of the 8mg and 30 minutes in I'm bringing him the trash can and for like an hour, vomited, gagged, and dry heaved. Poor guy. He didn't even get pissed at me. I'd heard they'll get you high like an opiate so I was thinking percs high or hell Norco nicotine, ect apparently I heard wrong.

 

[krkkhed]

First time I did Buprenorphine I was young and generally opioid naive, had only done a handful of other ones and had little to no tolerance at the time. I bought an 8mg pill and snorted 1mg at first. An hour later I was uncontrollably nodding and itching, the highest I had ever been from an opioid, aside from the one time I had done Hydromorphone a few months before that. But the Bupe was so much more intoxicating in a dirty and synthetic way, I was much more "fucked up" off it than I was from the Hydro. I absolutely loved it, and the fact that the one 8mg pill lasted me like 5 days. Now sub barely gets me any high at all, just makes me feel normal. Am happy to be off it though
Even during a longish period where I was IV'ing my buprenorphine, I didn't ever get much of a high and sorta missed it, found myself reminiscing on the first few times I took it. Especially the aforementioned 5 days after I bought my first pill. Spent so much time playing Unreal Tournament lol

 

[Deleted member 588791]

That's crazy, but I mean crazy in a good sense, and I appreciate you sharing. I never researched the way to break down for IV'ng but that drug and like opiates for me are my last resort I would last resort it with air dusters, gasoline, ect. Anyways so I actually wondered sometimes what the high is like IVng pills or my subs but I wouldn't want to get sick instead and that not knowing 100% just leaves it with just a thought. You're story reminds me tho of how I was 8 years ago and that's a slither of the many reasons I don't go every day anymore. Congrats for being off them! I heard WDs are harder off them than heroine. I definitely don't want to see. Glad for you.

 

[sHR00m]

Anyways so I actually wondered sometimes what the high is like IVng pills or my subs

In my experience its totally not worth it. There is no rush, it still takes about 20 minutes to kick in. Might as well snort it. Or boof it. I had injectable methadone once. That was much more like it.

 

[deficiT]

Yes I mean I took 2MG to start, which is apparently the equivalent to 60MG oral morphine.
I imagine taking 8MG for your first time would proper mess you up for sure!


I know man, I misjudged my tolerance for sure.
Whats MME? EDIT I now know that MME means morphine milligram equivalent, I didn't know it didn't apply to buprenorphine where it works differently)

I understand it is only a partial agonist and doesn't act like a traditional opiate, but where I have no opiate tolerance now it works for a buzz.

I have taken a total of 3MG insufflated today instead of under the tongue, and feel quite high- I am not nodding out but have pinprick sized pupils and a good opiate buzz going.

I am going to bed soon as it has gone 1AM so that will be the last I take today.

Where I have literally hundreds of 2MG Subutex tablets I will use them every now and then to get a buzz, as I enjoy opiates and they are free to me lol.

Yeah, you were correct, morphine milligram equivalent. I mean I guess I'm not sure how they do the math on that, I'm not a pharmacist or a chemist, but like... Yeah 30-60mgs Morphine oral would not do what I've seen 1-2mgs Suboxone do to someone who's opioid naive.

Like yeah that amount of morphine orally will probably catch you a decent enough buzz with low/no tolerance, but shit Subs just make you otherworldly sick and fucked up. Everyone else seems to be chiming in the same shit that happened to them too, lol.

It's a maintenance drug for a reason. It's not really supposed to be used by anyone other than those that already have a crippling heroin/fentanyl addiction. Although, they do also try to prescribe it for chronic pain these days as well, which is sort of like giving someone a bandaid for a headache.

But it definitely has a very definable plateau effect, and after you get the initial fucked up sick experience out the way, it'll usually level off and won't brutalize you every single time, once your brain knows it can process those weird endorphins lol. It's really a terrible drug to become dependent on, you get no real desirable effects.

That stuff tore my stomach to shreds when I was on 16mg for a a couple years off and on. It was like an episode of Dr House. But, it definitely helped me hold off on falling back on dope in a serious way, and so I'm thankful for that. But, I feel so much better after I decided to get off of it finally, and just switch back to kratom. You could say I'm dependent on it of course, but, it actually works for pain, while still functioning as a useful thing for maintenance, with limited side effects, for me.

 

[Conky]

I was on subs for a year and the effect on mood disappeared after the first month even as the dose was escalated up to 30mg

It was an actively harmful treatment that I abruptly discontinued along with olanzapine 10mg

Can't believe people actually IV and snort this drug

 

[krkkhed]

In my experience its totally not worth it. There is no rush, it still takes about 20 minutes to kick in. Might as well snort it. Or boof it. I had injectable methadone once. That was much more like it.

Yeah, Iv'ing subs isnt really much special. I just did it mostly because i was also addicted to the needle lol. What you said is true, takes 20 min to kick and you get same effects from boofing, its just not worth it to iv subs