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Phenethylamines Optimal low 2cb dose and ROA for hedonism & redosing

How fast is the onset when insufflated?

I think I've heard that the burn is not nearly as bad as (ex) 2c-e, 2c-i, etc, but is it still bad?
 
Listening said:
How fast is the onset when insufflated?

I think I've heard that the burn is not nearly as bad as (ex) 2c-e, 2c-i, etc, but is it still bad?
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It's still quite bad... I really recommend just eating the stuff. I think theres somewhat of a rush from snorting it that is nice, but quite honestly it might just be sheer pain giving you a bit of a jolt.

Back in da day I'd rack up like 25-30mg, writhe in pain, puke, and proceed to have the night of my life. But overtime switched over to just eating the dose, and then redosing if it felt like it wasn't gonna be as strong as I want. Like taking 10-20mg, realize the show or party is greater than expected as the comeup gets going... licking another 5-10mg with a beer will catch right up to the first dose

I've gone through at least a gram or two of 2C-B overtime, doses from 5-30mg. It's seriously like the best all-around drug; fun, giggly, energetic, psychedelic hedonism. Perfect for the club, out in nature, or just melting into a couch. It also has very little in the way of hangover or comedown effects, and any of that is just lack of sleep, same crap i'd feel if I was up til 5am sober.

To me it is like a utility version of a candy flip. Candy flip is the superior experience, but boy is that a commitment in comparison

Highly underrated, if not the most underrated drug of all time.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
5 minutes if that. You start feeling it almost instantly. It’s bad, but I haven’t tried the others.
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Hilopsilo said:
It's still quite bad... I really recommend just eating the stuff...
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Thanks for the responses, both!

My scale seems to be dying and I had to guesstimate, but I ended up insufflating something just under ~10mg.

To answer my own question: It's not nearly as bad as 2c-e or 2c-i, but was still pretty uncomfortable. Aside from the burn, that penethalmine taste is pretty gross IMO. Seems to have lasted about three hours, as suggested earlier in the thread.

The last time I had done 2c-b was 15 years ago! Such lovely stuff! The comeup included too much nauseous discomfort for me, but after that things were rosy. Ended up writing an essay and a poem. Felt great.

(Also vaporized some DMT on it, which was great too, though not experienced enough to say how well it synergized.)

Next time I'll try eating it. Insufflating some tryptamines is fine, but that penethalmine taste makes me want to gag.
 
Listening said:
Next time I'll try eating it. Insufflating some tryptamines is fine, but that penethalmine taste makes me want to gag.
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If you like fast onset and conserving material, consider rectal administration. But I've tried it a bunch of time with various compounds and much prefer the slower ride via oral administration.
 
two friends and I took 100mg MDMA + 10mg 2C-B as a dual boost dose multiple times, letting the moreishness of the MDMA guide us. At some point we took nitrous too, one of our company freaked out horribly and we spent 14 hours comforting him, he had autism and that combi sent him into completely losing his grasp. Very sad.
 
Asante said:
two friends and I took 100mg MDMA + 10mg 2C-B as a dual boost dose multiple times, letting the moreishness of the MDMA guide us. At some point we took nitrous too, one of our company freaked out horribly and we spent 14 hours comforting him, he had autism and that combi sent him into completely losing his grasp. Very sad.
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An old friend of mine with autism could body really monstrous doses until one day ketamine got a little bit "ketamean", I do wonder why that occurs sometimes.
 
I'm on the spectrum. I don't really react differently to any drugs-- except for dissos. I am a hard head and use high doses of everything (I am a true polyaddict), except dissos. I think I react very strangely to them. I can't even put it into words. I've had some absolutely God awful terror experiences on them (including psychosis), but I've also really loved them as well (mainly just low/moderate dose MXE, and to a lesser extent ketamine)
 
Quasimoto said:
I'm on the spectrum. I don't really react differently to any drugs-- except for dissos. I think I react very strangely to them. I can't even put it into words. I've had some absolutely God awful terror experiences on them, but I've also really loved them as well (mainly just low/moderate dose MXE)
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Interesting, this guy was hesitant with 3-MeO-PCP dippers but loved ket and dxm until he just, caught the fear I suppose? It occurred while watching Scooby Doo & The Witch's Ghost and frankly I'm not convinced that a ghost witch may sound anything other than terrifying to somebody in a k-hole who's not used to it.

Edit: Grammar.
 
Esperighanto said:
An old friend of mine with autism could body really monstrous doses until one day ketamine got a little bit "ketamean", I do wonder why that occurs sometimes.
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I'm on the spectrum and I can also handle huge psychedelic doses, but if I mix in an NMDA antagonist everything goes to shit and I forget what's happening

When I use psychedelics in huge doses, even with ego death, I can still remember that I am experiencing the effects of a drug. NMDA antagonists totally throw that out the window
 
Esperighanto said:
Interesting, this guy was hesitant with 3-MeO-PCP dippers but loved ket and dxm until he just, caught the fear I suppose? It occurred while watching Scooby Doo & The Witch's Ghost and frankly I'm not convinced that a ghost witch may sound anything other than terrifying to somebody in a k-hole who's not used to it.

Edit: Grammar.
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Dissos make my mind freak out, it's almost like an instant psychosis for me (if I take a full dose). It's difficult to describe, but is extremely unpleasant and typically results in suicidal behavior and sheer terror.

The only disso I will touch these days is ketamine, in low doses (<50mg), combined with serotonergic psychedelics or other drugs to modify them.

The one disso I truly enjoyed was MXE. It had magical anxiolytic and euphoric properties for me at low snorted doses of 5-10mg. I never attempted to use higher doses due to previous experiences, but never really needed to. It was very valuable at low doses for me.

I really miss that drug.... why has nobody tried to start producing MXE again? It was so popular you'd think someone would get that gravy train flowing again.
 
Note how Nitrous oxide drove my Aspie friend over the edge, we have some autism-dissociative issues emerging here and all of these are NMDA Antagonists.

Low medical dose memantine seems to help autistic children as young as 6 to "get a grip" as a soothing experience reducing stress etc moments.
 
xdrc said:
By the way, are you sure your pills really were 25 mg? Pills are often sold as such, but rarely do they ever test that high... reality is about half, I think, with pressies. Of course this is no guarantee.
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I only ever bought 2c-B pressies in the UK, and I've also had the pure powder a few times.

In my personal experience the pressies are about what they say, the ones sold as 25mg might be 20mg but not 10-12mg.

Again, just my personal experience in the UK so in other countries such a low dose might be the standard.
 
Listening said:
How fast is the onset when insufflated?

I think I've heard that the burn is not nearly as bad as (ex) 2c-e, 2c-i, etc, but is it still bad?
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The burn is bad relative to other drugs.
If you've ever snorted MDMA crystals, well 2c-B is way worse.
200mg MDMA are mild compared to 20mg 2c-B in terms of pain felt when snorted.

But the pain subsides quickly, it's gone in 10-15 minutes for me.

In regards to the onset, FAST.
With 20-25mg insufflated, 2-3 minutes and you are having significant OEV and CEV if you do not have a tolerance.

The drip can induce retching for me (I'm not that sensitive to nausea from psychedelics and entheogens/entactogens), and instant vomiting for others.

Totally worth it for me but obviously that depends on the situation and company etc.
 
reverse cosmosis said:
Thats an understatement and a half!! I once snorted effervescent cocodamol (just to see how much it would suck) and that's the only thing I can compare to insufflated 2cb
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aMT is also as bad, worse probably.
I've seen people with fair skin get a red half circle around the eye on the side they snorted aMT on.
30 to 50mg lines not massive rails.
 
Quasimoto said:
I really miss that drug.... why has nobody tried to start producing MXE again? It was so popular you'd think someone would get that gravy train flowing again.
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Combination of it being tricky to whip up and the market having been very passionate about MXE, but overall not large enough to facilitate a more traditional criminal network of clandestine manufacture to pop back up.

Arylcyclohexyamines with a 2'-oxo substitution (ketamine, MXE, FXE, etc. but not PCP analogs) are specifically weaker than their non-2'-oxo counterparts by weight, and tend to also sell better since they can usually be vaporized or fit into blotter paper, therefore making a larger range of possible experience and also making the clandestine exchange of the substance easier. The fact that I've had doses as low as 300ug of 3-HO-PCP produce a noticeable threshold effect when orally administered indicates that something where a threshold dose is likely in the tens of milligrams (say, MXE or ketamine) is dramatically less desireable, as it's at least ~30x weaker by mass, and therefore more difficult to transport from the point of production to wherever it's being sold.

I'd expect to see the market shift towards things that are more potent by weight, produce more "recreational" experiences as opposed to "spiritual" ones, and visual effects seem to be a big indicator too. That's the pattern I've seen with psychedelics at least, once something's adequately potent in a dose:weight ratio, then it begins moving in the direction of selection by qualities. Notice that 2C-B is still around for most people, and some can still access a handful of 25X-NBXX/DOx compounds, but other 2C's, and for most, every DOx/25X-NBXX compound are completely inaccessible? The entire class of 2,4,5-trisubstituted phenethylamines essentially got filtered down by capitalism intersecting with the war on drugs to leave us with only one of these countless valuable tools being widely known of and/or even accessible in the first place. I get why people aren't out out here gigadosing DOM or similar, but DOC, 25C-NBOMe, etc. are easily some of the best drugs I've ever used. I'm sure many feel similarly to MXE as I do towards DOC/25C-NBOMe.
 
Listening said:
Update: it has been nearly a month since I insufflated ~8mg of 2cb. Still have sores in my nostril that are trying to heal. Never insufflating a 2c again. (Something I probably said to myself 15 years ago and forgot.)
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Jesus that's crazy, I've put easily numerous grams of this up my nose and this has never happened, even ketamine was more prone to inducing nosebleeds. Did you have any preexisting use of drugs intranasally?
 
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