Hi,
I have been a user of kratom everyday for the past 4 years at around 10 or 20 grams per day. I've found my tolerance is at the point where when I take it, I either don't feel anything or I feel some degree of physical anxiety; there is a threshold that I end up either above or below which determines how it goes for the day. I know it is time to stop, but I don't want to do that right now.
I am more curious if anyone knows what is happening when high dose kratom causes physical anxiety, especially the shakiness that I experience. It seems unique from amphetamine induced anxiety; kratom causes shakiness and restlessness, while amphetamine would give me that butterflies in stomach and cold hands and feet feeling. This leads me to wonder if the kratom effect is not due to imbalanced norepinephrine, but instead something else. My other theory is that it is histamine related because during WD diphenhydramine causes horrible RLS and generally just intensifies every bad feeling. The thought process is that WD is like an internal anti-histamine so the DPH synergizes with that effect, which implies the active effect of kratom is somewhat pro-histamine. But again, I don't know, I'm just talking out of my ass.
The solution to avoid the anxiety is to take less, which I have been good at doing lately, but I want to know if anyone has other remedies or a better explanation of what's going on. I have tried magnesium glycinate and I also take fish oil, although unrelated, and I can't say I've noticed much of reduction, it might be there but it is not obvious. Another observation about this anxiety is that even if I have a small amount of kratom in my system (like I took 1/4 my regular dose and it is 6 hours later) I don't constantly feel the anxiety, but if something happens that would normally make me slightly nervous, my body's response is very extreme. Like I'll be completely chill and not under the influence of kratom at all, but then once I have to speak in front of people, for example, I shake like I have a hang over from a 4 day alcohol binge (although I wouldn't know first hand, I don't drink like that). That is the biggest problem, it is difficult and embarrassing to speak to people when you've got the shakes.
Thank you all.
I have been a user of kratom everyday for the past 4 years at around 10 or 20 grams per day. I've found my tolerance is at the point where when I take it, I either don't feel anything or I feel some degree of physical anxiety; there is a threshold that I end up either above or below which determines how it goes for the day. I know it is time to stop, but I don't want to do that right now.
I am more curious if anyone knows what is happening when high dose kratom causes physical anxiety, especially the shakiness that I experience. It seems unique from amphetamine induced anxiety; kratom causes shakiness and restlessness, while amphetamine would give me that butterflies in stomach and cold hands and feet feeling. This leads me to wonder if the kratom effect is not due to imbalanced norepinephrine, but instead something else. My other theory is that it is histamine related because during WD diphenhydramine causes horrible RLS and generally just intensifies every bad feeling. The thought process is that WD is like an internal anti-histamine so the DPH synergizes with that effect, which implies the active effect of kratom is somewhat pro-histamine. But again, I don't know, I'm just talking out of my ass.
The solution to avoid the anxiety is to take less, which I have been good at doing lately, but I want to know if anyone has other remedies or a better explanation of what's going on. I have tried magnesium glycinate and I also take fish oil, although unrelated, and I can't say I've noticed much of reduction, it might be there but it is not obvious. Another observation about this anxiety is that even if I have a small amount of kratom in my system (like I took 1/4 my regular dose and it is 6 hours later) I don't constantly feel the anxiety, but if something happens that would normally make me slightly nervous, my body's response is very extreme. Like I'll be completely chill and not under the influence of kratom at all, but then once I have to speak in front of people, for example, I shake like I have a hang over from a 4 day alcohol binge (although I wouldn't know first hand, I don't drink like that). That is the biggest problem, it is difficult and embarrassing to speak to people when you've got the shakes.
Thank you all.
