Misc What was your worst detox/withdrawal?

[jasperkent]

Another hellish aspect of it, at least in my experience, is you feel like you're dying-- because you actually are. The organ pain, your metabolism is all fucked up, arrythmias, skipped beats and chest pain, difficulty breathing, and extreme physical fatigue. It's really quite scary. I laugh about the fact that alcoholism taught me more about my anatomy than school ever did.

Yep.

With opioid WD, you wish you would die but you probably won't. With alcohol WD, you wish you would die and you very well might.

 

[3DQSAR]

Alcohol by quite a margin.

 

[pnillyg]

Ironic its the most widely accepted, socially at least

 

[CashmereCat]

Another hellish aspect of it, at least in my experience, is you feel like you're dying-- because you actually are. The organ pain, your metabolism is all fucked up, arrythmias, skipped beats and chest pain, difficulty breathing, and extreme physical fatigue. It's really quite scary. I laugh about the fact that alcoholism taught me more about my anatomy than school ever did.

It's got to make it much worse withdrawing from something when you know you might actually die. At least with opioid withdrawal there's a light at the end of the tunnel that you can be pretty confident you'll reach. It's agonizing but not frightening, alcohol must be even worse to come off of given the real chance you might not make it.

 

[thurston]

Came off a very heavy carfentanil habit cold turkey In a cell. I briefly thought I was actually going to die of dehydration before I got an excruciatingly painful shot of something for nausea and was able to keep water down. Went about 10 days without sleeping at all, hallucinating full conversations with family and friends who weren't present, and feeling like I had an electric current running through my teeth. It was nightmarish.

That shit should get you a couple of years time served credit.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Just curious…

Name of substance(s)? Duration of use? Dose? How bad was the detox?

Ill start

Diazepam 5mg 3x daily + 8mg Buprenorphine 2x daily

Was on the diazepam for 3yrs and had been on the subs for 11 months

Diazepam was 15mg daily and bupe was 16mg daily

I jumped from that dose so no taper and was detoxing from the Buprenorphine for 26 days and the diazepam for 2-3 months.. the first 26 days I didn’t even charge my phone or watch tv, i could barely open a water bottle and literally had to wear a diaper those few weeks… it was literal hell on earth and the worst detox ever ever been through. The combo of the long acting benzo and long acting partial agonist was excruciating. Probably also didn’t help that I wasn’t in good shape at the time (suuuper skinny)… anyways lets hear yours

I’m quitting diazepam tomorrow!!!! I’m like borderline addicted. Better Juno ship asap.


My worst withdrawl ever where I actually got totally clean was probably after a good suboxone taper.

But way worse ones I didn’t make it through

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Yep.

With opioid WD, you wish you would die but you probably won't. With alcohol WD, you wish you would die and you very well might.

But the length of Methadone WD 60/ 70 days is extreme long.
Thought 3 weeks after Ethanol was bad.

And after reading that CT from Opioid s is no 100 % OK.
It can, like abrupt WD of GABA drug s, also kill.
Though the risk is probably lower. Correct me when wrong.

 

[3DQSAR]

The thing about ALL CNS depressants is that in sufficient quantities, alcohol will serve as a substitute.

But that's certainly not the case the other way around, likely because alcohol is so non-specific in it's action. Of course, alcohol is also much more toxic and much more debilitating.

Twice I ended up drinking vast amounts when my source of other downers failed me.

It can take a LOT of alcohol to be sure, in my case I substituted 24mg diclazepam/day for 1.5l of gin/day. I figured I was out of options after suffering two minor seizures.

 

[JackARoe]

Kicking CT from 80 mgs of methadone in jail for weeks was tough. I had just told my clinic (privately owned) to go f*ck themselves when I was 2 days late with my $10. I paid everyday, and they would not budge. Causing me to need at least $80 a day for heroin and leading to arrest. 35 years ago.

25 years ago I kicked my 3rd poppy tea habit. 12 large gigs twice a day. That withdrawal was very dramatic and deep hurting. Interestingly enough at 1 month off eating and sleeping normally and by 2 months like it never happened. Tough but the body recovers probably easier than say methadone or bupe. I have never had bupe but see it is very popular today. Long lasting withdrawal like methadone from what I read. But poppy tea, dramatic but went completely away. I have felt methadone linger longer than 2 months. Not poppy tea.

But never mind me, I know some of you sick f*cks have kicked some horrendous things. I am a light weight. Never ventured into benzos, stimulants or dissociatives.

Respect to people that kicked alcohol. I always considered that the strongest and most difficult drug to deal with. So if you kicked alcohol you are a rock! I have seen alcoholism kill people. People that could not stop at all.

 

[3DQSAR]

25 years ago I kicked my 3rd poppy tea habit. 12 large gigs twice a day. That withdrawal was very dramatic and deep hurting. Interestingly enough at 1 month off eating and sleeping normally and by 2 months like it never happened. Tough but the body recovers probably easier than say methadone or bupe. I have never had bupe but see it is very popular today. Long lasting withdrawal like methadone from what I read. But poppy tea, dramatic but went completely away. I have felt methadone linger longer than 2 months. Not poppy tea.

It's because poppy tea contains papaverine and noscapine along with the morphine and codeine. It's not within my purview to bang on about 'all natural', 'synergy' and the supposed benefits of consuming possibly hundreds of compounds rather than the single compound isolated and tested for activity BUT other BLers have noted that raw opium and poppy tea appear to produce a level of dependence out of all proportion to it's analgesic activity.

 

[JackARoe]

It's because poppy tea contains papaverine and noscapine along with the morphine and codeine.

When poppys.org existed some years ago there were people stating there are over 40 alkaloids in opium. One of the jokes was one was named apemorphine, said to put a gorilla on your back. (now I know that may not be the actual name of one alkaloid but people can be funny)

I also remember quality heroin not fully knocking out a poppy tea withdrawal. It is potent stuff.

 

[Opana313]

It's because poppy tea contains papaverine and noscapine along with the morphine and codeine. It's not within my purview to bang on about 'all natural', 'synergy' and the supposed benefits of consuming possibly hundreds of compounds rather than the single compound isolated and tested for activity BUT other BLers have noted that raw opium and poppy tea appear to produce a level of dependence out of all proportion to it's analgesic activity.

I have yet to try pod tea but poppy seed tea had a pretty strong pull if you had been dosing heavy for a few days, I remember once I needed up to 120mg of oxycodone just to get me on my feet for work and I still felt like I was maybe 70% back to normal. Wicked shit, but that's what you get when your tolerance gets way out of hand! Good lord I can only imagine the hellbfrom pods.

 

[3DQSAR]

I suspect the post was made in jest or possibly the poster misread apomorphine which is used medically.

The thing is, the minor alkaloids may only be present during certain parts of the growth cycle so while over 40 alkaloids may have been discovered in total, I don't think all 40 are present at once nor are they present in appreciable amounts.

It's still (to me) fascinating that it's so simple to isolate the morphine in the form of the insoluble calcium morphinate.

It's calcium morphinate that goes on to be converted back to the freebase which in turn is acetylated into H.

I still wonder if the Mexicans will begin to grow the oriental poppy as it's legal to do so BUT provides the most usable precursors to both oxycodone and oxymorphone. There simply MUST be a demographic of rich functional addicts who would happily pay for something (much) better than fentanyl.

 

[Misterx1976]

Back during my heroin addiction I’d been on about 3 bags in the arm a day

I took a naltrexone being told I would rattle it all out in 6 hours

I took it

Only the lord knows the unbearable rattle I did
Fair to say it was true though
The next day I wasn’t rattling and didn’t need any gear

I do not suggest this method

It’s what i imagine a trip to visit Satan is like

 

[3DQSAR]

Back during my heroin addiction I’d been on about 3 bags in the arm a day

I took a naltrexone being told I would rattle it all out in 6 hours

I took it

Only the lord knows the unbearable rattle I did
Fair to say it was true though
The next day I wasn’t rattling and didn’t need any gear

I do not suggest this method

It’s what i imagine a trip to visit Satan is like

I used buprenorphine for a week and was able to just stop. Not as brutal, but the two drugs share that key N-methylcyclopropyl moiety and both seem to readjust the MORs.

I was VERY impressed.

I fully expect thienorphine to become the next treatment option. From the little I've read, it appears that it may require just one dose because the duration of action of the stuff is measured in days.

 

[Misterx1976]

I used buprenorphine for a week and was able to just stop. Not as brutal, but the two drugs share that key N-methylcyclopropyl moiety and both seem to readjust the MORs.

I was VERY impressed.

I fully expect thienorphine to become the next treatment option. From the little I've read, it appears that it may require just one dose because the duration of action of the stuff is measured in days.

There was no bupe in the 90s
There was lufexodine, diazepam, nitrazepam and buscopan that was prescribed or you could get methodone

When you had got through a week they gave you naltrexone to block any further use

Or you could skip the week and take a blocker like I stupidly did and get a personal visit from the elsebab

 

[3DQSAR]

Buprenorphine was licenced for pain in the 70s but not for detoxification.

I don't know how common it is, but I believe naltrexone can produce anhedonia. It's unclear how common the issue is but a few papers suggested that it was associated with depression, suicide and other negative outcomes.

 

[Misterx1976]

Buprenorphine was licenced for pain in the 70s but not for detoxification.

I don't know how common it is, but I believe naltrexone can produce anhedonia. It's unclear how common the issue is but a few papers suggested that it was associated with depression, suicide and other negative outcomes.

That would make perfect sense in my case mate I wasn’t aware of that

I was never and never heard of anyone being on bupe when I was a rat in the 90s

 

[3DQSAR]

Sometimes it's better NOT to know the potential side-effects, the placebo effect being what it is.

 

[JackARoe]

There was no bupe in the 90s

My last methadone run was in 1990. Had a few runs through the 80's. I do not remember bupe being an option back then at all for opiate addicts. And now it seems the standard treatment. Bupe was discovered way earlier than when it was used for treatment as 3DQ stated.

I was lucky to find a privately owned methadone clinic in Long Beach CA as well as in NJ. The one in NJ were brothers. The one brother was the business guy and the other the doctor. Pay your $10 daily and you get your methadone and the doc was freely prescribing some benzos. Lots of wink winks. Just behave is all they asked. No urine tests if you behaved. They also let people have take homes fairly quick if they behaved 2 months. But if you didn't have that $10 cash each day or did not behave then forget it. No deals. The state owned clinics I went to I had to show up at 6:30AM and you had to give your left arm for any take homes besides holidays.

The topic of the thread is worst detox. After reading BL for so long it seems the body can detox and rebound on some drugs. Then I read about antidepressants or AP's and I think it may be more than a detox. Parts of the brain get changed. Possibly benzos too although most say they feel better even after a few weeks. Whatever lingers may be something broken, I know it has been discussed in OD before.