Benzos A Good, Maybe Even a Legal Sedative Alternative to Benzodiazepines

[Mana0909]

Good Evening Everyone,​

Right now, I have "Clonazafone," which is a Clonazepam prodrug, and "Mephenaqualone," which are essentially Quaaludes.
Both are positive allosteric modulators on the GABA-A receptors, leading to significant tolerance development after just two days.

Is there anyone who might know of an alternative? It would be even better if it's legal!
Unfortunately, Phenibut has been illegal in my country since 2023, and I am already aware of Pregabalin and Gabapentin.

Stay Safe, Mana0909

 

[Phobos]

Hello, what type of sedative effects do you need?
Anti anxiety or sleep inducing?

 

[SuperPsych]

Muscimol? From the mushroom Amanita Muscaria or Amanita pantherina. Grows naturally the world over

 

[Mana0909]

Muscimol? Sounds very promising after briefly searching it online!

Could you describe the effect in detail (your personal opinion) and how it compares to other sedatives, such as:

• Benzos (Clonazepam, Flunitrazepam, or Diazepam)
• Phenibut
• Pregabalin/Gabapentin
• CBD
• Methaqualone/Mephenaqualone (or other derivatives)

Only, of course, if you have taken those.

Thank you in advance and Stay Safe, Mana0909

 

[Mana0909]

Hello, what type of sedative effects do you need?
Anti anxiety or sleep inducing?

Those are my Preferences​

Quinazolinone Class (GABA-A)

• Quaaludes/Mephenaqualone - ★★★★★

Benzodiazepines (GABA-A)

• Clonazepam and Flunitrazepam - ★★★★☆
• Alprazolam and Lorazepam - ★★☆☆☆
• Diazepam and Oxazepam - ★★★☆☆

GABA-B Agonist

• Phenibut - ★★★★☆

Cannabinoids

• CBD - ★★★☆☆
• THC - ★☆☆☆☆

Ethanol

• Alcohol - ★☆☆☆☆

Gabapentinoids

• Pregabalin - ★★★★☆
• Gabapentin - ★★★☆☆

These are my preferences regarding sedatives/tranquilizers.
I really like anxiety suppression, muscle relaxation, hypnotic effects, etc., mixed with euphoria and motivation enhancement.

Thank you in advance and Stay Safe, Mana0909

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Muscimol? Sounds very promising after briefly searching it online!

Could you describe the effect in detail (your personal opinion) and how it compares to other sedatives, such as:

• Benzos (Clonazepam, Flunitrazepam, or Diazepam)
• Phenibut
• Pregabalin/Gabapentin
• CBD
• Methaqualone/Mephenaqualone (or other derivatives)

Only, of course, if you have taken those.

Thank you in advance and Stay Safe, Mana0909

Muscimol is pleasant initially in many ways, but it has an upper limit on the pleasant effects. Tolerance can build, but not quite in the same way as with benzodiazepines and there is minimal withdrawal. It is more similar to Z drugs like zopiclone. There is also a slightly psychedelic edge to it making the combo between it (4 grams or so of amanita) and low dose (1.2 grams) of psilocybe cubensis very enjoyable. Don't use too high of a dose of amanita muscaria though or you will have a difficult time, and it does induce seizure like activity at around 12-14 grams in some people from what I have noticed. YMMV with this one, but it is nowhere near as pleasant as a benzodiazpine and not even close to as euphoric as phenibut.

If you want best effect with least side effects look into pantherina rather than muscaria, and also look into decarbing as well...

 

[Mana0909]

Muscimol is pleasant initially in many ways, but it has an upper limit on the pleasant effects. Tolerance can build, but not quite in the same way as with benzodiazepines and there is minimal withdrawal. It is more similar to Z drugs like zopiclone. There is also a slightly psychedelic edge to it making the combo between it (4 grams or so of amanita) and low dose (1.2 grams) of psilocybe cubensis very enjoyable. Don't use too high of a dose of amanita muscaria though or you will have a difficult time, and it does induce seizure like activity at around 12-14 grams in some people from what I have noticed. YMMV with this one, but it is nowhere near as pleasant as a benzodiazpine and not even close to as euphoric as phenibut.

If you want best effect with least side effects look into pantherina rather than muscaria, and also look into decarbing as well...

Thank You Very Much​

In most shops, Muscimol is being sold as gummies and shots. Is this normal? I would prefer it in pellet or powder form.

I think I'm sticking with Muscimol rather than Pantherina first, but I will keep it in mind.

Do you know how Muscimol acts in the brain? I mean, on which receptors does it bind, etc.? Would you compare the "sedative spectrum" to a low dose of Diazepam, or is there another drug that's similar? I only took Zopiclone twice in my life because I have access to Temazepam, Flunitrazepam, and now even to Quaaludes, which are, in my opinion, much better.

The thing is that I'm not a fan of psychedelic drugs. Yes, a low dose of 2CB or MDMA is quite smooth and enjoyable, but I really mean low. I prefer drugs that have only a couple of effects, but all of them are positive, rather than having many mixed effects. That's also why I dislike THC.

Stay Safe, Mana0909

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Thank You Very Much​

In most shops, Muscimol is being sold as gummies and shots. Is this normal? I would prefer it in pellet or powder form.

I think I'm sticking with Muscimol rather than Pantherina first, but I will keep it in mind.

Do you know how Muscimol acts in the brain? I mean, on which receptors does it bind, etc.? Would you compare the "sedative spectrum" to a low dose of Diazepam, or is there another drug that's similar? I only took Zopiclone twice in my life because I have access to Temazepam, Flunitrazepam, and now even to Quaaludes, which are, in my opinion, much better.

The thing is that I'm not a fan of psychedelic drugs. Yes, a low dose of 2CB or MDMA is quite smooth and enjoyable, but I really mean low. I prefer drugs that have only a couple of effects, but all of them are positive, rather than having many mixed effects. That's also why I dislike THC.

Stay Safe, Mana0909

I understand your standpoint entirely. I must warn you though that the muscimol gummies often times are actually either 4-AcO-DMT or synthetic cannabinoids in worst case, or in best case very low dose muscimol and even some have high concentrations of the muscarine which is concerning as that gives all negative side effects. I highly advise seeking amanita pantherina to most everyone rather than the gummies (or muscaria for those more interested in experiencing ibotenic acid with muscimol as well.)

Muscimol acts on the GABAa receptor as a potent agonist, and it is only really comparable to the Z drugs in my opinion. However, the sedative/anxiolytic effects can be compared to between 10-50mg diazepam depending on the dose. Higher doses do begin to lead way into the negative effects rather rapidly though, so be very careful!

Glad to be of assistance.

 

[Mana0909]

I understand your standpoint entirely. I must warn you though that the muscimol gummies often times are actually either 4-AcO-DMT or synthetic cannabinoids in worst case, or in best case very low dose muscimol and even some have high concentrations of the muscarine which is concerning as that gives all negative side effects. I highly advise seeking amanita pantherina to most everyone rather than the gummies (or muscaria for those more interested in experiencing ibotenic acid with muscimol as well.)

Muscimol acts on the GABAa receptor as a potent agonist, and it is only really comparable to the Z drugs in my opinion. However, the sedative/anxiolytic effects can be compared to between 10-50mg diazepam depending on the dose. Higher doses do begin to lead way into the negative effects rather rapidly though, so be very careful!

Glad to be of assistance.

Thank you for your assistance and recommendations!

So, you mean most shops just sell it as "Muscimol," but it's actually cheap "JWH-XXX" substances or even DMT analogues?
Thanks for your warning; that was very important.

Do you perhaps know what's the safest form, where the chance is the lowest that contaminants are mixed in?
For example, powder, pellets, liquid, etc. Also, could you perhaps tell me the usual price for 1 gram?
I know that you can't post shops here, and I don't want that, but what is a realistic price tag per unit? So that I get a feeling for it.

Stay safe, Mana0909

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Thank you for your assistance and recommendations!

So, you mean most shops just sell it as "Muscimol," but it's actually cheap "JWH-XXX" substances or even DMT analogues?
Thanks for your warning; that was very important.

Yes, that is what I mean (at least in many cases) and I am glad to help. I have had confirmations of this from those who work in clinical settings with drug addicts as well.

Do you perhaps know what's the safest form, where the chance is the lowest that contaminants are mixed in?
For example, powder, pellets, liquid, etc. Also, could you perhaps tell me the usual price for 1 gram?
I know that you can't post shops here, and I don't want that, but what is a realistic price tag per unit? So that I get a feeling for it.

Stay safe, Mana0909

The safest form is powder or caps, and for muscaria it is between 1 Euro per gram and .5 Euro per gram depending on quantity and source. For pantherina, it is more like 1.5 to .75 Euro per gram depending on quantity and source. Can be more or less cost wise, but that is a round about from memory.

 

[Mana0909]

Yes, that is what I mean (at least in many cases) and I am glad to help. I have had confirmations of this from those who work in clinical settings with drug addicts as well.



The safest form is powder or caps, and for muscaria it is between 1 Euro per gram and .5 Euro per gram depending on quantity and source. For pantherina, it is more like 1.5 to .75 Euro per gram depending on quantity and source. Can be more or less cost wise, but that is a round about from memory.

Alright, thank you very much.

In the meantime, I found a trustworthy vendor and got myself 25g of pure powder for 21.99€. I also bought a bottle with 50 capsules, each containing 750mg per pill, along with GABA, Vitamin B2, L-Tyrosine, and L-Dopa. This means I got 37.5g (750mg x 50 caps = 37.5g) for 52.99€.

The capsules were, of course, more expensive than the powder, but they also include four additional substances that are quite beneficial, in my opinion. Plus, when I spend over 60€, I get a 20% discount and free shipping. I am very excited. Do you think 2 capsules (1.5g) are a good amount to start with?

Stay safe, Mana

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Alright, thank you very much.

In the meantime, I found a trustworthy vendor and got myself 25g of pure powder for 21.99€. I also bought a bottle with 50 capsules, each containing 750mg per pill, along with GABA, Vitamin B2, L-Tyrosine, and L-Dopa. This means I got 37.5g (750mg x 50 caps = 37.5g) for 52.99€.

The capsules were, of course, more expensive than the powder, but they also include four additional substances that are quite beneficial, in my opinion. Plus, when I spend over 60€, I get a 20% discount and free shipping. I am very excited. Do you think 2 capsules (1.5g) are a good amount to start with?

Stay safe, Mana

Yes, that is a good starting point though I recommend if you tolerate it well to aim for 3-4 grams next for better effect. It has been my experience that this is the ideal dose for muscaria and for pantherina it is 2.7 grams (but that is with a moderate tolerance; to start only maybe 1-1.4 grams of that type.)

Best of wishes to you in your journey!

 

[Dextro .45]

Emylcamate- Anxiolytic, muscle relaxant and sedative

Avizafone (Pro-Diazepam)

 

[Allylbenzene]

Progesterone is the most potent endogenous GABAergic, and it's precursor pregnenolone. Also myrcene (potent sedative), caryophyllene, nerolidol, linalool and theanine. These are all underrated OTC options.

 

[Pirrracetamol]

Muscimol? From the mushroom Amanita Muscaria or Amanita pantherina. Grows naturally the world over

Amanita muscaria is that the shroom that is red with white spots on it?

 

[Syntherize]

Amanita muscaria is that the shroom that is red with white spots on it?

Yes

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Hmm never heard of this one and am all about getting to sleep regularly

just pointing out --- also legal in the US -- benzo RC's (Not for consumption of course). There is a demand.... lol

 

[Syntherize]

Hmm never heard of this one and am all about getting to sleep regularly

just pointing out --- also legal in the US -- benzo RC's (Not for consumption of course). There is a demand.... lol

Yup, but I never tried any Amanita before even though I once foraged a bunch of A. pantherina in my mom’s back yard and dried them properly under low temperatures in the oven with the door cracked open and a fan pointed inside lol. I mostly didn’t want to take them because many people compared the experience to Z drugs like Zolpidem (Ambien), which I am prescribed, but I don’t like taking it, because it causes visual hallucinations in doses above 10mg for me. I don’t like the trip at all since I intentionally want to use it for sleep not trip out when I’m tired at night, so to me this doesn’t sound worth my time at all. I’d rather just eat psilocin or another insole instead at that point.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Never took amanita myself...not really eager too but sleep is sleep. The z drugs werent great for me -- metal mouth and the only script i would LITERALLY lose. Not eat all of, not take early, legit just lose the bottle....(ambien)

if you can excuse some light blasphemy I always wondered if ol Jesus could have ate a bunch of amanita muscara and just pissed that red psychoactive substance back out --- and ppl already drunk just went "Yea im definitely more messed up than before!" --- Water into wine!!

 

[Syntherize]

Never took amanita myself...not really eager too but sleep is sleep. The z drugs werent great for me -- metal mouth and the only script i would LITERALLY lose. Not eat all of, not take early, legit just lose the bottle....(ambien)

if you can excuse some light blasphemy I always wondered if ol Jesus could have ate a bunch of amanita muscara and just pissed that red psychoactive substance back out --- and ppl already drunk just went "Yea im definitely more messed up than before!" --- Water into wine!!

Yeah, I hate Ambien. Lunesta was slightly better for me without the strong psychoactive visual effects, but my insurance didn’t want to cover it anymore. I’ve also heard of Gaboxadol from a Vice documentary, and it is supposedly a semisynthetic version of muscimol/ibotenic acid that was developed in Europe a few decades ago. Gaboxadol is supposed to work on the same receptors to promote sleep and reduce anxiety at low doses, but apparently if you take a little too much you will experience strong Amanita-like effects too. I hear that it is completely legal and unscheduled here in the USA, but I’ve never seen it personally.