Qualudes, How do they produce euphoria?

[brokedownpalace10]

I have to add that saying the barbs and "non-barbituate sedatives" have more similarities than differences does not apply to benzos.
Benzos are in their own class.
They used to call Thorazine and such "major tranquilizers" and Valium and such "minor tranquilizers". Benzos do have some similarities to the "major tranquilizers". Still used to suck on them like candy, though.

 

[JackARoe]

I remember the whole major/ minor tranquilizer thing. And I had a friend that had been put on Thorazine. I never considered a major tranquilizer so I figured it would have a major effect over the minor ones. (I was still in high school) So I tried it, but no such luck. I ended up so agitated that I just went to bed because I felt like shit. And my friend that was prescribed these had said, that is how they work, they agitate the hell out of you and then you just end up in bed.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I remember the whole major/ minor tranquilizer thing. And I had a friend that had been put on Thorazine. I never considered a major tranquilizer so I figured it would have a major effect over the minor ones. (I was still in high school) So I tried it, but no such luck. I ended up so agitated that I just went to bed because I felt like shit. And my friend that was prescribed these had said, that is how they work, they agitate the hell out of you and then you just end up in bed.

A friend of mine as a teenager was schizophrenic, so Thorazine was just laying around at the time. Also Haldol.
Tried and tried to make it in the least bit recreational and all it ever did for me was give a tired, strong, sleepy feeling. You'd always go to bed and the next day you would feel tired and sedated all day as well. Kinda that "hammer to the head" feeling where thought just takes too much energy to conceive. Kinda like cyclobenzaprine with the tiny tatters of fun it has deep inside it completely removed.

And, ya, Benzos have that feeling in there as part of it

 

[JackARoe]

IME Flunitrazepam came pretty close, and is still on the market in 2024 - but I have been there and done that.

Actually had 4 pills once a long time ago. The stuff was so potent I was breaking the last two pills in quarters. Ok, this is a good example of a decent benzo.

 

[PtahTek]

In my experience they didn't... blackouts in my case but others said I was ok so.... IDK

 

[Keif' Richards]

I think we're actually pretty close in opinion @JackARoe I definitely don't mean to say there are no differences between two different drugs in a given class. Sure, Oxymorphone (Opana) is that 10%-15% "better" than Heroin. I'd then say Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) is 10% better than Heroin. To extrapolate this idea completely, I'd say Methadone is only 70% as "good" as Heroin, maybe even less. I think most people if asked would say Fentanyl/Xylazine is 50% as good as Heroin or even less. This is just one person's opinion.

There definitely are differences out there. I feel the only reason Fentanyl/Xylazine became so entrenched is economics. Users had to choose between a less potent, yet significantly more enjoyable drug and another less enjoyable, yet significantly more potent drug. Most users, when pressed are always going to make the choice that makes them less likely to be sick.

For that matter, yes Barbiturates, I feel are subjectively much more pleasurable than Alcohol or Benzodiazepines. The issue I guess is that these substances are not good enough to warrant a steady market for them. People would probably rather use Pentobarbital (Nembutal) than Alcohol. They're not willing to close the breweries, the bars and replace them with Barbiturates. I'm not sure if what I'm saying here makes sense.

A fact that I don't always talk about that you all might find interesting...

It was a little over 5 years ago that I really started a serious process of recovery. I still use Cannabis every day. I have a prescription for Lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse) and I take Methadone for maintenance. I'll also use psychedelics if I feel like it. I stopped drinking, using Heroin, lying etc. Anyway, it was right around this time that Fentanyl was hitting New England. There were 3-4 occasions I was trying to buy Heroin. I remember using what I believe was Fentanyl-esque. It made my vision blurry. It made me feel strange. I couldn't walk straight. It only lasted for ~3 hours.

By the 4th time or so that I had used this stuff, I just wasn't willing to spend my money on that shit. It did not do for me what I needed it to. I knew the first time I used it, but it took several tries before I was decided. I got back on Methadone, a drug which did way more for me than Fentanyl. Maybe it wasn't as good as Heroin. It was good enough for what I needed though, so I compromised.

Basically, the low quality of the stuff was one significant factor in my not relapsing. It felt like there was nothing to relapse onto anyway.

 

[jasperkent]

Basically, the low quality of the stuff was one significant factor in my not relapsing. It felt like there was nothing to relapse onto anyway.

Same here.
Greedy, unscrupulous cartels and dealers have done for me what Just Say No programs never could-- I hardly ever buy street drugs anymore.
I've grown my own weed for 8 years now, and I occasionally buy only hallucinogens or fake Adderalls (which I know are meth but they're consistent so who cares). Otherwise, fuck street drugs.

 

[chippermonk]

For that matter, yes Barbiturates, I feel are subjectively much more pleasurable than Alcohol or Benzodiazepines. The issue I guess is that these substances are not good enough to warrant a steady market for them. People would probably rather use Pentobarbital (Nembutal) than Alcohol. They're not willing to close the breweries, the bars and replace them with Barbiturates.

As far as barbs vs alcohol, are barbs a better high, a big advantage that alcohol has over them and many drugs is that it can be scaled down for dosage and for application to a wide number of situations. You can sit around and drink a beer and socialize in a bar or a casual party. Barbs don't work for that, at least not for any party I want to go to Alcohol is a very versatile drug.
I suppose it would be possible to have minidose barbs that have a mild affect like one beer. It might be really enjoyable for me, who doesn't want to get trashed, but usually barbs meant going 0 to 60. I don't see anything like that ever happening. Truthfully, a lot of drugs could be scaled back to a minidose scale, corresponding to one or 2 beers. Your Vyvanse falls in that category. Myself, I like cutting up 5 mg oxies and vicodins into fractions, that's the only way I take them and it's low key pleasant. I did used to do opies at higher doses but this is just better for my desire to be stable

 

[brokedownpalace10]

As far as barbs vs alcohol, are barbs a better high, a big advantage that alcohol has over them and many drugs is that it can be scaled down for dosage and for application to a wide number of situations. You can sit around and drink a beer and socialize in a bar or a casual party. Barbs don't work for that, at least not for any party I want to go to Alcohol is a very versatile drug.
I suppose it would be possible to have minidose barbs that have a mild affect like one beer. It might be really enjoyable for me, who doesn't want to get trashed, but usually barbs meant going 0 to 60. I don't see anything like that ever happening. Truthfully, a lot of drugs could be scaled back to a minidose scale, corresponding to one or 2 beers. Your Vyvanse falls in that category. Myself, I like cutting up 5 mg oxies and vicodins into fractions, that's the only way I take them and it's low key pleasant. I did used to do opies at higher doses but this is just better for my desire to be stable

Alcohol is a "dizzier" high and I've heard barbs called a "tight" high. That last one sounds right without be being able to explain that.
Anyway, booze feels more "solventy". Kinda feel like there's a little bit of the dissociative/anesthetic dizzies in there.
Not that I haven't loved my booze. But, as long as we are attempting to describe, figured I'd take a shot.

When I was a downer freak/alcoholic, my DOC was Valium, but only because of cheapness and availability. I liked barbs and Placidyl quite a bit better but couldn't buy 100 for $20 pretty much always. Doriden was nice and had legs. Didn't know about it's use with Codeine at the time, but the housewife who sold her script sold a Doriden and a Darvon for a dollar. I'd have loved to go around Dead show lots years later chanting, "A Doriden and a Darvon for a dollar." and, "Phat, kind, veggie, burritos" of course.

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"The service had begun. The dedicated soma tablets were placed in the centre of the table. The loving cup of strawberry ice-cream soma was passed from hand to hand and, with the formula, “I drink to my annihilation,” twelve times quaffed."
Brave New World
Aldous Huxley

 

[JackARoe]

Basically, the low quality of the stuff was one significant factor in my not relapsing. It felt like there was nothing to relapse onto anyway.

Funny enough my last time buying street dope was 1991. It was all good back then. Was making the news that it is so potent it can be smoked. lol That was the tagline. But all along when I quit I had it in the back of my head that it exists should I ever want to relapse. Well by 2010 I knew fentanyl took over so I knew there was very little chance of me going to the street now. I would use poppy products over anything from the street.

@itgiawa , your thread has become one of those run away threads but that is not always a bad thing. It is popular.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I think you can't ignore the physical effects of Alcohol's metabolism that create a different experience. This experience is easily more complicated by factors like stomach the quality and quantity of stomach contents.

Each situation is different to some degree. Also, you have different drinks, different strengths and a litany of both real and not real perceived effects of drinking different varieties of beverage i.e. Tequila vs. Vodka and so forth.

This all contributes to an atmosphere of chaos when more than a certain amount of Alcohol is consumed. The advent of bodycam videos on youtube is an accurate representation of everyone being reduced to infancy when they get past a certain point.

Said videos have really made me think a lot more about drunk driving in general. It is a strange set of laws and expectations. This is not a "drug law" per se. I'm pretty sure every BL'er reading this right now would be morally/ethically against driving while impaired, even if, like me, you've done it multiple times and been convicted of it once. You're commandeering a 1-2 ton steel missile when you're not even able to walk to it properly.

Maybe I'm just turning into a big fat square and should be sent out of the forums backward and blindfolded on a donkey, but I think the laws need to be more severe. I don't want more punishment. I feel like people need to have it in their heads clearly that they can enjoy 1 drink before getting behind the wheel or something like that. Make the limit 0.2 as i commonly is for minors. I feel like society makes a big joke out of DUI, like "do you have a criminal record?" at a job interview and you say "no, just a DUI" and you both shake hands and reminisce, yet, when a person runs into a minivan full of children, they are absolutely crucified by public and private opinion. It's no surprise that a lot of the people who will hurl harsh judgement at these people also drive drunk.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand:

We went from an Oxycontin epidemic, there were fatalities. We then headed into the Heroin epidemic, there were even more deaths. The Fentanyl crisis came, we now have a level of death that literally could not have been predicted in anyone's dreams. We also now have substances in the drugs that actively cause people's bodies to rot .

There are solutions to these problems. Scientists and doctors with more balls than most decided to try radical solutions to their Opiate problems. We have had doctors/scientists throughout history who have chosen to do the right thing, what they believe is best, risking everything up to their lives to help those in society who most wish would just disappear.

The British prescribed Heroin in a relatively successful manner until after WW2 when the US forced their moralistic drug policy upon them. Switzerland ended an epidemic that they essentially ended through a similarly radical approach. Portugal has dived headfirst into a comprehensive Harm Reduction policy that has helped curb rates of HIV and helped many pursue lives of substance (no pun intended guys).

Any politician who knows what he is talking about, but gets up on their podium to cry with the Mothers and ask God to give them the answers are full of shit. Others had the answers a long time ago. They had answers that were based on their beliefs, their research and their science. They risked everything for these addicts and it paid off.

Any politician in the United States who says they care but are unwilling to change their ways get zero sympathy from me. Their systems are based upon morals. Their system is unquantifiable. Their system is archaic. It is everything wrong with humanity; people being too afraid to put their own well-being on the line for others.

If they cared, they would implement the changes.

Everyone reading this both in the United States and beyond (The DEA's reach is global) needs to be aware of the situation that could very likely occur in the near future.

We have been living under a liberal government for 4 years. Trump was just a speedbump in what has been an essentially liberal approach to politics.. We have now elected Donald Trump to his second total term in office. We all know what kind of man he is. He likes power. He was born into wealth. There is no eventuality in this universe in which Donald Trump could've ben on the street as a Fentanyl addict treating open wounds on his legs. His life has taught him that this could never happen to him because he is better, smarter, faster and more cunning than most.

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I think you can't ignore the physical effects of Alcohol's metabolism that create a different experience. This experience is easily more complicated by factors like stomach the quality and quantity of stomach contents.



Each situation is different to some degree. Also, you have different drinks, different strengths and a litany of both real and not real perceived effects of drinking different varieties of beverage i.e. Tequila vs. Vodka and so forth.



This all contributes to an atmosphere of chaos when more than a certain amount of Alcohol is consumed. The advent of bodycam videos on youtube is an accurate representation of everyone being reduced to infancy when they get past a certain point.



Said videos have really made me think a lot more about drunk driving in general. It is a strange set of laws and expectations. This is not a "drug law" per se. I'm pretty sure every BL'er reading this right now would be morally/ethically against driving while impaired, even if, like me, you've done it multiple times and been convicted of it once. You're commandeering a 1-2 ton steel missile when you're not even able to walk to it properly.



Maybe I'm just turning into a big fat square and should be sent out of the forums backward and blindfolded on a donkey, but I think the laws need to be more severe. I don't want more punishment. I feel like people need to have it in their heads clearly that they can enjoy 1 drink before getting behind the wheel or something like that. Make the limit 0.2 as i commonly is for minors. I feel like society makes a big joke out of DUI, like "do you have a criminal record?" at a job interview and you say "no, just a DUI" and you both shake hands and reminisce, yet, when a person runs into a minivan full of children, they are absolutely crucified by public and private opinion. It's no surprise that a lot of the people who will hurl harsh judgement at these people also drive drunk.



Anyway, back to the topic at hand:



We went from an Oxycontin epidemic, there were fatalities. We then headed into the Heroin epidemic, there were even more deaths. The Fentanyl crisis came, we now have a level of death that literally could not have been predicted in anyone's dreams. We also now have substances in the drugs that actively cause people's bodies to rot .



There are solutions to these problems. Scientists and doctors with more balls than most decided to try radical solutions to their Opiate problems. We have had doctors/scientists throughout history who have chosen to do the right thing, what they believe is best, risking everything up to their lives to help those in society who most wish would just disappear.



The British prescribed Heroin in a relatively successful manner until after WW2 when the US forced their moralistic drug policy upon them. Switzerland ended an epidemic that they essentially ended through a similarly radical approach. Portugal has dived headfirst into a comprehensive Harm Reduction policy that has helped curb rates of HIV and helped many pursue lives of substance (no pun intended guys).



Any politician who knows what he is talking about, but gets up on their podium to cry with the Mothers and ask God to give them the answers are full of shit. Others had the answers a long time ago. They had answers that were based on their beliefs, their research and their science. They risked everything for these addicts and it paid off.



Any politician in the United States who says they care but are unwilling to change their ways get zero sympathy from me. Their systems are based upon morals. Their system is unquantifiable. Their system is archaic. It is everything wrong with humanity; people being too afraid to put their own well-being on the line for others.



If they cared, they would implement the changes.



Everyone reading this both in the United States and beyond (The DEA's reach is global) needs to be aware of the situation that could very likely occur in the near future.



We have been living under a liberal government for 4 years. Trump was just a speedbump in what has been an essentially liberal approach to politics.. We have now elected Donald Trump to his second total term in office. We all know what kind of man he is. He likes power. He was born into wealth. There is no eventuality in this universe in which Donald Trump could've ben on the street as a Fentanyl addict treating open wounds on his legs. His life has taught him that this could never happen to him because he is better, smarter, faster and more cunning than most.



I predict he is going to unleash some serious bullshit on the less-fortunate members of our society. If there, are any of you struggling with life right now, maybe you're addicted, homeless or even just mentally ill. Maybe you've been procrastinating on the day when you'll finally throw it all in the pot and attempt recovery. It's easy for us to keep pushing that day back. I'm telling you, if you have any desire to try to get clean, get better or maybe you just wanna stop smoking crack; if you want to try to improve your life, do so while you can.

I know life has seemed miserable and difficult for a lot of us. It really kills me to say this, but things can be so, so much worse for addicts in this world. Post replyIn the developing world, for instance Afghanistan, the Taliban will bring an old school bus down to the river, round up all the junkies they can catch and throw them in cells to think about things for a few months. If you think this can't happen in America, you're wrong.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Said videos have really made me think a lot more about drunk driving in general. It is a strange set of laws and expectations. This is not a "drug law" per se. I'm pretty sure every BL'er reading this right now would be morally/ethically against driving while impaired, even if, like me, you've done it multiple times and been convicted of it once. You're commandeering a 1-2 ton steel missile when you're not even able to walk to it properly.

Your reply was placing itself D[oing]UI, that was obvious.
Lucky not on a road in a car.

Completely agree, as i have been wrongly accused of DUI. With my kids.
A big fat lie ok why, i have no car, no licence, there wasn t even evidence for it.
Besides unlike the Police, i am honoust and have integrity. They don t.
Wonder bout their average IQ, certainly under 60/ 70 max.

Did cost me visiting rights, as a notification made is not checked for proof.
So basically the Cops broke my Children s rights,
and played Cop judge and Prosecutor.

Cars are killing weapons in hand of some sober people,
so DUI of any downer/ disso/ recreative Opiod dose. A crime.
Attempt at murder imo. The reason i wont ride my bike at night.
Weekend s especially ! 50 % is DUI, wild guess/ no Cops.

 

[azurefire]

Pssshhh... here is something from me and take it with a giant grain of salt. The time I was best in control of my car is when I was on at least 60-120mg of dextroamphetmine. I coulden;t get out of bed without it even before I had an "addiction" I come from a state where pot means jail so I was out of options but that was somehow a legimate answer to how I was feeling and it "worked" for a certain period of time. Until I found phenibut and even before all this I was interested in psychedelics and you know the story of the AA book right? That dude coulden't quit until he had LSD then he snowed everyone and got paid for it!!

 

[azurefire]

Pssshhh... here is something from me and take it with a giant grain of salt. The time I was best in control of my car is when I was on at least 60-120mg of dextroamphetmine. I coulden;t get out of bed without it even before I had an "addiction" I come from a state where pot means jail so I was out of options but that was somehow a legimate answer to how I was feeling and it "worked" for a certain period of time. Until I found phenibut and even before all this I was interested in psychedelics and you know the story of the AA book right? That dude coulden't quit until he had LSD then he snowed everyone and got paid for it!!

I want to add, I can drive now, over 2 years sober from anything "hard" that is a requirement and I can get in my car and feel "ok" I hope that helps someone. Because I never thought it would be possible again.