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Harm Reduction Concise mini-expose on the problems facing UK/EU with respect to harm reduction

I am pretty sure that the NA opioid situation is not the "IF" question but "WHEN" and at the same time thankful that nitazens and fent analogues are still not a thing here. They show at some random spot but disappear rather quickly. I hope that Canadian like HR/treatment approach will be established here before the shit hits the fan...
 
What i miss is why not provide these people with pharmaceutical grade (local produced) Heroine? Doesnt that plant has a amazing adaption capability to grow wherever its put in the ground?

No clue where the Dutch pharma dope comes from, but here you get it on prescription, after been through all other optional treatments. But our Heroin harm Reduction is almost the same set up as in the vid. Only you don't bring your illegally bought, possibly dangerous, stuff off the street to administer there. You get a medically covered measured dose, 3 x a day. Only difference no take homes, always have to be used in the facility. Which over here does offer some more privacy.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
What i miss is why not provide these people with pharmaceutical grade (local produced) Heroine? Doesnt that plant has a amazing adaption capability to grow wherever its put in the ground?

No clue where the Dutch pharma dope comes from, but here you get it on prescription, after been through all other optional treatments. But our Heroin harm Reduction is almost the same set up as in the vid. Only you don't bring your illegally bought, possibly dangerous, stuff off the street to administer there. You get a medically covered measured dose, 3 x a day. Only difference no take homes, always have to be used in the facility. Which over here does offer some more privacy.
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This used to be common practice in the UK. In fact there was a time when prescription diamorphine for addiction maintenance was widely known as the 'British model'. Look into 'The Heroin Solution' by Martin S Trebach. Seldom done these days, because of cost as much as politics, though there are a few stragglers out there still being prescribed it on the NHS.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
This used to be common practice in the UK. In fact there was a time when prescription diamorphine for addiction maintenance was widely known as the 'British model'. Look into 'The Heroin Solution' by Martin S Trebach. Seldom done these days, because of cost as much as politics, though there are a few stragglers out there still being prescribed it on the NHS.
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There are more countrys its still practized afaik. Must say our healthcare physical and certainly mental generally suck. But when addicted too Heroine maybe this aint such a bad place. It will most likely take a lot of time, effort and paperwork but if it runs and you follow the rules. I think your done, free Heroin, so a new start i imagine.

Must be beneficial on other fronts to. Win win situation. And if Papaver Somniferum grows well in clay, way more cold and less sun then Afghanistan. It grows about anywhere.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Any discerning Heroin user won't use that shit, the foolish Junkies will die off in a few months & the market will collapse because of no Heroin.
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Heroin has been almost entirely replaced with fentanyl in multiple countries and the above situation did not happen

RE prescription heroin, isn't Methedone pretty effective at staving off withdrawals? I'm sure it's not as fun but if you're getting it for free you can't be too fussy
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
Heroin has been almost entirely replaced with fentanyl in multiple countries and the above situation did not happen

RE prescription heroin, isn't Methedone pretty effective at staving off withdrawals? I'm sure it's not as fun but if you're getting it for free you can't be too fussy
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Their both free, only Methadone though less preffered offers more freedom, take homes.

Dia-Morpine must be taken on site, without exception. And with other things in your system, like illegal Heroin.
Just guessing they might check that. You probably get disqualified.
 
Whilst I definitely see there being an advantage to the smugglers, to the far smaller amount required for a high, albeit an inferior one, heroin is an industry in its own right.

Poppies grow almost anywhere and they're a great cash crop. Unless there emerges a true victor in the fent Vs H war (China Vs Afghanistan/Pakistan etc.) then I think we can count on them both being around for a while.

It's a shame that fentanyl will probably prevail though, as it is way more efficient for the seller.

It may make fentanyl/nitazenes the norm, and true H being like proper opium is now, rare as tits on a leprechaun.
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
Heroin has been almost entirely replaced with fentanyl in multiple countries and the above situation did not happen

RE prescription heroin, isn't Methedone pretty effective at staving off withdrawals? I'm sure it's not as fun but if you're getting it for free you can't be too fussy
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Prescription Heroin would satisfy addicts craving which methadone,imo, doesn't satisfy.

Methadone is good for stopping your withdrawals and keeping you opioid addicted. But, doesn't stop you from wanting H.
That's why prescription H is ideal. Never happen, though, beyond a couple of experimental trials. UK here.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
This used to be common practice in the UK. In fact there was a time when prescription diamorphine for addiction maintenance was widely known as the 'British model'. Look into 'The Heroin Solution' by Martin S Trebach. Seldom done these days, because of cost as much as politics, though there are a few stragglers out there still being prescribed it on the NHS.
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Its also common pratice in NL and Swiss, just no take home.
Use is allowed within the medical like site/ building.
The big cities at least i know have em.
Burpenorphine seem very little used overhere, never heard it.

While it is available in transdermal formulation medical.

ps:
saw a UK Pharmacist on youtube who handled the prescription s for Opiod addicts.
Who also made Pharmaceutical Crack, infused it in sigarets.
Never found that video again. Btw it was a old vid, not recent.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Its also common pratice in NL and Swiss, just no take home.
Use is allowed within the medical like site/ building.
The big cities at least i know have em.
Burpenorphine seem very little used overhere, never heard it.
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Yes I think the first I heard of the practice was when I read a relatively recent article (can't remember where unfortunately) about supervised injection sites in Switzerland and then when I was researching my dissertation I started reading about the history of it being prescribed in the UK.
 
@Shinji Ikari They doing it for years here, mostly the on site takin.
Here, UK [or did day have take aways in their more liberal Codeine/ DiHydroCodeine/ Promethazine and Morphine OTC country] and Swiss

Basickly being bound to a 24/ 7 3x a day medical program is the main reason its not very popular.
i d decline too !
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
@Shinji Ikari They doing it for years here, mostly the on site takin.
Here, UK [or did day have take aways in their more liberal Codeine/ DiHydroCodeine/ Promethazine and Morphine OTC country] and Swiss

Basickly being bound to a 24/ 7 3x a day medical program is the main reason its not very popular.
i d decline too !
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I think it was a take away thing in the UK at one point for some people at least. There was a woman interviewed for a vice article a year or few ago and she was collecting her diamorphine prescription weekly and administering it herself at home. I can see how that would be problematic for a lot, maybe even most people.

I've never been an opioid user so mine is a complete outside perspective, I can see how methadone would be a lot more practical for a lot of people.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
I think it was a take away thing in the UK at one point for some people at least. There was a woman interviewed for a vice article a year or few ago and she was collecting her diamorphine prescription weekly and administering it herself at home. I can see how that would be problematic for a lot, maybe even most people.

I've never been an opioid user so mine is a complete outside perspective, I can see how methadone would be a lot more practical for a lot of people.
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One of my earliest friends, who i lost outta side lot of times during life.
Last met him he allready had had his Crack period, was Speed Freak.
Found out later by the snorting sounds from the toilet and remains of white powder.
And munching about as much drugs he could get, lots of MDMA/ Weed wathever,

example of pre junkie behaviour: He tried to get 2 doses of aMT off me at 6:30 in the morning.
He rung my belll and me from my sleep and brought a friend aswell.
Asking a dangerous possibly and for him totally unknown RC, i denied and set him away.

Then a accident got him in the Hospitak where he ao got morphine .

Revoverd from a inflated Lung by the accident, then when in pain was offered or Morphine or Diazepam.
He choose the last, he didn t have to think, so must have known them to.

Fast forward, knowing both now he was more and more going downer direction.
Doing visits under influence of strips of Flunitrazepam and MDMA. Hustling for some extra money/ drugs.
And not knowing it later on. His eyes were closed/ almost closed only his mouth spoke.

I warned him don t please go that path and end up a street junky. Didn t help, it was just obvious.
Thats were i got all recent info from, old info from one of the last surviving junk born before 1950.

His father ! That friend is still alive i gonna look him up in while, before inviting him in my house.
[he used to steal and hustle, lucky nothing unforgiveable, didn t sell any unreplaceable things he was ok.
he took the crumb, loaned which were essentially gifts and other minor little things].

:heart6: that guy still, super musical, multi artistic like his dad.

And unique humor at least when not coming down.
 
dsd said:
Prescription Heroin would satisfy addicts craving which methadone,imo, doesn't satisfy.

Methadone is good for stopping your withdrawals and keeping you opioid addicted. But, doesn't stop you from wanting H.
That's why prescription H is ideal. Never happen, though, beyond a couple of experimental trials. UK here.
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Hard agree. It's also why so many people on subs still use H on the side.
My drug of choice was HEROIN. I was a heroin addict, not a methadone addict, and there's a reason for that. It's like being fobbed off with coffee substitute or fake caviar when you want the taste of the real deal.
 
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