Tryptamines Questions about DMT

[curiouskatalina]

Hi everyone , my boyfriend has felt called to do DMT for the first time so we are going away together to a little cabin in the woods soon so he can do it, I will be his tripsitter , I’m not new to psychedelics, done a fair few shroom trips , acid etc.. but DMT hasn’t called me yet..

Firstly, we have DMT crystal, how much to do, is vaporising in a pipe the best way?

Secondly and the reason I’m really here,
My bf has a lot of unresolved trauma, he spent 10 years of his life in jail for drug dealing (has only ever used cannabis for himself , smokes about 5g a night at the moment)

He’s been out of jail for 6years and doesn’t do what he done before anymore. Lives a healthy peaceful troublefree life

BUT He has seen some horribly violent things, done some horrible things in the past before prison, and had a tough upbringing(had to be the man of the house, show no emotions etc) basically there’s a lot of darkness in there and he struggles to show emotion. I know DMT will help him I can feel it, however, I’ll get to the point

Could DMT or does anyone know of DMT making a person turn violent? I will be on my own in the middle of nowhere with him and I do trust him fully, I’m just an overthinker and know of the power of DMT . I want to be as relaxed as possible for him when he does it.. I just want to understand more, how will it likely look from my end as the sober person, and what should I do/not do? What to look out for? What to expect even? Any information welcome!!
Thanks in advance xx

 

[Didgital]

Could DMT or does anyone know of DMT making a person turn violent?

After observing 1000s of DMT trips, I have never seen anyone turn violent from DMT . The one exception was an ayahuasca trip where a girl completely lost her shit. She wasn't being intentionally violent but she had to be restrained. With smoked dmt I have never seen anyone intentionally violent. For me at least, it is usually quite peaceful.

how will it likely look from my end as the sober person, and what should I do/not do?

Hehe we can't really know for sure but I imagine his eyes may appear to go blank if he goes really deep and he may utter phrases like "oh my fucking god" "what the fuck" and the like.

Firstly, we have DMT crystal, how much to do, is vaporising in a pipe the best way

Probably the easiest method is to sandwich the dmt between some ground cannabis and get a good side ember super hot and take 2-4 deep inhales. Don't roast the whole bowl or youll end up burning a fair amount.

Another option is you can probably find a cup style oil vape pen at a local headshop. Something like this https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/divine-tribe-sz-crossing-lightning-pen.53557/
It's probably more efficient and effective then the sandwich method but you might not want to invest in special hardware if you're just dipping your toes in.

Last option and imo the least recommended is to smoke in a dab rig or oil burner (meth pipe) because who wants to handle torches and hot glass when you're tripping balls?

I would start with around 40mg, there's no need to blast him unto oblivion immediately. Just start slow, there's nothing wrong with multiple sessions though DMT does have a temporary tolerance. I can stay pretty high for hours if I just keep hitting it, but it becomes a bit difficult to blast off/breakthrough unless I take a 45 min break or so.

If you're going for a full on breakthrough everyone is different but you'll want to up the dosage . For me personally 75mg will get me quite deep but I can usually still see my surroundings. 100mg I have completely transported to other dimensions on a few occasions which is not recommended to a beginner. I say that because the process of reintegration back into normal consciousness can be a bit harrowing.

An example. One night i was with my best friend and we were doing tiny amounts of ketamine and cocaine. I am on the beanbag chair when he whips out his new cup style vaporizer and loads me a hefty dose of dmt. I don't hold back and I take two deep tokes. I am instantly transported to a dimension that I can barely describe. I forgot who I was, I had no body, I was merging with shapes and colors (kinda reminiscent of salvia tbh). I slowly started to return to my body but the sense of my physical being was extremely distorted. My legs and arms felt 20ft long my heartbeat seemed very irregular, and I felt like I was physically vibrating. I start to make out what I assume is my friend. "Dude I don't know what the fuck is going on but I think I'm having a medical emergency" He gets up alarmed and is checking my pulse and he says "You know you just smoked DMT right?" "No i have zero memory of smoking any DMT" He laughs and starts to get up but I pull him down on the beanbag chair and say "Please don't leave me, touching you is helping me remember what it is to be alive"

So that experience was a complete true ego death and not really recommend for someone just learning DMT. I have had some bizarre and alarming trips, but the vast majority of mine (+1000's) have been blissful and beautiful.

 

[Didgital]

Sorry my post kind of got messed up so I'll continue it in a 2nd post.

what should I do/not do?

Your job as the facilitator/sitter is to provide a supporting set and setting without directly interfering with his experience. Let him have his own experience. I would even be sitting off to the side not directly in his line of sight, if he needs your help thats different. If he is having a difficult experience, gently remind him this is an extremely short experience and he will be back to normal very very soon. For a very first timer, I recommend inside a quiet and comfortable cozy place with low lighting but a few weak colored lights. This is because when you close your eyes these backlights can serve for excellent visual stimuli that you can build fractals out of etc. If you are in a cabin, a fireplace is a great lighting source. I don't recommend flashing strobing lights, they are really quite unnecessary :D I do not prefer it in total darkness though that can be an interesting experience. I recommend either silence or preferably low volume gentle music. This is my favorite DMT track.

I think doing it in a cabin is a good call because urban noise can be jarring and distracting. Just be quiet and relaxed and he will be ok. If you're stressing it can stress him. Don't be asking him questions ie what's the trip like, unless he starts talking about it. Generally speaking I avoid physical contact to avoid distraction. If he wants to snuggle thats ok too, but remember it's his trip. I can get super snuggly (especially with 5-meo-dmt) and I once just want to merge/fuck/make love with my girlfriend but she wisely just turned me over and held me and I forgot about merging in a few seconds. I think snuggling (maybe even sex) could be awesome with the right partner but at least in that particular experience, I really appreciate that she did that for me.

You got this :D

DMT can be a very transformative and healing tool, but should be respected if you want to have good experiences.

Another thing I want to say as he becomes more comftorable with the expereince There is an oral option. if you combine DMT with MAOIs such as syrian rue or ayahuasca. This is generally not recommend for first timers without an experienced guide. It can get just as weird, but imo because it lasts longer the experiences are easier integrated and remembered. Because the trip is much longer however, there is more time for a negative reaction.

Hopefully this helps. I wish you and your bf amazing success and happy voyaging. We hope to hear back your results, and maybe just maybe, after he has amazing experiences, you will open up to the idea of trying it yourself.

-Also my credentials are literally thousands of DMT trips, mostly inhaltion but I have quite a few oral experiences as well. I could and should write a book on psychedelics in general but DMT is definitely the psychedelic I have the most experience with. I've sat with 1000s of people as well and never seen a violent reaction though I have seen some rough experiences (mainly with oral route).

 

[Didgital]

oh and @curiouskatalina welcome to bluelight!

 

[Mjäll]

Hello. Your questions are understandable, but the risk for violence is low. Nevertheless it is advisable to start with a low to medium dose, then try a higher one if desired. The experience can be repeated multiple times in one session.

I would suggest using a liquid vape pen containing a mixture of DMT and PG. That way he can titrate doses freely and not bother too much with technique.

It seems best to go in without expectations, simply minding your emotional state and breathing etc. DMT will help with neurogenesis regardless of any meaning derived or recalled.

 

[curiouskatalina]

thank you both so much for the responses!! Really appreciate it. Aware of myself and needing to stay calm and I think I’ll be able to do that , especially now.
I have felt called to do it but I’ve rejected it because it scares me! I’m worried I’ll ’lose My mind’ or not return back to normal after the trip it’s frustrating to be like this but the fear puts me in a bad mindset so I have rejected offers of it.

Someone once said it doesn’t matter with DMT like it does on shrooms , because it’s so powerful you’ll forget the fear once it happens and you’ll have the trip you need.. still scares me

Probably the easiest method is to sandwich the dmt between some ground cannabis and get a good side ember super hot and take 2-4 deep inhales. Don't roast the whole bowl or youll end up burning a fair amount.

Again sorry if I sound stupid but can you explain this like you’d explain to a complete newbie? Or a YouTube link or something? Sandwich it in /on what? I’m in the UK , what is a bowl? lol sorry!!!!

 

[Didgital]

Again sorry if I sound stupid but can you explain this like you’d explain to a complete newbie? Or a YouTube link or something? Sandwich it in /on what? I’m in the UK , what is a bowl? lol sorry!!!!

Heh it's funny because during that whole post I was really trying to limit my particular geographic slang to avoid this issue because I've no idea where a lot of people reside.

What I mean by a bowl is a smoking pipe of some sort. In the US, a bowl is usually referring to a glass or metal pipe for smoking herbs. A bong or water pipe can also be used.

And when I mean sandwich, Place a nugget of cannabis into the pipe so that the airhole is somewhat restricted. Layer the crystal DMT on top of the cannabis, and then on top of that place a layer of finely ground cannabis. So its a cannabis layer, a dmt layer in the middle and a cannabis layer on top. Hence the "sandwhich method". Also a tip is I tend to rotate the pipe sideways to minimize any DMT melting down the air hole.

You say your bf smokes weed already so it's not a problem. Slowly smoke the cannabis taking care to not torch it or at least let the cannabis catch open flame. Open flame is not considered ideal for DMT as it likely causes pyrolysis breakdown products. So ideally it is vaporized and not "smoked". One way to accomplish this easily is by partially igniting the cannabis and stoking a hot ember rather then torching it all at once. That's just my method though.

I would suggest using a liquid vape pen containing a mixture of DMT and PG.

Cartridges are my preferred method as well but it's kind of a more involved process if youre making your own. If you can get one though, they're nice because you can really ease yourself into the experience with very little stress or need to focus which I think is conducive to a good experience.

I’ve rejected it because it scares me! I’m worried I’ll ’lose My mind’ or not return back to normal after the trip

I wouldn't worry about losing your mind unless you have serious mental issues though I know a schizophrenic who actually does smoke DMT (He says it helps). Will you be the same person after the trip? That who knows. Any new experience can shape or change your perspective and DMT in particular can have a profound effect on how people view the world.

And besides there's multiple levels of DMT. A very low dose I feel is more of an instant anxiolytic (stress relieving) than a strong psychedelic. As your dosage increases both open and closed eyes visuals become stronger eventually to the point that you may become unable to recognize physical reality as you normally would. This is a very high dose though, and is not necessary to gain benefits. Low dose DMT can be very nice and healing.

 

[Didgital]

Here is good overall guide for different strategies to smoke DMT.

DMT ingestion methods

DMT in its pure form must be administered either by vaporization or smoking. This article covers a variety of different techniques which one can use to ingest DMT via inhalation.

psychonautwiki.org

And I see a video on YouTube but it doesn't seem to load right.

 

[Mjäll]

Someone once said it doesn’t matter with DMT like it does on shrooms , because it’s so powerful you’ll forget the fear once it happens and you’ll have the trip you need.. still scares me

That's incorrect. Both DMT and shrooms can be used at very high doses and produce extremely intense states. They are not the exact same, but they are very similar drugs. In terms of sheer potency by mass, psilocin is stronger.

The major difference is that DMT has a dramatically shorter duration due to being an easier target for certain enzymes in the body, which leads to not even being active orally unless these enzymes are inhibited (by a drug class called MAO inhibitors, after said enzyme). While one dose of shrooms last for hours, one dose of DMT without an MAOI lasts for a couple of minutes only.

Due to this shorter duration, DMT is more convenient for very high doses and the culture around DMT reflects this. A shorter duration means less risk of having anxiety while under the influence. The non-oral route of administration also means quicker onset of effect and higher shock factor. This does not mean DMT is more inherently "powerful" than shrooms - although i will say i personally prefer its high due to having a broader spectrum of interesting sensations. If you want one dose of DMT to last longer, combining with an MAO inhibitor will achieve that.

You may know some of this already - i'm just looking to clarify.

 

[curiouskatalina]

Thank you for your replies I’ll look more in depth when I’m finished work! I’m thinking it may be better to grab a DMT vape.. I do have access to these but I’ve heard they’re not as good , I got one for someone else and they said they didn’t feel much xx

 

[Mjäll]

Thank you for your replies I’ll look more in depth when I’m finished work! I’m thinking it may be better to grab a DMT vape.. I do have access to these but I’ve heard they’re not as good , I got one for someone else and they said they didn’t feel much xx

I wouldn't trust the dosage in commercially available ones. Making one yourself is more realiable, cheaper and not a lot of extra work imo.

Good luck either way - it is a beautiful thing to experience.

 

[Didgital]

Thank you for your replies I’ll look more in depth when I’m finished work! I’m thinking it may be better to grab a DMT vape.. I do have access to these but I’ve heard they’re not as good , I got one for someone else and they said they didn’t feel much xx

A lot the liquid vapes aren't very potent but as @Mjäll said you can make your own fairly easily. I always go with a 3:2g ratio of DMT to PG and that is usually quite strong. You just need a syringe to inject it into the cart.

 

[curiouskatalina]

Interestingggg! I make thc carts so I guess same theory. I’ll look into this!

 

[curiouskatalina]

What strength pg?

 

[Didgital]

What strength pg?

The pg should be 99.9% food grade very available and cheap. Heat the pg til 40-50c with stirring to help it go into solution.

 

[idle_curiosity]

DMT can also be used in a simple weed vape.

 

[chris_p]

Just giving my own input but I lost my shit on ayahuasca HARD but I took a really stupid dose and was working with pure dmt powder and harmalas with no scale. Smoking it straight is safe and can never go wrong in my experience but I would stay away with the mixing with maois as it is very unpredictable unless you know what you're doing. I've enjoyed all my experiences except for that one where I experienced something so batshit crazy I still cannot explain today it felt like the entire world had ended and all of existence had combined into a single sensory consciousness. I would barely call the experience 'negative', honestly I was enjoying it, but I was lashing out like a wild animal and screaming in tongues from what I remember, I honestly did not realize I was a human or the world around me existed. I was alone the whole time. I woke up with bruises from top to bottom, I hit my head many times on the floor and got concussions, wasn't pretty. Make sure someone who's experienced is with him

 

[pupnik]

In my mind, violence is the last thing to be concerned about with DMT, but if violence was the first thing you thought about,
why would you set up far away from help, isolated, and alone for something that lasts only a few minutes.

the nature setting is ideal for ideal plans and deep long journeys.

I think the setup is too much, and the concern about violence for whatever reason shapes this as a bad idea to go with at an isolated location.

Instead, since it is a learning curve you two are on, anyway begin it at your home, carefully and step by step.

make sure you have a milligram scale.

 

[PsychedelicSummer]

The basics, remember to breathe big and slow and be willing to accept whatever comes. Be humble. Have an intention.

 

[JackARoe]

Do any old timers that may have run into DMT very early on know what method was used to consume? I mean, I know the sandwich method was tried and true, and the only method I can remember looking back. I’m not even sure when vaporization became big. I do not remember people vaporizing cannabis too far back.

I asked this because I was reading the Reddit DMT forum. And I saw someone, probably somebody very young, comment on the sandwich method never works. Of course the next post was this was a person‘s favorite method. I imagine the sandwich method was the method that those large figures from the 60s used? I mean, when would the volcano have become public?