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Need Help Kratom withdrawal

Not sure if im being repetitive but i need some advice… I’ve been using kratom 2-3x per week about 1-2x per day around 2-4g in the morning and maybe a boost of 2-4 in the afternoon. Green vein morning, red vein afternoon. The last 5 days i have been doing it every day as im out of adderall and it seems to be a solid replacement. Today i woke up with about a 2-20 withdrawal just my body slightly hurting.. would anybody be able to suggest a taper plan so when i do get my adderall hopefully by the end of the week i wont be hurting too bad? I have gabapentin and clonidine to help but dont think the wds are going to get that bad but then again I’ve kicked a gram of OC a day for a year CT as well as subutex 16mg a separate time so i know how bad they can get. Just want to know what im in for…
Kratom is forgivingly easy to taper IMO, compared to other opioids. In my experience, you can just remove a whole gram per dose and not feel any withdrawal. It will be even easier once you get your addies back.

It's a little bit more difficult once you go past like 12-15g per day. But also not that hard if you have other drugs to compensate.

I would wait til you get your addies then start aggressively tapering.
 
Kratom is forgivingly easy to taper IMO, compared to other opioids. In my experience, you can just remove a whole gram per dose and not feel any withdrawal. It will be even easier once you get your addies back.

It's a little bit more difficult once you go past like 12-15g per day. But also not that hard if you have other drugs to compensate.

I would wait til you get your addies then start aggressively tapering.
Quasimoto to the rescue once again! 1 gram per day? Or per dose. So day one dose 1 5gs the day one dose two 4gs? Or one gram per week? Idk if that makes sense but let me know and I’ll elaborate. Youre epic for the help
 
Quasimoto to the rescue once again! 1 gram per day? Or per dose. So day one dose 1 5gs the day one dose two 4gs? Or one gram per week? Idk if that makes sense but let me know and I’ll elaborate. Youre epic for the help
Just take your total grams per day and cut 1 or 2 grams. Stay there for a 2-3 days*, then cut another 1 or 2 grams total per day.

I can cut even faster than that sometimes especially if I have other drugs like adderall, gabapentin, and clonidine. That's almost the perfect toolkit for kratom wds IMO.

* kratom withdrawal is quite short so your body adjusts to lowered doses very quickly relative to other opioids.
 
Just take your total grams per day and cut 1 or 2 grams. Stay there for a 2-3 days*, then cut another 1 or 2 grams total per day.

I can cut even faster than that sometimes especially if I have other drugs like adderall, gabapentin, and clonidine. That's almost the perfect toolkit for kratom wds IMO.

* kratom withdrawal is quite short so your body adjusts to lowered doses very quickly relative to other opioids.
You are the best… Talk about peace of mind. Just got off the phone with my doctor and again wants me on buprenorphine (due to consistency and sourcing he says) but I just know that withdrawal is hellish and long as I’ve done it. Would it be a different ballgame if I started messing with extracts or 7-oh? I’ve been dealing with unbearable nausea from the powder I’ve been tossing and washing…
 
Would it be a different ballgame if I started messing with extracts or 7-oh?
Yes, they are much much worse withdrawals, and they will jack up your tolerance so much you won't feel anything from powder.

I’ve been dealing with unbearable nausea from the powder I’ve been tossing and washing…
Try some ginger or a different strain/batch. The extracts also produce nausea.
 
Yes, they are much much worse withdrawals, and they will jack up your tolerance so much you won't feel anything from powder.


Try some ginger or a different strain/batch. The extracts also produce nausea.
Just made tea tonight. Simmered 1 tablespoon with 1/2 lemon in a pot for 30 minutes. Strained through French press then through coffee filter. Minimal nausea just need about double the dose since it doesn’t contain the powder after straining I’m assuming… red vein always feels sedating to me no matter the dose. Especially the red maeng da I just used. Is that how it works or am I just tired from my workout today…? Also would you happen to know if Amanita Mushroom would interact as I use muscimol for sleep as well but never mixed the two.
 
need about double the dose since it doesn’t contain the powder after straining I’m assuming…
Nah, maybe 20% more. You don't have to strain it so much, as long as you get the bulk of the powder out it should reduce the nausea.

Is that how it works
There are actually only 2 types of kratom. Red (sedating) and white (stimulating). Every strain, color, or name is just a variable ratio of those two. Green is 50/50 mix. Yellow is ~30/70. Gold is ~70/30. The rest is just marketing. 99.9% of kratom comes from Indonesia, despite all the names.

What is most important above anything is that you are getting high quality powder. Unfortunately kratom quality has absolutely tanked in the last several years. The stuff they sell in headshops is always trash. This could be contributing to your nausea.

Also would you happen to know if Amanita Mushroom would interact as I use muscimol for sleep as well but never mixed the two.
No, it won't interact with kratom. I love muscimol too.
 
Nah, maybe 20% more. You don't have to strain it so much, as long as you get the bulk of the powder out it should reduce the nausea.


There are actually only 2 types of kratom. Red (sedating) and white (stimulating). Every strain, color, or name is just a variable ratio of those two. Green is 50/50 mix. Yellow is ~30/70. Gold is ~70/30. The rest is just marketing. 99.9% of kratom comes from Indonesia, despite all the names.

What is most important above anything is that you are getting high quality powder. Unfortunately kratom quality has absolutely tanked in the last several years. The stuff they sell in headshops is always trash. This could be contributing to your nausea.


No, it won't interact with kratom. I love muscimol too.
You’re a legend. Thank you again for the info!!

Do you have a good method for straining? How long to simmer in pot for? A little lemon too right? Trying a lemon water kratom mix no heat and letting it sit overnight. Would love to get a good system going so I don’t need to brew a pot for 30 minutes 3x daily
 
Not really, sorry. Ironically kratom tea makes me vomit, I always toss n wash.

Lemon, or any acid, is needed because mitragynine is poorly soluble in water unless it's acidified. 20 min is fine.
 
Not really, sorry. Ironically kratom tea makes me vomit, I always toss n wash.

Lemon, or any acid, is needed because mitragynine is poorly soluble in water unless it's acidified. 20 min is fine.
No worries and interesting.. just goes to show how different we all are!
 
Ok mane… got 5mg XR Addie’s x 70, about 50 300mg gabapentin, and clonidine, all refillable scripts. Tonight I would like to have one last chill vibe with kratom before I jump off. Prepping for a psychedelic experience in 11 days so need to be non reliant on everything. You think you could help me with a plan? I need either kratom or bupe tonight tho and took kratom this morning…
 
This morning woke up with the sweats, body aches, etc the normal opiate wds but pretty minor. Nausea was the worst but been like that for days for some reason even on kratom… question is today I took 300mg gabapentin, 5mg dextroamphetamine, and 8mg ondansetron. Feeling okay in the head but body is fried. Still not good feel sick. Should I try a low dose of Kratom to see if it subsides and go from there?
 
Got bupe and trying cold turkey but can taper too! 2mg subutex so no narcan in it
 
I would just taper the kratom like I said instead of taking bupe. Just do like 2g in the morning and 2g at night or something.
I'm going to second this - bupe seems unnecessarily strong for a Kratom detox. If I were to suggest anything other than tapering your Kratom dose it would be Lyrica or at the very most something like Tylex or Solpodol 30mg/500mgs- ideally the former (ie Lyrica 150mgs BD) if cutting the Kratom dose is too much for you.

All the best - you can do it.
 
This morning woke up with the sweats, body aches, etc the normal opiate wds but pretty minor. Nausea was the worst but been like that for days for some reason even on kratom… question is today I took 300mg gabapentin, 5mg dextroamphetamine, and 8mg ondansetron. Feeling okay in the head but body is fried. Still not good feel sick. Should I try a low dose of Kratom to see if it subsides and go from there?
Ugh, i despise waking up to the sweats/chills, aches and that general feeling of abject panic etc. The 300mg gabapentin will serve you well in terms of mitigating the withdrawal symptoms.

Personally I'd stay away from dosing on Kratom unless you feel you really need too as you're also on quite a few other medications as you've mentioned - are you certain there's no interactions with those and the Kratom? You mentioned dextroamphetamine too...why are you prescribed that? You need plenty of rest mate. Healthy, natural sleep/rest so that your body and brain can repair itself.
 
I appreciate that and subutex is definitely way stronger then what I’m on, a few grams of kratom a day cannot be as strong as buprenorphine. Maybe in extremely high doses but not where I’m at. Just don’t like being uncomfortable as none of us users do, the gabapentin and adderall helped a ton but when it wore off I took kratom. Doesn’t do anything for me anymore without taking a dose that will make me nauseous so not worth it. Goin to try to get off. All prescriptions for different things. Opiates for chronic pain, adderall for ADHD/OCD, gabapentin and clonidine and backofen and methocarbimol for withdrawl, ambien and lunesta for sleep. I get it all… but, I don’t have access to real opiates anymore since I’ve overdosed in hospital they won’t prescribe them besides buprenorphine and in the US there isn’t any OTC like Tylex or any codeine. Only Poppy tea which I don’t use or have ever and don’t think I want to try… yet
 
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