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Tryptamines Syrian rue and changa

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Today I obtained some changa I plan on using during a trip and as an extra I got some of this stuff called Syrian rue with it. A person told me if I take the syrian rue orally before smoking the changa I will breakthrough in a manner impossible on DMT alone. I did a combo like this a very long time ago with magic mushrooms and I remember absolutely going nuts and ever since then I've wanted to do it again. I also remember smoking weed and taking benzos with the rue too and they were MUCH stronger than usual, almost any drug I take with it becomes x10 longer and x10 stronger. Anyone tried this specific combo with DMT? I can't find much online except for oral usage. I was also planning on taking the rue with mescaline but I may not do this as I heard mescaline is a stimulant which is very dangerous with MAOIs

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I've never taken changa but I've done ayahuasca with syrian rue and mimosa hostilis, which from what I've heard is pretty similar. If you're just smoking the plant matter and no any freebase you won't have a breakthrough, but you'll get a great 4-6 hour trip with a fairly clear and rational headspace and unique visuals.
 
I've never taken changa but I've done ayahuasca with syrian rue and mimosa hostilis, which from what I've heard is pretty similar. If you're just smoking the plant matter and no any freebase you won't have a breakthrough, but you'll get a great 4-6 hour trip with a fairly clear and rational headspace and unique visuals.
It's a herb sprayed with DMT, it's 50% dmt by weight
 
Do the plants contain any DMT themselves or are they non-psychoactive and just sprayed? If they're psychoactive on their own the nature of the trip could definitely be altered by other tryptamines like nmt in the plants.
 
Its b caapi vine
Caapi is already a MAOI so you probably don't even need the rue. You would get more inhibition and stronger effects if you took some rue 20 minutes or so before smoking the changa, but personally I find oral rue to taste pretty disgusting and with so much DMT sprayed onto the caapi you could probably just get away with smoking it and not taking any rue.
 
Today I obtained some changa I plan on using during a trip and as an extra I got some of this stuff called Syrian rue with it. A person told me if I take the syrian rue orally before smoking the changa I will breakthrough in a manner impossible on DMT alone. I did a combo like this a very long time ago with magic mushrooms and I remember absolutely going nuts and ever since then I've wanted to do it again. I also remember smoking weed and taking benzos with the rue too and they were MUCH stronger than usual, almost any drug I take with it becomes x10 longer and x10 stronger. Anyone tried this specific combo with DMT? I can't find much online except for oral usage. I was also planning on taking the rue with mescaline but I may not do this as I heard mescaline is a stimulant which is very dangerous with MAOIs

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Isn t Mimosa Tenuiflora extract basickly like Changa, Changa being a combo of a DMT and β-carboline containing plant ?
Don t get the addition of more β-carboline with syrian Rue. whats the reasoning, MAO-i inhihibition has a ceiling.
So basicly if your Changa is right yo want to trip also on β-carbolines.

"However, to date no β-carbolines such as harmala alkaloids have been detected in Mimosa tenuiflora decoctions,
yet the Jurema is used in combination with several plants.
This presents challenges to the pharmacological understanding of how DMT from the plant is rendered orally active as an entheogen, ..."

So you ll need just one type of Tree bark, instead of mixing two plants ?

Why not convert harmaline to THH, not a real MAO-i but some member wrote Mescaline like.
Thats also getting far but at least makes more sense. No clue how Syrian Rue is like, might be pleasant.
But afaik its effects are not the main reason,
making DMT oral active is the goal, the rest comes with the package.
 
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HOLY.... I may need decades to process what I have just witnessed. Not sure if the rue affected things besides making it feel much longer. I saw so much shit it's almost undescribable. A lot of strange faces everywhere and organic patterns. I think I've seen it all at this point
 
HOLY.... I may need decades to process what I have just witnessed. Not sure if the rue affected things besides making it feel much longer. I saw so much shit it's almost undescribable. A lot of strange faces everywhere and organic patterns. I think I've seen it all at this point
How did it compare to ayahuasca or DMT freebase?
 
How did it compare to ayahuasca or DMT freebase?
Ayahuasca was more flowy kind of visuals like shrooms its not in your face and solid. Ayahuasca was the first psychedelic I ever tried fond memories. I've never smoked freebase, only ever smoked changa, I don't own a vaporizer for that matter. Compared to smoking changa on its own it's far longer lasting. A normal trip is maybe 8 minutes max. Taking syrian rue beforehand turns it into an hour or two. The difference is massive
 
Ayahuasca was more flowy kind of visuals like shrooms its not in your face and solid. Ayahuasca was the first psychedelic I ever tried fond memories. I've never smoked freebase, only ever smoked changa, I don't own a vaporizer for that matter. Compared to smoking changa on its own it's far longer lasting. A normal trip is maybe 8 minutes max. Taking syrian rue beforehand turns it into an hour or two. The difference is massive

8 minutes sounds like "enhanced leaf" not changa.

I.e herb with DMT. So maybe you've essentially smoked freebase.

Vaping harmala alkaloids along with DMT should prolong it to 30-40 minutes or something. 8 minutes is in the short end of a vaped DMT experience without MAOI.
 
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