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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2
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No offense, and I might be wrong but a common method was p-benzoquinone via Wacker oxidation chemically it sounds like that to me but I might be totally off base here.So I don't love this thread but I came across a sample of MDA (not MDMA) that had a small impurity of something.. It's basically MDMA but an isoquinoline. The link shows a very similar compound, but the one I detected has a methyl on the nitrogen.
I wonder how this could have been made?
Otherwise your answer is probably in here?
D.R. Dalton; Stephen I. Miller; Cecile K. Dalton; J.Kenneth Crelling (1971). The synthesis of 1-(o-nitrobenzyl)-4-hydroxy-6,7-methylenedioxy-1,2,3,4-tetrahydroisoquinoline. A general synthesis of 1-substituted-4-oxygenated-1,2,3,4-tetrahydroisoquinolines. , 12(7), 575–577. doi:10.1016/s0040-4039(01)96500-1
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I’ve never heard of isoquinolones… Is it true that most are anesthetics? any recreational value? Can’t find much info so if anyone has reading that would be cool.
Also since it was an impurity in MDA, is it possible that its presence was the result of a subpar synth? I don’t know anything about synthesis but it’s structure is basically methylenedioxy with two hexes rather than a hex and a pent.
Also since it was an impurity in MDA, is it possible that its presence was the result of a subpar synth? I don’t know anything about synthesis but it’s structure is basically methylenedioxy with two hexes rather than a hex and a pent.
growit&smokeit
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I guess this has been posted before but came across this paper today
'Last but notleast, the ECD spectra of the seized tablets were measured, and it wasfound that 11 of the 12 tablets contained a racemic mixture of MDMA.However, the content of (R)-enantiomer of MDMA was 63.6 % in case oftablet G. The standard deviations were in the range of 3.4–4.8% for allanalyzed tablets. Knowledge of the enantiomeric excess of the tabletswith non-racemic active ingredient could play an important role intablet profiling, as the same batch and tablet producer could be revealedfrom this analysis.'
'Last but notleast, the ECD spectra of the seized tablets were measured, and it wasfound that 11 of the 12 tablets contained a racemic mixture of MDMA.However, the content of (R)-enantiomer of MDMA was 63.6 % in case oftablet G. The standard deviations were in the range of 3.4–4.8% for allanalyzed tablets. Knowledge of the enantiomeric excess of the tabletswith non-racemic active ingredient could play an important role intablet profiling, as the same batch and tablet producer could be revealedfrom this analysis.'
what were you able to find out after reaching out to them?I am reaching out to Kykeon Analytics Laboratory to see if they are willing to help as this seems like a deeper unknown and scary issue we never took much consideration or look into. Anyways they are willing to help but if course you gotta.
Attached on their website has drop off sites for USA, Canada and EUROPE some free.
Here is a USA list
Harm Reduction Innovation Lab
harmreductionlab.com
Yeah benzos and alcohol suck.
Anyway, I think a lot of us that post on this thread agree with you. There's no such thing as mehMDMA.
However, we continue to troll the idiots that think somehow MDMA is magically a different chemical
Or - that mdp2p made from pmk-glycidate is somehow different than mdp2p made from saffrole
Or- when they don't get confirmation of their weird wackadoodle theories from multiple lab assessments, they look for the next lab or hatch some wackadoodle conspiracy theory that somehow the chemical is tricking the tests.
God I want to ask some of the people on this thread.
"How many layers do you use and are you folding them correctly when they make the hats?"
"Do you know that the shiny side always goes out, You have to have at least three layers of foil, And you always fold clockwise? Otherwise the hats are useless"
cafedelmike
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Childish insults are not the behaviour of a scientifically minded critical thinker. Do you really believe that government agencies, especially military, haven't the capabilities to make a tiny tweak that's undetectable to modern testing, but ruins the overall effects of the drug? Of course they have, and it's more than just likely that this is what has happened. The main reason for such a thing is to destroy the togetherness, the connection of the human consciousness. Look at what's going in in the world. Look at what they did in the UK with the criminal justice Bill. Look at the safole treaty.
The easiest way to break down the populous is to divide and conquer, and high quality MDMA was definitely seen as a threat. I've had some of the Dutch pressed super pills, which are some of the strongest pills you can get, and they are simply not quality MDMA. Being fkt and being truly high is not the same thing.
Ok this isn't Scientific, it's just anecdotal, but I've been around the scene since the early '90's and it doesn't matter how much you put in these pills, they just aren't the same drug.
Tin foil hat insults are the standard response from triple covid jabbed sheople that seemingly cannot entertain the possibility they're being lied to. Grow up, and wake up.
Just because you haven't got the technology to find the problem, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Most of the modern MDMA around comes from the same superlabs in various locations around the world. These labs are known about, yet are still able to continue producing despite their obvious illegality.
This in itself is a huge red flag.
What it needs is for a talented chemist to make multiple different batches of MDMA using all the main different precursors and methods used over the years, starting with, say, the Leukart method.
The proof is in the effects. The real deal will make you grin from ear to ear with full mydriasis no matter where you or what you are doing. The other stuff won't.
There isn't a way to prove this chemically until somebody accidentally stumbles on the issue and creates the detection protocol.
The easiest way to break down the populous is to divide and conquer, and high quality MDMA was definitely seen as a threat. I've had some of the Dutch pressed super pills, which are some of the strongest pills you can get, and they are simply not quality MDMA. Being fkt and being truly high is not the same thing.
Ok this isn't Scientific, it's just anecdotal, but I've been around the scene since the early '90's and it doesn't matter how much you put in these pills, they just aren't the same drug.
Tin foil hat insults are the standard response from triple covid jabbed sheople that seemingly cannot entertain the possibility they're being lied to. Grow up, and wake up.
Just because you haven't got the technology to find the problem, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Most of the modern MDMA around comes from the same superlabs in various locations around the world. These labs are known about, yet are still able to continue producing despite their obvious illegality.
This in itself is a huge red flag.
What it needs is for a talented chemist to make multiple different batches of MDMA using all the main different precursors and methods used over the years, starting with, say, the Leukart method.
The proof is in the effects. The real deal will make you grin from ear to ear with full mydriasis no matter where you or what you are doing. The other stuff won't.
There isn't a way to prove this chemically until somebody accidentally stumbles on the issue and creates the detection protocol.
You realize that the military or whoever would need to be able to detect the change that they made to the molecule, using modern techniques.... So no I don't believe what you say is true
The obvious and easy answer is byproducts left over interfering with ADME/pharmacodynamics of MDMA. It really is that simple.
The obvious and easy answer is byproducts left over interfering with ADME/pharmacodynamics of MDMA. It really is that simple.
ageingpartyfiend
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Not sure about the military angle, heh, but am convinced there's something different about it since the early 2000's (and not just the potential combo in the earlier pills with mda etc, I remember high quality mdma crystal having clearly observably different effects back then)
I didn't even massively overdo it in the past either, probably took it 30-ish times between 1995 and 2004. Have taken it under 10 times in the last 20 years, always tested high quality stuff - very disappointing every time, totally different experience to pre 2004
I didn't even massively overdo it in the past either, probably took it 30-ish times between 1995 and 2004. Have taken it under 10 times in the last 20 years, always tested high quality stuff - very disappointing every time, totally different experience to pre 2004
cafedelmike
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Of course!
What, you think they've haven't got technology more advanced than civilian facilities?
Then you really aren't that clever, are you?
Now, I've no idea if that is the real truth, it's just a theory. But it's better to come up with something than to sit back and insult people, whilst still having nothing to bring to the table.
Yes, it could be the impurities, and it could also be why the impurities left over from the Leukart method which are nearly all psychoactive, add to the exciting buzz of pre '95 clandestine pills.
The point is we don't know because we are being prevented from testing this fully with labs that have an underlying agenda we're not privvy to.
But being a long standing tinfoil hat wearer, my money is on the government's interference every single time.
Clever enough to understand current analytical technologies I guess. What do you think could be added that wouldn't be detectable by HPLC-MS and NMR? We can distinguish between delta8 and delta9 THC which is the difference of where a double bond exists...
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Well that's really got under your skin, hasn't it. Just like the tinfoil hat remark did to me!
I've no idea what else to add to the testing, my remark was off the cuff and referred to thinking outside the box seeing as we've exhausted current avenues.
Something is definitely off with modern MDMA. I've felt it, I just can't prove it.
I've no idea what else to add to the testing, my remark was off the cuff and referred to thinking outside the box seeing as we've exhausted current avenues.
Something is definitely off with modern MDMA. I've felt it, I just can't prove it.
Like a wolf blowing to a brick house, yes.
other users have remarked that there can be byproducts and impurities, these byproducts have been detected. the only way that we have exhausted everything is that we cant run a trial to test these impurities so we're just left to guess.
10ppm of Lofentanil contamination would do it.
Rectify
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The Only Good X Pills I've Had Since 2003 Were A White Grenade And A Blue Ghost, And I've Taken A Ton.
Around 2017, I Had An 8 Ball Of Molly, And Although I Feel Sure It Was Real, It Came Off Feeling Like Somewhat Weak dextro-METH But With A Lower Cieling.
Around 2017, I Had An 8 Ball Of Molly, And Although I Feel Sure It Was Real, It Came Off Feeling Like Somewhat Weak dextro-METH But With A Lower Cieling.
emkee_reinvented
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Well the postcount if is refrained to max a handd hopefully a finger.
But have mentioned MehDMA in other threads, It always have been around.
Agree or not all tested MDMA i took that was positive. Lab results on pills about [average] strenght.
Powder, its about purity, as you choose the dose.
There are basickly 4 types of unadulterated MDMA around ime25 years ago but.
1-st 3 pills. Begin with he worst, my opinion.
1. MDMA,but some how a bit toxic feeling, they dont tell/ test for impurities or filler.
Just all known active adultrants + MDMA and the ammounts. And the rest filler inactive presumbambly or left over byproducts. Who knows.
2. Clean but sudden hard hitting/,15/ 20 minutes,boom. Stimulating and fiending came faster down to.
Also more unnecessary bla bla bla. With strangers a.o.
3. Mellow hiting/ slow come up. Less stimulating but more controlled emphatic high. Liked these myself and my GF att,
80 mg being better then the equivalen of the 120 mg pills available also, that everyone wanted. But were nr. 2. imo and a bit 1.
4. Few times. Lab made supergrade MDMA powder, super pure/ the max. Almost like a slow upcoming psychedelic,
minus real psychedelics. But wavey, long lasting slow comedown no fiending. Weird shit imo. Bit of headfuck.
But it was 100% MDMA tested, and someone knowledgeable here confirmed. the described effects resembled.
Old skool MDMA.
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F.U.B.A.R.
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Nobody said that there's no such thing as high quality mdma anymore. Of course there is, it's just that in my experience, poor shit has become the norm.
I've said it a thousand times before, and I'll say it again. I still enjoy the so called mehDMA, but when I do chance upon a good batch, the difference is striking.
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I hear ya
I'm an MDMA elitist to the max right there with ya
I'm not even ok with the mdmeha