Can't use kratom anymore because of weird dizzyness/wobbles

[Quasimoto]

I've used kratom for many years.

If you get the wobbles from small doses you are likely using extremely poor quality kratom. Very poor quality stuff tends to give me the wobbles around the doses you describe, typically white/green strains. It's some alkaloid in kratom, but I have only encountered it with poor quality kratom, it could be an adulterant the farmers add. It could be some weird oxidation product. It could be contaminated soil, I don't know.

With good, clean kratom, I could take 15g doses and not get any wobbles.

With bad stuff I would get the wobbles with just 3 or 4g

This is also a problem with some extracts, too. However this is more rare. I only encountered this with extracts once.

 

[Kizaru]

Cool man. I'll try this with some lemon juice as it's the closest I have.

Super sucks to wd from multiple things at a time. Been there, well, kinda, just antihistamines and kratom, def not as bad an bnzs. A final thing to avoid the vertigo is to avoid caffeine as well as alcohol. A couple things that work for me like a charm for kratom wd; corydalis, magnesium, DLPA, blackseed oil, agmatine, and vitamin C.
I'm not a tobacco smoker unless it's a rare spliff with some weed that doesnt taste great, but damn if I don't love some hash. Definitely understand that you don't really want to just smoke hash though. Shits expensive.

Yeah i also heard from a friend mixing pure lemon with kratom and let it mix for like a hour makes the kratom more potent (he said it isn't placebo) i don't have bad benzo wd luckely , pyrazolam seems to be less physically addicting cause of its unique binding affinity to the gaba A2 subreceptor . I also take mirtazapine (remeron) its an anti depressant and want to quit but the wd symptoms are horrible after being on it for years and years . Severe nausia etc . I also did suboxone for a year and tapering that was way more easy then my stupid anti depressant . What a funny world. I know gaba wd can be horrible , was addicted to ghb for years which acts on the gaba b receptor and did a detox one time for that .

 

[Kizaru]

I've used kratom for many years.

If you get the wobbles from small doses you are likely using extremely poor quality kratom. Very poor quality stuff tends to give me the wobbles around the doses you describe, typically white/green strains. It's some alkaloid in kratom, but I have only encountered it with poor quality kratom, it could be an adulterant the farmers add. It could be some weird oxidation product. It could be contaminated soil, I don't know.

With good, clean kratom, I could take 15g doses and not get any wobbles.

With bad stuff I would get the wobbles with just 3 or 4g

This is also a problem with some extracts, too. However this is more rare. I only encountered this with extracts once.

Damn so much difference with kratom quality , i did take 5 grams and the effects are decent right now without thc . So i honestly don't know if its bad kratom because its a respected vendor . But with kratom you may never be sure

 

[daturetard]

Yeah i also heard from a friend mixing pure lemon with kratom and let it mix for like a hour makes the kratom more potent (he said it isn't placebo) i don't have bad benzo wd luckely , pyrazolam seems to be less physically addicting cause of its unique binding affinity to the gaba A2 subreceptor . I also take mirtazapine (remeron) its an anti depressant and want to quit but the wd symptoms are horrible after being on it for years and years . Severe nausia etc . I also did suboxone for a year and tapering that was way more easy then my stupid anti depressant . What a funny world. I know gaba wd can be horrible , was addicted to ghb for years which acts on the gaba b receptor and did a detox one time for that .

I've wanted to try mirt for a while, but never got the chance. Seems super novel but also maybe like it wouldn't be worth it... idk, I've never had the chance to take a new sedative (except fent or laced shit) and not, do I guess that just speaks to my character though lol. Yeah, antidepressants are super fucked, all psychiatric meds really are just thrown at children to reinforce "yeah I can just take this pill and it'll go away" to the current generation. It's fucked but hey, what can I do, you know? Interesting about that specific benzo... also, I'm super interested in how different gabaa vs b is. Just tried the syrup stuff you recommended and haven't coughed in a few minutes, so thank you for that. Oh! A other thing, your friend is right, sugars like honey and edible solvents like lemon juice create a sort of food 'matrix' (I think is the word) and increase bioavailability because they're easily digestible.

 

[Kizaru]

I've used kratom for many years.

If you get the wobbles from small doses you are likely using extremely poor quality kratom. Very poor quality stuff tends to give me the wobbles around the doses you describe, typically white/green strains. It's some alkaloid in kratom, but I have only encountered it with poor quality kratom, it could be an adulterant the farmers add. It could be some weird oxidation product. It could be contaminated soil, I don't know.

With good, clean kratom, I could take 15g doses and not get any wobbles.

With bad stuff I would get the wobbles with just 3 or 4g

This is also a problem with some extracts, too. However this is more rare. I only encountered this with extracts once.

The thing is my friend has the same kratom and no problems with it . Also on reddit it seems normal you can get the "wobbles" if its apperently strong kratom . I mean if you can take 15 grams without side effects wouldn't it mean its actually bad kratom since there is no effect ? I actually could take large dose of kratom without feeling anything from a bad badge from one vendor which had white bags and was pretty much ineffective (red strain) .

 

[Kizaru]

I've wanted to try mirt for a while, but never got the chance. Seems super novel but also maybe like it wouldn't be worth it... idk, I've never had the chance to take a new sedative (except fent or laced shit) and not, do I guess that just speaks to my character though lol. Yeah, antidepressants are super fucked, all psychiatric meds really are just thrown at children to reinforce "yeah I can just take this pill and it'll go away" to the current generation. It's fucked but hey, what can I do, you know? Interesting about that specific benzo... also, I'm super interested in how different gabaa vs b is. Just tried the syrup stuff you recommended and haven't coughed in a few minutes, so thank you for that.

If you have insomnia i would advice trying mirtazapine . The wd is bad because i am on it for many years but while on it i do not notice bad side effects from it . Compared to ssri's mirtazapine is alot better in my opinion. No weird sexual dysfunctions etc and good appetide . I also go to gym and don't bother the couple of lbs weight gain. But for insomnia mirta can be very effective and is alot safer then benzo's .

 

[Kizaru]

I've wanted to try mirt for a while, but never got the chance. Seems super novel but also maybe like it wouldn't be worth it... idk, I've never had the chance to take a new sedative (except fent or laced shit) and not, do I guess that just speaks to my character though lol. Yeah, antidepressants are super fucked, all psychiatric meds really are just thrown at children to reinforce "yeah I can just take this pill and it'll go away" to the current generation. It's fucked but hey, what can I do, you know? Interesting about that specific benzo... also, I'm super interested in how different gabaa vs b is. Just tried the syrup stuff you recommended and haven't coughed in a few minutes, so thank you for that. Oh! A other thing, your friend is right, sugars like honey and edible solvents like lemon juice create a sort of food 'matrix' (I think is the word) and increase bioavailability because they're easily digestible.

Yeah it works like this, benzo's work on the gaba a subtype . The gaba a suptype has more subreceptors . You have the gaba a1/a2/a3/a4/a5/a6 . The A1 receptor causes sedation and hypnoses this is also the subreceptor that causes tolerance and withdrawal . The gaba a2 is mainly for generalised anxiety and this is where pyrazolam binds to only in low doses . And even higher doses it mostly binds to this sub receptor hence why pyrazolam is way less physically addictive and its actually a crime it ain't fda approved in my opinion. Its a very functional benzo. If you don't rlly have anxiety don't expect to much from it

 

[Quasimoto]

Do you take any other meds? I remember I had a really bad reaction between kratom and either lithium or oxcarbazepine, I kinda forget, I think the latter. But it made the wobbles 10x worse.

 

[Kizaru]

Do you take any other meds? I remember I had a really bad reaction between kratom and either lithium or oxcarbazepine, I kinda forget, I think the latter. But it made the wobbles 10x worse.

Mirtazapine , if i walk i notice its there again i took 5 grams an hour ago and the effect is good but just the wobbles is there always . It rlly seems having something to do with just having abused it to long probally. Because i didn't have this when i started taking kratom and its same vendor

 

[Kizaru]

Do you take any other meds? I remember I had a really bad reaction between kratom and either lithium or oxcarbazepine, I kinda forget, I think the latter. But it made the wobbles 10x worse.

I did start taking cbd maybe that has something to do with it ?

 

[CuriousMeow]

I have read that depending on the supplier, that it might not be pure, or have "other" ingredients. I get mine from a fully vetted, supplier that grows their own in Cali. Reliable. I was nervous the first time I tried it, as I read that some people had panic attacks...speedy-ness. I take tablets and I love them. They grow their own plants, and that is the only thing you get in it. 100% NO FILLERS. 3rd party independent testing for alkaloids Maybe try looking for a different supplier.

 

[Quasimoto]

Ah, I forgot to mention, I have heard anecdotal reports from people who have visited Indonesia and have seen the growing process (they produce 99% of the world's kratom supply).

I believe the underpaid, poor farmers sometimes add in stem or veins into the end product. I believe this may be contributing to the issue of wobbles, but I'm just speculating.

 

[Kizaru]

Ah, I forgot to mention, I have heard anecdotal reports from people who have visited Indonesia and have seen the growing process (they produce 99% of the world's kratom supply).

I believe the underpaid, poor farmers sometimes add in stem or veins into the end product. I believe this may be contributing to the issue of wobbles, but I'm just speculating.

Ah, I forgot to mention, I have heard anecdotal reports from people who have visited Indonesia and have seen the growing process (they produce 99% of the world's kratom supply).

I believe the underpaid, poor farmers sometimes add in stem or veins into the end product. I believe this may be contributing to the issue of wobbles, but I'm just speculating.

It has nothing to do with the purity of it. How would you actually know yours is pure ? I mean any supplier could be not 100% pure .

 

[Kizaru]

I have read that depending on the supplier, that it might not be pure, or have "other" ingredients. I get mine from a fully vetted, supplier that grows their own in Cali. Reliable. I was nervous the first time I tried it, as I read that some people had panic attacks...speedy-ness. I take tablets and I love them. They grow their own plants, and that is the only thing you get in it. 100% NO FILLERS. 3rd party independent testing for alkaloids Maybe try looking for a different supplier.

Nah man other vendors its the same with red sumatera . I have done kratom so many times and it just changes . Just like suboxone is giving me permanent anxiety right now . I actually once had a bad badge of kratom and there was like zero effect and didn't cause wobbles . With good strong kratom taking to much and you start sweating /anxiety/puke .

 

[CuriousMeow]

Nah man other vendors its the same with red sumatera . I have done kratom so many times and it just changes . Just like suboxone is giving me permanent anxiety right now . I actually once had a bad badge of kratom and there was like zero effect and didn't cause wobbles . With good strong kratom taking to much and you start sweating /anxiety/puke .

I hear ya, but like with anything, suppliers matter. Have you looked at the ingredients? Does it say 100% pure? Is it 3rd party tested? Just something to think about. And are you getting it at a smoke shop, or a well known site/company?

 

[Kizaru]

I hear ya, but like with anything, suppliers matter. Have you looked at the ingredients? Does it say 100% pure? Is it 3rd party tested? Just something to think about. And are you getting it at a smoke shop, or a well known site/company?

But these are just the words of a vendor ? How would you actually lab test this ? Any vendor can put any thing on it . But lemme check

 

[Kizaru]

I hear ya, but like with anything, suppliers matter. Have you looked at the ingredients? Does it say 100% pure? Is it 3rd party tested? Just something to think about. And are you getting it at a smoke shop, or a well known site/company?

A well known site with high ratings .

 

[Kizaru]

I hear ya, but like with anything, suppliers matter. Have you looked at the ingredients? Does it say 100% pure? Is it 3rd party tested? Just something to think about. And are you getting it at a smoke shop, or a well known site/company?

Vendor with a 9.5 rating with over 5k reviews so i doubt its bad quality kratom .

 

[CuriousMeow]

But these are just the words of a vendor ? How would you actually lab test this ? Any vendor can put any thing on it . But lemme check

no they can't...If it is 3rd party tested you see the lot results. Where it comes from all the alkaloids in it etc. It does make a huge difference IMO If you don't get it from one of the top 3 reputable sites...you run the risk of fillers. The company I get mine from also sells plants. The same plants they grow in cali

 

[daturetard]

Yeah it works like this, benzo's work on the gaba a subtype . The gaba a suptype has more subreceptors . You have the gaba a1/a2/a3/a4/a5/a6 . The A1 receptor causes sedation and hypnoses this is also the subreceptor that causes tolerance and withdrawal . The gaba a2 is mainly for generalised anxiety and this is where pyrazolam binds to only in low doses . And even higher doses it mostly binds to this sub receptor hence why pyrazolam is way less physically addictive and its actually a crime it ain't fda approved in my opinion. Its a very functional benzo. If you don't rlly have anxiety don't expect to much from it

Yeah, it seems like the type of thing that might help my insomnia without causing seizures if it's rapidly stopped. Thanks for the explanation, too.