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Can't use kratom anymore because of weird dizzyness/wobbles

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Kizaru

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I have been a kratom user/abuser for over a year now . My dose and vendor was always the same (5/6gram) now i notice vertigo/dizzyness symptoms whenever i even take the smallest dose while before i didn't experience that ever . On reddit i read its called the wobbles and its because you take to much . How is that possible if i always took 5/6 gram while now 2 grams drinking slowely is giving me that? Its uncomfortable asf and i hate it . I can't stand these sudden changes in the effect profile and only doing 6 gram daily now but now i need to throw it away because the slightest dose is causing it . Its also weird kind of dizzyness not the usual being to drunk and the world is spinning . More like its inside of me and feeling i am on a boat at sea . I drink a few beers to calm down but it seems another permanent change in effect . The reason i just know its permanent cause of suboxone which helped me tremendiously for like a year and now its permanent anxiety with snorting the smalles amount . Why does this happen? I am angry asf .
 
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Have you tried extracts? They can be expensive, but you can make them yourself, everclear is pretty cheap.
 
daturetard said:
Have you tried extracts? They can be expensive, but you can make them yourself, everclear is pretty cheap.
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No man did you even read what i said? I have dizzyness with the tiniest amount . Extracts are way more potent compared to powder so why would someone even suggest extracts ?
 
Kizaru said:
No man did you even read what i said? I have dizzyness with the tiniest amount . Extracts are way more potent compared to powder so why would someone even suggest extracts ?
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Well, for one, you can get a calculated dose. Also, the majority of nausea is from the taste and non active ingredients. So yes, an equivalent dose of extract to powder will have less side effects. If you're gonna be condescending and douchey when I try and give you an answer, don't ask the question.
 
And maybe you just need to stop taking kratom if it is clearly being detrimental. My question still stands, and I'm assuming that you haven't tried extracts. You can literally dose them my the drop and they're more accurately standardized.
 
I only ever experienced dizziness / vertigo on higher doses. I have heard that some kratom supply is tainted with extracts and possible other adulterants as it gains in popularity.

If it is happening from the same batch that you had previously used with no ill effect it's possible your body is just not happy with you taking it anymore (this happened to me with classic opioids long ago - since then I am much more sensitive to them).

If it is new batches I would suspect that maybe something is being added to it or there are different alkaloids that are producing this effect for you.

In either case maybe it's time for a break from it.
 
Kizaru said:
Who is talking about nausia ? I said i getdizzyness/vertigo symptoms , i don't give one crap about nausia . Again learn to read please , also extracts are way more addictive and dependant . So who is the douchbag ? You or me ?
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My point still stands. Most of the side effects you're crying (its pretty normal to complain about bad side effects. Sorry) about come not from the active chemicals, but the other shit composing the leaves. Can you cite a source for full spectrum extracts being more addictive? No, you cannot. They're exactly as addictive as pure kratom at equivalent doses, because shocker, it's the same fucking drug.

People who take extracts are most of the time just looking for more of a high and generally take more than they would with powder.... because guess what? There are less side effects for an equivalent dose. You don't seem to know what you're talking about, and I'd say you're still the douchebag. I tried to answer your question respectfully, but instead of asking me to explain, you insulted my intelligence by asking me to learn to read. Fuck you bud.
 
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Kizaru said:
So you go from advicing extracts to suddenly "and maybe you just need to stop taking kratom" like for real bro ? Thats exactly what i did but okey😂
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You don't like the first suggestion, I offered an alternative.
 
JahBeeuS said:
I only ever experienced dizziness / vertigo on higher doses. I have heard that some kratom supply is tainted with extracts and possible other adulterants as it gains in popularity.

If it is happening from the same batch that you had previously used with no ill effect it's possible your body is just not happy with you taking it anymore (this happened to me with classic opioids long ago - since then I am much more sensitive to them).

If it is new batches I would suspect that maybe something is being added to it or there are different alkaloids that are producing this effect for you.

In either case maybe it's time for a break from it.
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Thank you very much for a decent answer i appreciate it . Do you maybe know if there is difference in consuming the kratom in one hit or taking sips? I usually just mix it with water and take it in one hit (this is what i was used to do because i feel the hit more ) i tried 5 grams now again to see what happens . Another vendor has sumatera red and it does the same.
Now i have red borneo from a respected vendor (trustpilot rating very good) if it does get worse i quit completely . I do think i have minor wd starting after like 24 hours mostly psychological symptoms . But since i have depression and anxiety i can't tell if its wd . I am sad i can't use suboxone anymore , i used it for a year to get rid of my ghb addiction which suprisingly worked . But even after quitted subs i get severe anxiety if i snort even 0.5 mg.
Why does this happen with opioides ? Its kinda like weed completely turning on you if you know what i mean.
 
JahBeeuS said:
I only ever experienced dizziness / vertigo on higher doses. I have heard that some kratom supply is tainted with extracts and possible other adulterants as it gains in popularity.

If it is happening from the same batch that you had previously used with no ill effect it's possible your body is just not happy with you taking it anymore (this happened to me with classic opioids long ago - since then I am much more sensitive to them).

If it is new batches I would suspect that maybe something is being added to it or there are different alkaloids that are producing this effect for you.

In either case maybe it's time for a break from it.
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The dose i took now seems to work decent, last night i also noticed with smoking hashiesj i get vertigo/wobbely symptoms . Could it be mixing any form of thc with kratom worsening the vertigo symptoms ? I also get anxiety from thc so its probally worsening it . You probally ask yourself why i would smoke if i get anxiety from it , well addiction and i was always a fanatic smoker . So bad that i would just smoke thrue the anxiety , but since getting older my brain starts to defend itself more and more :(
 
Kizaru said:
Yeah i got sand in my vagina to atm :) thats a funny one though . I have heard it one time before from one specific friend lmao 🫢
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Maybe we're soul mates, or real life friends... opposites attract ;) on a real note though, I think I got it from either south park, or my dad, who, knowing him, got it from south park, lol.
Kizaru said:
From what are you sick? Flu or something or withdrawal related shit ?
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I honestly have no clue what sickness but I've had a cough that sounds like nails on a chalk board and haven't really gone out much on account of being scared of getting others sick or being looked at like I will. Took a covid test and it's not that, but it's definitely no fun, as well as contagious as a member of my family has it sadly... but no, no hardcore withdrawals recently. Thanks for the concern. Would you happen to be in withdrawal?
 
daturetard said:
Maybe we're soul mates, or real life friends... opposites attract ;) on a real note though, I think I got it from either south park, or my dad, who, knowing him, got it from south park, lol.

I honestly have no clue what sickness but I've had a cough that sounds like nails on a chalk board and haven't really gone out much on account of being scared of getting others sick or being looked at like I will. Took a covid test and it's not that, but it's definitely no fun, as well as contagious as a member of my family has it sadly... but no, no hardcore withdrawals recently. Thanks for the concern. Would you happen to be in withdrawal?
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Hey i think its from south park then because that friend also watches south park and i never heard it before hehe . Bad cough sucks man , just relax and stay home . What can help is buy a lemon with some honey mix it with water and drink . Sounds like some bs thing that doesn't work but with my last flu and cough some years ago it rlly did help .
 
daturetard said:
Maybe we're soul mates, or real life friends... opposites attract ;) on a real note though, I think I got it from either south park, or my dad, who, knowing him, got it from south park, lol.

I honestly have no clue what sickness but I've had a cough that sounds like nails on a chalk board and haven't really gone out much on account of being scared of getting others sick or being looked at like I will. Took a covid test and it's not that, but it's definitely no fun, as well as contagious as a member of my family has it sadly... but no, no hardcore withdrawals recently. Thanks for the concern. Would you happen to be in withdrawal?
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Yeah i think i have minor wd , i take pyrazolam and tapering . Also minor wd from kratom (but i took 5 grams 15 mins ago and i feel pretty decent ) i think mixing the kratom with any form of thc is just worsening my wobbely symptoms or make me focus much more on it than taking it solo. I got a real smoking problem , if i don't smoke hasshies i smoke more cigs and vise versa :(
 
I've actually got a post about making a strong-ish tarry extract, which you can dissolve in your lip, in a tiny ball, as small as a rice grain, and feel. You can add other herbs to it as well, like coca or maybe ephedrine containing herbs, some of which are legal, such as sida cordifolia. These will stimulate blood flow which helps decrease vertigo and altitude sickness. Another herb you can use for the vertigo is bacopa monnieri, which is not a stimulant, but also potentiates opioids and attenuates tolerance as well as counteracting opioid toxicity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4945900/
Ginger (also helps with nausea)
Ginkgo (same reason as coca, increased bloodflow)
And, Alma, aka Indian gooseberry are also good for vertigo.
 
daturetard said:
I've actually got a post about making a strong-ish tarry extract, which you can dissolve in your lip, in a tiny ball, as small as a rice grain, and feel. You can add other herbs to it as well, like coca or maybe ephedrine containing herbs, some of which are legal, such as sida cordifolia. These will stimulate blood flow which helps decrease vertigo and altitude sickness. Another herb you can use for the vertigo is bacopa monnieri, which is not a stimulant, but also potentiates opioids and attenuates tolerance as well as counteracting opioid toxicity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4945900/
Ginger (also helps with nausea)
Ginkgo (same reason as coca, increased bloodflow)
And, Alma, aka Indian gooseberry are also good for vertigo.
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Oh thanks for this advice man i appreciate it .
 
Kizaru said:
Hey i think its from south park then because that friend also watches south park and i never heard it before hehe . Bad cough sucks man , just relax and stay home . What can help is buy a lemon with some honey mix it with water and drink . Sounds like some bs thing that doesn't work but with my last flu and cough some years ago it rlly did help .
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Cool man. I'll try this with some lemon juice as it's the closest I have.
Kizaru said:
Yeah i think i have minor wd , i take pyrazolam and tapering . Also minor wd from kratom (but i took 5 grams 15 mins ago and i feel pretty decent ) i think mixing the kratom with any form of thc is just worsening my wobbely symptoms or make me focus much more on it than taking it solo. I got a real smoking problem , if i don't smoke hasshies i smoke more cigs and vise versa :(
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Super sucks to wd from multiple things at a time. Been there, well, kinda, just antihistamines and kratom, def not as bad an bnzs. A final thing to avoid the vertigo is to avoid caffeine as well as alcohol. A couple things that work for me like a charm for kratom wd; corydalis, magnesium, DLPA, blackseed oil, agmatine, and vitamin C.
I'm not a tobacco smoker unless it's a rare spliff with some weed that doesnt taste great, but damn if I don't love some hash. Definitely understand that you don't really want to just smoke hash though. Shits expensive.
 
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