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Psychology IQ is largely a pseudoscientific swindle

Howard Gardner listed 9 types in his book but that's a 40 year old concept that's become known in the popular media.
  • Logical-Mathematical Intelligence
  • Linguistic Intelligence
  • Interpersonal Intelligence
  • Intrapersonal Intelligence
  • Musical Intelligence
  • Visual-Spatial Intelligence
  • Bodily-Kinaesthetic Intelligence
  • Naturalist Intelligence
  • Existential Intelligence
I'm not convinced it's an accurate range. MAYBE someone could map those onto Maslow's hierarchy of needs?

I think being able to contemplate questions to which their might NOT be an answer isn't useful for survival thus I suppose it could be placed in the Self-Actualization region )as an example).

I see this quite a bit in my work - most of the folks I work with are homeless and live in significant poverty. They are simply not focusing on higher-level needs because self-actualization does little for day to day survival, but they are often more adept at some foundational needs than high-resource individuals. My best guess is that some of these intellectual factors are refined during the first 20-30 years of life, as our personalities shape and are further defined by the connections between old brain and the frontal cortex.

Maslows needs: Biological survival (and species survival), role needs, social needs, esteem needs, spiritual needs. I don't know that there's a direct correlation between Gardner's map since they are looking at human attributes vs. Maslow's map of how humans negotiate the experience of living, living within a society, and dealing with the external and internal interplay that occurs.
 
I meant more that those supposed classes of intelligence might be aids to raising an individuals place in MHoN.

I do appreciate that capitalism being what it is, poverty and homelessness are traps, The homeless don't vote so few people care about solving the political problem.

It was interesting that during COVID lockdown, local councils were legally required to place every homeless person into temporary accommodation without exception and it happened. We were able to arrange for those with medical problems to see a doctor and those struggling with drug and alcohol problems to see an appropriate drug agency.

My wife does outreach work for the homeless and I organize temporary accommodation. We still lose a lot of people.

Just because we can't always win doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try.

We noted certain common themes. People who had been brought up in children's homes, ex-servicemen, the disabled and people who were suffering from significant mental health issues and and as a result, dual diagnosis i.e. a mental health issue combined with drug and/or alcohol dependence; self-medication.
 
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The results showed that undergraduates’ IQs have steadily fallen from roughly 119 to a mean of 102 today — just slightly above the population average of 100. In short, undergraduates are now no more intelligent on average than members of the general population


 
Intellligence comes from stability, lack of constant stress, good homelife, good upbringing, good education, being with the right crowd, being financially successful (or at least getting there). That's intelligence. IQ means nothing unless it can be of some benefit to you.

Elsewise, it's only something that you can use for academic purposes, which works fine for some people, but for most of us, we want to get somewhere in life, and you not going to have a high IQ for too long if you are subjected to chronic stress, unemployment, poverty, abuse, and health problems that cause anxiety (see stress).

So yes, it is a pseudoscience. Whether it's a swindle is another thing. It's true, because it's based on intelligence and offers a good idea of the solving ability of the person, but I don't care bright I am, if I can't get anywhere in society then I'm fucking useless. That's the point, yeah?
 
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IQ inheritance: By comparing the brain scans of twins, scientists discovered that the quality of the fatty tissue that insulates neural wires is largely inherited. The parietal lobe, which is involved in logic and mathematics, is 85 percent genetically determined, whereas the visual cortex is about 76 percent, and the temporal lobe, which is involved in learning and memory, is only 45 percent genetically determined

 
Thing is: you have to measure mental capabilities in some way.

If someone knows a better way, they should do that, instead of writing a long-ass article about how terrible the current system is. It's in no way perfect, and I find it leaves out emotional and social intelligence, but it's a point to start. Could someone with a 2 digit IQ build a nuclear powerplant even with instructions? Probably not, and we can say that with a lot of certainty.

So it does something right.

It sure as fuck cannot measure how wise we are, or how emotionally intelligent. That's why usually, the people scoring very high on these tests often feel and behave like the stupidest person alive in social situations, as a lot of them if not most are on the spectrum.

But it definitely says something about our ability to combine, improvise, think logically, and so on.

All science is pseudo-science until it works. Look at gravity, Newton discovered it. Did he know what it was? No. Did he know what caused it? Fuck no. Did he calculate with it? All day long! Hell we STILL don't know WHY massive objects cause gravity, we just know they do. We can even say how big the gravity and time-dilation is on any planet we find. We just have no clue why it happens, or why gravity and time have such a strong relation to each other.

Neither do we fully understand the brain. And as long as we don't fully understand human intelligence and all its facets, we will never have perfect measurement tests for our mental capabilities. At least we can say someone with a high IQ will function well in a logic-based job, and someone with a low IQ won't.
 
Thing is: you have to measure mental capabilities in some way.
Do you really though?

We have all sorts of cognitive tests which are more than enough to show an individual's capability in various mental tasks.

Why are we boiling it down to a single number? Seems pretty arbitrary. Like a videogame score. I don't think any decent psychologist would administer an IQ test these days.
 
While I view IQ through the same lens I view stuff like Myers Briggs tests - one possible way of describing and organizing data vs. a proscriptive, universal truth - I do have an interesting correlate to this graph that I think about sometimes.

I am a psychotherapist whose primary influences come from humanistic psychology (Maslow/Rogers), Life Span development (Erikson), with modalities informed by CBT, and more broadly, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. While CBT and ACT have theoretic components, they're more applied in nature, while the former two are more theoretical in nature. If I'm not mistaken, CBT emerged in the 70s and 80s, and ACT is an evolution of CBT whereas Erikson and the Humanists were much earlier.

I'm mentioning all of this because I have been thinking recently about whether human intellect has peaked and did so in about the 1960s. In psychology, there really hasn't been a whole lot of new schools to emerge in the last 40-50 years, mostly just syntheses of existing schools. Most of the people I reference in discussing broad existential concepts with my patients are theorists from the early 20th century. While this is mostly a hunch, it is something I've seen represented in a number of different ways.

Obviously, this could be purely bullshit - I've not done much to confirm this notion. For all I know we've just mapped out all of the ways to understand psychological functioning and it only makes sense to focus on refining it. Perhaps I'm just ill informed of more modern theory.

I would also argue that there's another correlate to the drop in average IQs during this era - pollution. Whether it's plastics, androgen receptor blockers used as flame retardants, or even noise/electronic pollution flooding our environment with interference or distraction, the 1960s were a genesis point for plastics, modern computing, and increasing toxic environmental contaminants used in manufacturing and left to seep into our food/water.

There's been some indication that non-binary or trans-gender may be linked so some of this stuff as well. During pregnancy, hormone releases occur at specific times which signal the development of sex organs. While the blueprint is already encoded, it's not until hormones signal to the fetus to begin developing in one direction or another. It's a known issue that we use androgen interfering chemicals in a widespread manner due to their effectiveness as flame retardants. They're sprayed onto almost anything that is flammable and mass-produced. We are exposed to these things constantly. In isolated exposure cases, they are supposed to be present in levels below the "NOAEL" (no observed adverse event level). The tricky thing is that products aren't specified with the expectation that you'll have concurrent exposure from dozens of vectors in addition to the one that's being approved. While your rug might be within a safe range, your rug plus your curtains, plus your sofa, etc. cannot be calculated. These androgen receptor blockers have been shown to cause metabolic disturbances resulting in obesity, diabetes, and impaired cognitive functioning when high enough exposure is present.

Androgen receptor blockade may also play into the disruption of hormonal signaling that is being viewed as a possible cause for transgender identity. As signaling is delayed, the fetus develops along a certain pathway, only to have the signalling trigger sexual organ development later in the process, thus presenting as one sex, but with the experience of having developed for some time either without sex or as the incorrect sex. While some of the increase in transgender identities could be the result of more information available giving people the means to self-reflect in a way that was previously unheard of, this is unlikely to be the sole or primary reason.

Finally, I would argue that there is some connection between the increase in ADHD and Autism Spectrum Disorder that could be linked to some of these very same factors. There is a poorly studied and understood relationship between people with ADHD, ASD, and genderqueer identities, the overlap has been noted for some time within peer to peer analysis, but almost never studied by the wider scientific community. I am of the belief that electronic/noise pollution, environmental pollution, as well as an increased awareness of these conditions and availability of ways to manage them, are all contributing factors.

I honestly believe that these are all related to the same factors which have lead to lowered IQ averages in that time. It's hard to see impacts from within the effect window, but as time goes on we'll have a better sense of just how some of these factors maybe contributing to cognitive and hormonal disruptions.
 
We have to basically revaluate the way intelligence is questioned, because an animal in the wild can survive a lot longer than most people trying to live in the wild.
 
Sounds to me like you're doing some extrapolating there. The results are restricted to the years being studied, we can't make assumptions beyond that
 
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