Amphetamine after molly

[Pissed_and_messed]

I tried search but found nothing.

Anyway, I once tried molly with amphetamine. I found it just bland and uninspiring combination. I am not going to repeat that. But I considered taking assumed molly pills today at raves and then switching to amphetamine after 1-1,5 pills (I am going to start with half pill and go on from there, depending on how strong they are) are coming down.

I don't roll often, neither do much amphetamine nowadays, so I am not particularly worried about increasing neurotoxicity that I assume happen of pro-dopaminergic substances after molly, I bet my head can deal with occasional wild, questionable decision.

What kind of experiences do you have with this kind of approach? Does it add anything, does it make you feel great or should I just ride with afterglow?

 

[cosmosmariner]

Yeah, a lot of people find that amph kills their roll, even if they don’t combine them but have some amph tolerance when they roll.

 

[foodcrisis]

i can't figure out why you would want to do this... like a lot of people say coming off rolls is bad and don't even like to take meth with mdma starting at the same time cause the meth lasts longer.. i'd think you would want to be peaking on them at the same time, but you said you tried and didn't care for it... i don't see what you would get from taking the meth after being on the mdma for a while other than being on meth through the mdma come down and not being able to sleep... like maybe if you want to stay awake at a rave or something? but idk. i'd just want to relax on the mdma come down and eventually just go to bed.... i'd think taking the meth at the end of the mdma would just be like another entire day awake. i'd think sleeping helps the brain recover from the mdma. i know you're not worried about the neurotoxicity. i just can't imagine that being very enjoyable.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I've tried dexamphetamine and methylphenidate to keep things going. It is fun but the secondary stims take the place of the roll rather than extending it. Seems to exacerbate negative elements of the roll, bruxism etc and the comedown is certainly worse.

On balance you might be better off with a can of red bull to keep you peppy for an extra hour or two.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

like maybe if you want to stay awake at a rave or something? but idk.

This.

Also with OG amphetamine, not meth.

Raves actually never happened, I was baffled no one was there when I arrived to the woods, so I took solo roll, found some people, we got high together, no solo anymore, it was all fun, and somehow the ecstacy, was it more MDA or MDMA, or something else, IDK, made me fucking WRECKED, along with all the beer and edibles and bowls of green and I just finally passed out. Absolutely no need for speed.

It seems like it is nothing to write home about according to most people here, thank you, but I might some day try amphetamine after molly. I have found that one dose of molly keeps me pretty content at least 5 hours if I smoke enough weed to keep trip going on, or even 6 hours with double-dose but I might some day feel like I want new kind of a kick or something.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

This.

Also with OG amphetamine, not meth.

Raves actually never happened, I was baffled no one was there when I arrived to the woods, so I took solo roll, found some people, we got high together, no solo anymore, it was all fun, and somehow the ecstacy, was it more MDA or MDMA, or something else, IDK, made me fucking WRECKED, along with all the beer and I just finally passed out. Absolutely no need for speed.

It seems like it is nothing to write home about according to most people here, thank you, but I might some day try amphetamine after molly. I have found that one dose of molly keeps me pretty content at least 5 hours if I smoke enough weed to keep trip going on, or even 6 hours with double-dose but I might some day feel like I want new kind of a kick or something.

Fwiw I think a very small dose of amphetamine taken alongside the MDMA can give things a nice boost and help to guarantee a high energy 'lets go out and dance roll' rather than a dreamy dozy 'lets stay at home and cuddle roll', if that makes sense. Back in the day I think it was quite common for pills to contain base amphetamine as well as MDMA.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I tried search but found nothing.

Anyway, I once tried molly with amphetamine. I found it just bland and uninspiring combination. I am not going to repeat that. But I considered taking assumed molly pills today at raves and then switching to amphetamine after 1-1,5 pills (I am going to start with half pill and go on from there, depending on how strong they are) are coming down.

I don't roll often, neither do much amphetamine nowadays, so I am not particularly worried about increasing neurotoxicity that I assume happen of pro-dopaminergic substances after molly, I bet my head can deal with occasional wild, questionable decision.

What kind of experiences do you have with this kind of approach? Does it add anything, does it make you feel great or should I just ride with afterglow?

Well not exactly harm reduction. But if, n general is not really healthy you probably know just as well as i. I would ratherr do it the other way around. MDMA after a sleepless night on speed is quite an experience (compared to solely takin MDMA), And completely kill's my need for speed YMMV.

Speed after MDMA besides not being that pleasant, except if you prefer speed, which to me seems weird but everyone is different.. But if looking at the fac's its more neurotoxic in that order.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

This.

Also with OG amphetamine, not meth.

Raves actually never happened, I was baffled no one was there when I arrived to the woods, so I took solo roll, found some people, we got high together, no solo anymore, it was all fun, and somehow the ecstacy, was it more MDA or MDMA, or something else, IDK, made me fucking WRECKED, along with all the beer and edibles and bowls of green and I just finally passed out. Absolutely no need for speed.

It seems like it is nothing to write home about according to most people here, thank you, but I might some day try amphetamine after molly. I have found that one dose of molly keeps me pretty content at least 5 hours if I smoke enough weed to keep trip going on, or even 6 hours with double-dose but I might some day feel like I want new kind of a kick or something.

Having done it both way's. Look at it this way neurogically after a day on speed you body's dopamin is depleted. Finishing with MDMA will give a highly needed relaxing serotinergic fueled roll. As if the flooring effects seem to get doubled couch lock in full effect. And maybe if your body chemistry is like me a good night rest.

The other way around needs no explanation as i prefer MDMA and getting yourself wired after getting tired, besides the neurotoxicity. Was just irritating so had to yet take another drug, GHB, to at least feel relaxed. People who prefer speed will have a other opinion on this.

Still wonder how neurotoxic it is as everyone was doing these combo's, some quite regurarly.

 

[Innerpeace]

No.

 

[G_Chem]

Yes I’ve done this, it’s a nice way to pick up the energy to keep dancing. I always take very low doses though to negate any potential neurotoxicity, like 5mg or less.

-GC

 

[unodelacosa]

Obviously as you know, don’t overlap peaks as the speed will kill the roll. But pretty much I am too drained after a hard roll that if I want to keep going, stims are something of a necessity if I want any chance of enjoying things. Lol, it’s true. My motivation is dead after I roll. Some sweet crystal meth can really help turn that around. Just remember to keep your core body temp from being too high as this is what leads to neurotoxicity, specifically your head/brain.

 

[Psycho_Logic]

Isn't it the case that if you make your brain squirt high quantities of dopamine after serotonine receptors are depleted from such a serotonergic drug like mdma dopamine actually becomes toxic for serotonin receptors. Gotta check this but I have read something like this and I remember that when I look back it makes sense.

 

[Psycho_Logic]

ChatGPT response:

In summary, using dopamine agonists like amphetamines after MDMA can lead to heightened neurotoxic effects, increased mood instability, cognitive impairments, greater cardiovascular stress, sleep disturbances, and a higher risk of dependency. The combination can be particularly harmful due to the already compromised serotonin system, exacerbating both the immediate and long-term effects on the brain and body.

 

[unodelacosa]

ChatGPT response:

In summary, using dopamine agonists like amphetamines after MDMA can lead to heightened neurotoxic effects, increased mood instability, cognitive impairments, greater cardiovascular stress, sleep disturbances, and a higher risk of dependency. The combination can be particularly harmful due to the already compromised serotonin system, exacerbating both the immediate and long-term effects on the brain and body.

Yeah I mean it's also cardiotoxic to take amphetamine and caffeine at the same time, but how many Americans w/ADHD drink coffee w/their daily Adderall? If you keep your doses reasonable, use MDMA sparingly, and don't overlay the peaks of these drugs, it doesn't seem too taxing to me compared to the times when I try to zombie through the next day despite the MDMA hangover… I also take a bevy of supplements and vitamins that looks something like this:

• Multi-vitamin (preferably w/ food)
• 5-HTP 100mg (it’s the precursor to serotonin)
• Fish oil (A and D)
• Magnesium, 400 mg.
  • Magnesium Chelate tabs = better bioavailability
  • Prevents involuntary muscle tension, breakdown, & stress on kidneys
• Calcium lactate (not carbomate)
• Nutritional yeast for B1
• Glucosamine (regulates a healthy synovia - joint fluids)
• CoQ-10 (anti-oxidant w/ long half life to elim.)
• Alpha lipoic acid, anti-oxidant. (active in both water & lipids, it enters all nerve cells & protects them from oxidation)
• Taurine (amino acid, very effective anti-oxidant)
• L-arginine 1000mg (amino acid, prevents vasoconstriction / promotes blood flow)
• L-theanine 1000mg (amino acid, lowers tolerance)
• 1 flat spoon baking soda + two Tums
• OR replace the baking soda with Alka Seltzer GOLD
  • NOTE: this is to raise renal pH and increase drug bioavailability
• L-carnitine
• Selenium/vitamin E
• 100mg Milk Thistle - detoxifying effect on liver
• Ibuprofen 200 mg
• Evian water, it has alkaline pH and has a high content of minerals

Isn't it the case that if you make your brain squirt high quantities of dopamine after serotonine receptors are depleted from such a serotonergic drug like mdma dopamine actually becomes toxic for serotonin receptors. Gotta check this but I have read something like this and I remember that when I look back it makes sense.

So I think what happens is that serotonin is released en masse and it floods the synapses and overflows to the dopamine sites where it encounters mono amine oxidase. MAO converts the serotonin to α-methyl-dopamine which is toxic to the dendrites and will eventually cause dendritic atrophy, so it's not too hard to imagine. But I'm not talking about getting tweeked outta your gourd; just a little umph to help keep you going, and then later on I like to crash out hard with a benzo. I feel like if you're reasonable with the dose, it's not too hard on the body, and if you supplement yourself with the right nutrition, much of the adverse effects can be avoided. At least, this is what works for me.

 

[Psycho_Logic]

But I'm not talking about getting tweeked outta your gourd;

Yeah, too bad that as kids/teens we used very pure amphetamine sulphate like one would use coffee...

I feel like if you're reasonable with the dose,

Yeah, too bad we were stupid kids and 250mg of 60+ percent pure sulphate every 6-8 hours was a "foundational dose" on top off we built the experience with many (mili)grams of mdma and micrograms of LSD. My brain suffered a lot cause we would start at Friday afternoon and crash on Monday. Then sleep 48 hours and Friday is a day away... I feel gross just typing about it... At least I didn't use heroin or I wouldn't be writing this post for sure. But there was no internet at that time and techno/goa trance parties were in their infancy... so I'll five myself some slack.