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Heroin How to convert milk of poppy (j&j) into morphine e

emkee_reinvented said:
If you dry em the right way! Khat we just found out contain's Cathinone which s broken down in the plant by enzyme's present. Under influence of UV, heat poor drying teknique they are active and form Cathine.

The specific form it's in the twig's (the freebase) also makes it suceptibale to form inactive dimer's. Which also has to be taken into account. So for proper drying these must be considered choosing the way which is best.

So not any plant, Cannabis must be dried in absolute darkness and then after cured (a form of afterdrying which enhances taste) and creates the perfect taste and humidity/ dry balance. The 1-st step is very important for the forming of as much THC as possible. Light, even a little disturbs this. Poppy's are like Mushroom's the eassy ones.
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I'm just going by, if I lick some sap straight off a freshly-scored pod (which I have done), it will make me less high than the equivalent amount of dried product either oral or smoked.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
I'm just going by, if I lick some sap straight off a freshly-scored pod (which I have done), it will make me less high than the equivalent amount of dried product either oral or smoked.
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So is this caused by reducing the water content. The Pod containing more alkaloid's or does drying does some positive toward's conversion of maybe Codeine into Morphine, or break down of Thebaine?
 
emkee_reinvented said:
So is this caused by reducing the water content. The Pod containing more alkaloid's or does drying does some positive toward's conversion of maybe Codeine into Morphine, or break down of Thebaine?
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Reread and noticed the equivalent part in your reply. That very clear that the drying does some potentation.

My only experience's were with just a few dried Pod's from neighbours garden's, and gave longlasting highs. to bad the naussea even at mild doses prevented any joy, so i stuck with Kratom. but these random garden Pod's were stronger one would think, small pod's. 5/ 6 ones was enough.

But my body doesnst agree with them. Kratom, 0-DSMT, Oxycodone no problems, so its the pods, even planted the seeds. Which are known for naussea when prepared slightly wrong.
 
Please guys just remember synthesis discussion is not allowed on BL. Hasn't seem to go down that road in this thread but, conversion of morphine into heroin is technically a synthesis, so be aware.
 
daturetard said:
If methadone isn't helping with fent wd morphine definitely won't. However, if you want to know- I believe the process is taking the opium and dissolving it in (basic) alcohol, filtering, evaporating, adding more base (until a pH of 11) dissolving both (o/base) in warm water and letting it come to room temperature, acidification to 8.5-9.5 pH and using benzene or toluene to pull the morphine out of the aqueous layer (could probably do a second pull on the used opium mixture). Then to get it to "h" (6mam in this case) you would want to take the solvent and freeze precipitate (less waste) or evaporate to get the morphine (semi pure with a few other alkaloids).
With the morphine you need to add 1/10 the weight of the morphine in organic base (such as lime) and add a bunch of glacial acetic acid (not controlled like anhydride, and too much shouldnt hurt more than being wasteful) until it acetylates the 6 position of the morphine. At this point you have black tar, a non pure version of 'heroin'.
Of course I've never done any part of this so wouldn't know if it works or weather this method is worthwhile. Read what erowid has to say about the first part (extraction) Don't just take my word for it.
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I know morphine won’t help I plan on further refining to diacetylmorphine
 
Gaz_hmmmm said:
There's a much easier method to extract morphine from opium than the method using basic alcohol solution and other chemicals that daturetard suggest using.

A great book to to read that is also a layman's how to guide for poppy growing, poppy pod and seed tea, extracting morphine and turning it in to Heroin along with the history of of opium and info on a few other opioids is 'Opium for the Masses' by Jim Hogshire.
Get the latest edition, it has more information.



You're right about either morphine or Heroin probably not helping to wean off if methadone isn't working, especially if it's not regulated like a prescription would be.

Also there's a much easier method where opium is dissolved in water and lime/calcium hydroxide is used to make calcium morphenate which is then precipitated and floats to the top by adding ammonium chloride and then filtered off.
This is then further purified.




Yes, milk of the poppy aka opium (or poppy tears, scientific name: Lachryma papaveris.) do come from none dried poppies.
Usually ten or more days after the petals have fallen off.
Ideally after a few days hot weather and not watering the plant, this increases morphine production.
Wet weather some how flushes the morphine out/significantly reduces it.

It's not legal to milk them but is legal to collect them once dried just not for human consumption obviously.
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I have a pretty advanced lab about 15 grand in glass vacuum distillation set up with liquid nitrogen solvent traps heating mantle’s accurate to .005 a degree, vacuum filtration, uv boxes, exhaust hood as well as a very well stocked chemical cabinet (unfortunately it is missing N-1-2-phenylethyl-4-piperidine lol) but yeah I should be able to get to 98%+ C21H23NO5 so long as I obtain the proper instructions that in combination with methadone fir legs should allow me to scale down. I’m a hypermetabolizer so no existing protocols even come close to working for me so as with most things in my life I’m gonna have to figure it out myself lol
 
daturetard said:
I heard that book is really bad, though I've never read it. Did you find it helpful?
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Has some interesting things in there. I'm not going to write home about it, but I wouldn't call it "really bad". I might remember the thread of which you speak. Was it negrogesic(??) who gave some really good growing data and experiences and called the book dated? It sure is for growing.

Anyway, get it and tell me what you think. It's worth skimming and reading some parts.

All I've ever done and plan to ever do in the future is maybe scatter a few seeds in the yard and get a few plants if they even come up. At present I'm still avoiding Opiates/oids in general. So, I wouldn't find it helpful. That may change someday



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brokedownpalace10 said:
Was it negrogesic(??) who gave some really good growing data and experiences and called the book dated?
Anyway, get it and tell me what you think. It's worth skimming and reading some parts.

All I've ever done and plan to ever do in the future is maybe scatter a few seeds in the yard and get a few plants if they even come up. At present I'm still avoiding Opiates/oids in general. So, I wouldn't find it helpful. That may change someday
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I beleive it was him @negrogesic anything new on the book idea? Id leave alkaloids (just tell how to increase them but not why 😭 ie; "give them 3x the recomended amount of bone meal" etc.) harvest, and purification/conversion out of it, making it a simple growers guide, and even then publish under a pseudonym.

I'll grab the pdf and let you know.
 
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