Israel is under attack

[daturetard]

Let's see a list of countries backing Isreal vs backing Palestine. Palestine has no western support (not trying to say they deserve it but NEITHER SIDE DOES. Theres plenty of evidence of Isreal misusing the weapons we send to them). That might show the difference in technology and weaponry they're dealing with.

Edit: since malevolent wants to be anal; no western MILITARY support. In a war conflict, I thought that might be the obvious kind of support I was referring to, rather than humanitarian support. QUICK! THROW THE FOOD RATION PACKETS AT THE ISREALIS!

 

[daturetard]

The war would absolutely not be over if the hostages were returned. I mean maybe cause Palestinians would be dead. The reason the war is still going on is because during a meeting between the two, Isreal only offered a temporary ceasefire for like a month after the hostages were released. Palestine was begging for a permanent ceasefire. We won't bomb you for a month after you give em back cause we signed this thing, but after that all bets are off.

 

[mal3volent]

The difference is that Palestine aren't the aggressors here. In the recent attacks from HAMAS, yes, but if you look at the history of the region, a group of people who supposedly once owned your land come in and you're told to go kick rocks (or killed). So you move to a bordering country and the group of people that just kicked you out of your house keep getting into wars with the countries you're allies with and probably have friends in. Taking that land and removing their people (6 Day War and many others) when they win the wars, now Isreal kind of looks a bit more like the Nazis than Palestine. Do you think after watching every other conflict lost by the Arab nations to Isreal, that Palestine really thinks they're gonna win? No, this is a dying man gouging at the eyes of his attacker.

Oh yes, that analogy is perfect. A dying man who has the unwavering support of Iran and Qatar, pockets that go deeper than any of you seem to realize, and centuries worth of irrational fear and hate cynically bred into his children. Numerous offers of peace. But why would a group, who by their own words love death more than life, ever accept peace? It is not something they desire.

Are you familiar with history at all? Not just of that region, but of all human history on earth? It is one story of conquest after the other. Small scale, large scale. One religion or another. Pick any date, any place on the globe and you will find Group A stealing Group B's land.

Would you happen to know how Arabs ended up ruling land all the way from south Central Asia to the west coast of Africa? Was that all just something organic that happened naturally, or were there some dying men looking to gouge out their eyes, too?

So there's nothing special or unique about this circumstance. The longer you and everyone else feed into this white colonialist victim/oppressor complex, the longer these little death cults will reign over the people you supposedly care for. The longer the suffering will continue.

 

[mal3volent]

Let's see a list of countries backing Isreal vs backing Palestine. Palestine has no western support (not trying to say they deserve it but NEITHER SIDE DOES. Theres plenty of evidence of Isreal misusing the weapons we send to them). That might show the difference in technology and weaponry they're dealing with.

I'm not sure you are getting the point of the graphic. The area shaded in red is every bit as much an occupation as the area shaded in blue. As I referenced in my last post.

Also... "Palestine has no western support". I'm sorry... what?

Palestine receives no western support. Huh.

What do you think could've been done with all that money, BESIDES building hundreds of miles of terrorist infrastructure and lining the pockets of Hamas leadership?

 

[mal3volent]

The war would absolutely not be over if the hostages were returned. I mean maybe cause Palestinians would be dead. The reason the war is still going on is because during a meeting between the two, Isreal only offered a temporary ceasefire for like a month after the hostages were released. Palestine was begging for a permanent ceasefire. We won't bomb you for a month after you give em back cause we signed this thing, but after that all bets are off.

This right here is the type of shit that seriously makes my skin crawl. Take a step back and think about what is being said here. The way you speak gives credibility to the idea that terrorism and hostage taking is a legitimate thing. The fact that there is a group of terrorists who raped and killed their way into a musical festival and is still holding some of them hostage eight months later is somehow on equal footing with Israel-- a pluralistic modern democracy. Absolutely cold blooded.

 

[daturetard]

Palestine receives no western support. Huh.

What do you think could've been done with all that money, BESIDES building hundreds of miles of terrorist infrastructure and lining the pockets of Hamas leadership?

Ok you're showing the comparison of aid per capita of multiple other 3rd world countries rather than comparison between Palestine and Isreal which is what I asked for. Also that graph only goes up until 2019, prior to this conflict.

 

[mal3volent]

Ok you're showing the comparison of aid per capita of multiple other 3rd world countries rather than comparison between Palestine and Isreal which is what I asked for. Also that graph only goes up until 2019, prior to this conflict.

No, I believe your exacts words were: "Palestine has no western support". If we aren't going to exist in the realm of reality here, I'm not going to invest the energy.

p.s. If you cannot understand why the funding from 2000-2019 is relevant to the current conflict, or that the line only continues to skyrocket up if you extend the chart another 5 years, that is another indicator that this isn't a serious conversation .

 

[daturetard]

This right here is the type of shit that seriously makes my skin crawl. Take a step back and think about what is being said here. The way you speak gives credibility to the idea that terrorism and hostage taking is a legitimate thing. The fact that there is a group of terrorists who raped and killed their way into a musical festival and is still holding some of them hostage eight months later is somehow on equal footing with Israel-- a pluralistic modern democracy. Absolutely cold blooded.

I'm not in any way trying to legitimize hostage taking, murder, rape, or any of the ways HAMAS is going about this war. I'm trying to make you see from their side of things. Do you know how Zion was formed?Murder, exploitation, starvation, and forced immigration. Ever heard of the Lydda Massacre? 50-80 thousand people were forced out of their homes and made to walk hundreds of miles to get anywhere with a semblance of shelter or food. There's many more events just like this; Dier Yassin Massacre? They want land and don't care how they get it. Gaza knows it's going to lose, so it's fighting dirty. If you have a machine gun pointed at someone they're liable to aim for your eyes or balls.

 

[daturetard]

No, I believe your exacts words were: "Palestine has no western support". If we aren't going to exist in the realm of reality here, I'm not going to invest the energy.

p.s. If you cannot understand why the funding from 2000-2019 is relevant to the current conflict, or that the line only continues to skyrocket up if you extend the chart another 5 years, that is another indicator that this isn't a serious conversation .

Comparative to Isreal, their current support is minimal, and even then, did I say they deserved support? No, I said neither did. I do understand that the 20 years of funding from literal humanitarian services still have an impact, but you still haven't shown us a comparison between Isreal and Palestinian support. Isreal is built on British guns helping them kick out the native populous. The USA and pretty much every other non Muslim country in the public eye are funneling guns, ammo, vests, whatever the fuck they can to Isreal.

 

[mal3volent]

I'm not in any way trying to legitimize hostage taking, murder, rape, or any of the ways HAMAS is going about this war. I'm trying to make you see from their side of things. Do you know how Zion was formed?Murder, exploitation, starvation, and forced immigration. Ever heard of the Lydda Massacre? 50-80 thousand people were forced out of their homes and made to walk hundreds of miles to get anywhere with a semblance of shelter or food. There's many more events just like this; Dier Yassin Massacre? They want land and don't care how they get it. Gaza knows it's going to lose, so it's fighting dirty. If you have a machine gun pointed at someone they're liable to aim for your eyes or balls.

oh right, that totally explains why they breached a border fence and raped and killed festival goers. They were just backed into a corner. Fighting dirty. No wait, sorry. I totally forgot about religious fundamentalism. Yeah, that makes so much more sense.

How "Zion" was formed? Uhhh... I suppose you mean the state of Israel? It is not referred to as Zion outside of religious contexts, despite the Zionist meme being tossed around ad nauseam.

Did you read my first response to you? Apparently not.

 

[mal3volent]

Comparative to Isreal, their current support is minimal, and even then, did I say they deserved support? No, I said neither did. I do understand that the 20 years of funding from literal humanitarian services still have an impact, but you still haven't shown us a comparison between Isreal and Palestinian support. Isreal is built on British guns helping them kick out the native populous. The USA and pretty much every other non Muslim country in the public eye are funneling guns, ammo, vests, whatever the fuck they can to Isreal.

We give Israel weapons because they are our ally. That is how military alliances work. Our government knows that it is in our best interest to see a pluralistic modern democracy flourish in that region, as opposed to a theocratic death cult that flings homosexuals from rooftops.

Israel also helps us. They make things. Provide services. Intelligence. Etc. Not to mention all the strategic advantages we enjoy with access to their ports and airspace.

 

[Jabberwocky]

This is difficult to follow with sarcasm and oversimplifications.

Does anyone here have a painfully neutral viewpoint? If so, I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. I know close to nothing about the issue.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

War likely to spread to Lebanon

 

[daturetard]

Oh yes, that analogy is perfect. A dying man who has the unwavering support of Iran and Qatar, pockets that go deeper than any of you seem to realize, and centuries worth of irrational fear and hate cynically bred into his children. Numerous offers of peace. But why would a group, who by their own words love death more than life, ever accept peace? It is not something they desire.

Are you familiar with history at all? Not just of that region, but of all human history on earth? It is one story of conquest after the other. Small scale, large scale. One religion or another. Pick any date, any place on the globe and you will find Group A stealing Group B's land.

Undying support of other countries that have gone through the same things as Palestine. Also would you care to explain what is irrational about hating or fearing a group of people who removed you/your parents from your land only to force you to walk across entire countries, watching people dying and starving as you go? Seems a pretty rational reason to hate somebody in my book. Even then, while I understand people will always steal land, you seem to give your 'undying support' to a state that clearly imposed on the native people's first. Pick any date, any place on the globe and you will see people murder others over much smaller perceived transgressions. Vengeance is an old bitch.
Could dig a hole and shit in it 50 years ago, fall in it tomorrow. People don't forgive.

 

[daturetard]

We give Israel weapons because they are our ally. That is how military alliances work. Our government knows that it is in our best interest to see a pluralistic modern democracy flourish in that region, as opposed to a theocratic death cult that flings homosexuals from rooftops.

Israel also helps us. They make things. Provide services. Intelligence. Etc. Not to mention all the strategic advantages we enjoy with access to their ports and airspace.

Be real it's in our best interest to support Isreal because they're majority western people who share our interests. If we could get a fuck ton of oil out of Palestine, we'd be giving bombs to Hamas. We don't give a fuck about the happenings of other countries as long as we can use them. Do you think we invaded and killed Che Guevara and Manuel Noriega because they were bad people? They were spreading ideas that scared the US. Noriega helped the fuck out of the American government and they threw him in a cell (because of shit they told him to do) when they couldn't use him anymore. Defacto leader of Panama is fine by us as long as he's our puppet. They implement their own governments (like the shah) and when they fail to control their people they inject hundreds of thousands already under their control, and now we have a middle eastern ally. All it took was the removal of an entire people from their homeland to make way for a people we liked better.

 

[mal3volent]

Undying support of other countries that have gone through the same things as Palestine. Also would you care to explain what is irrational about hating or fearing a group of people who removed you/your parents from your land only to force you to walk across entire countries, watching people dying and starving as you go? Seems a pretty rational reason to hate somebody in my book. Even then, while I understand people will always steal land, you seem to give your 'undying support' to a state that clearly imposed on the native people's first. Pick any date, any place on the globe and you will see people murder others over much smaller perceived transgressions. Vengeance is an old bitch.
Could dig a hole and shit in it 50 years ago, fall in it tomorrow. People don't forgive.

Assuming you are not indigenous to the patch of land you are currently occupying, how do you sleep at night knowing you are complicit in a violent white colonialist system of oppression?

"Vengeance is an old bitch" from the person who wants Israel to agree to a permanent cease fire. Lol, got it.

Israel "imposed" on the native people? You do realize non-Jewish Arabs live in Israel right? That is one of the perks of being a pluralistic democracy. Also, if anyone imposed on them it was Britain. It was their land. Before that it was the Ottoman Empire. How far we going back? Assyrians? Byzantines?

 

[daturetard]

oh right, that totally explains why they breached a border fence and raped and killed festival goers. They were just backed into a corner. Fighting dirty. No wait, sorry. I totally forgot about religious fundamentalism. Yeah, that makes so much more sense.

How "Zion" was formed? Uhhh... I suppose you mean the state of Israel? It is not referred to as Zion outside of religious contexts, despite the Zionist meme being tossed around ad nauseam.

Kind of does explain it. If you want to murder and/or remove an entire state of people from their homes you should probably expect those people to commit some pretty heinous acts against your people, as your mindset seems to be- don't you know anything about history? Just the way it goes man.
And, if there's another place being referred to currently as a candidate for Zion, I'm unaware. Yes, I meant fucking Isreal. Don't really care about the context or commonly accepted nomenclature.

 

[mal3volent]

We don't give a fuck about the happenings of other countries as long as we can use them.

I literally just said we had a mutually beneficial relationship and listed all the ways. Ok you legit aren't even making an attempt here. You said Palestine receives no western support. I provided evidence that is wildly inaccurate. You said yeah, but what about all the support we give to Israel? And I explained that we benefit from the existence of Israel too.

Going to take a break now. I'm already tired of chasing my tail.

 

[daturetard]

how do you sleep at night?

"Vengeance is an old bitch" from the person who wants Israel to agree to a permanent cease fire. Lol, got it.

Israel "imposed" on the native people? You do realize non-Jewish Arabs live in Israel right?

Why thank you for asking , I don't. And it's not like while I'm writing this I'm simultaneously arguing for why colonization of America was a good thing, that's just not the subject at hand.

Ah, yes. I, the one person asking for a ceasefire from Isreal. If Isreal stopped fighting and signed a permanent ceasefire, you know what'd happen??? Nothing. If Hamas just stopped fighting you know what would happen? All Palestinians would die.

Isreal absolutely did impose. The land was already inhabited, and therefore a large number of the people native there were forced to move away from the area. I don't think you probably looked up the massacres I mentioned; mainly, the Lydda Massacre. Just because non Jewish people can move between Arab countries and Isreal now does not mean that when it was taken by British that was the case. Inhabitants were removed.

 

[daturetard]

You said yeah, but what about all the support we give to Israel?

The support you gave evidence of being enlisted was humanitarian support. Isreal is being given easily 10x the worth of all of that help combined in weaponry. Not the same kind of support at all. Even then, you never showed what I asked for, a comparison between Isreal and Palestine's support. You compared Palestine to other Arab countries.