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Mjäll said:
Antisemitism means anti-judaism. The "not just a religion" thing is a cope. Jewish people are not ethnically homogenous, united instead by creed. Can't have the cake and eat it too. Can't have a protective label for your woo woo religion legitimized as "ethnic" and a biological fact when there is no basis for such a thing.


Why would they care about protecting a religious label if they're atheists?
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so I guess "black" or "white" isn't a race either? Since they aren't ethnically homogeneous ?
alert the presses
 
mal3volent said:
so I guess "black" or "white" isn't a race either? Since they aren't ethnically homogeneous ?
alert the presses
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Terms black and white obviously encompass all black and white people, respectively. There is no problem with using a wide descriptor.

The term "antisemitism" (or "semite") refers to a religious subset of people of a certain ethnic description. It pertains to religion but relies on ethnicity for legitimacy. It's a dishonest way of defining terms. Using a wide descriptor isn't the problem. Selectivity informed by another parameter (religion) is the problem. You've misunderstood my application of the term "homogenous".

It is sometimes advisable to withold condescension until a clearer view has had the chance to emerge.
 
Mjäll said:
Antisemitism means anti-judaism. The "not just a religion" thing is a cope. Jewish people are not ethnically homogenous, united instead by creed. Can't have the cake and eat it too. Can't have a protective label for your woo woo religion legitimized as "ethnic" and a biological fact when there is no basis for such a thing.


Why would they care about protecting a religious label if they're atheists?
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Because they are a people, a Nation and it just so happens that their ethnicity and religion are tied together, besides that little sliver of land is only part of their original homeland. This is about antisemitism and it is starting to look like 1930's Germany. Look it up because you obviously don't know shit about history. They are a Nation and they don't evangelize like Muslims or Christians. It is always the Jews fault, same bullshit from long ago.
Leon Trotsky, who was an atheist, said I wish I could shed this Jewish skin. Not all Jews are practicing religiously, just like most of the Arabs in Metro Detroit ain't Muslims. Dearborn is different they are. But here they are mostly Catholic or not religious. The Chaldeans are Arabs that fled Iraq, when Saddam Hussein was in power. He was brutal to them. They own the liquor stores around here. Trust me, I know I was a drunk. Jews are people and not just" Some dumb religion" as you put it. As Moses said" Let my people go" Trying to make excuses for your antisemitic bs.
They are a people and that is their homeland, or a sliver of it. It was stolen from them and they took a small part back.
 
Jnowhere said:
Because they are a people, a Nation and it just so happens that their ethnicity and religion are tied together, besides that little sliver of land is only part of their original homeland. This is about antisemitism and it is starting to look like 1930's Germany. Look it up because you obviously don't know shit about history. They are a Nation and they don't evangelize like Muslims or Christians. It is always the Jews fault, same bullshit from long ago.
Leon Trotsky, who was an atheist, said I wish I could shed this Jewish skin. Not all Jews are practicing religiously, just like most of the Arabs in Metro Detroit ain't Muslims. Dearborn is different they are. But here they are mostly Catholic or not religious. The Chaldeans are Arabs that fled Iraq, when Saddam Hussein was in power. He was brutal to them. They own the liquor stores around here. Trust me, I know I was a drunk. Jews are people and not just" Some dumb religion" as you put it. As Moses said" Let my people go" Trying to make excuses for your antisemitic bs.
They are a people and that is their homeland, or a sliver of it. It was stolen from them and they took a small part back.
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Not sure my ears still work for a person that fabulates that i "obviously don't know shit about history" in a sad attempt to make a point

Dat some tired ass bro shit
 
Mjäll said:
Terms black and white obviously encompass all black and white people, respectively. There is no problem with using a wide descriptor.

The term "antisemitism" (or "semite") refers to a religious subset of people of a certain ethnic description. It pertains to religion but relies on ethnicity for legitimacy. It's a dishonest way of defining terms. Using a wide descriptor isn't the problem. You've misunderstood my application of the term "homogenous".

It is sometimes advisable to withold condescension until a clearer view has had the chance to emerge.
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You speak with such certainty despite the fact you have no clue what you're talking about.

People who are antisemitic make no distinction between religious and non religious Jews. It has nothing to do with that.

I've not misunderstood anything. You said: "Antisemitism means anti-judaism." If you don't want checked then stop speaking such blatant bullshit.
 
Jnowhere said:
Trying to make excuses for your antisemitic bs.
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to be fair to @Mjäll , he isn't antisemitic. He just really really hates religion. I can respect that. But facts are facts. Antisemitism is more than just hating the religion of Judaism. Nazis did not separate religious from non religious, and neither do Hamas.
 
mal3volent said:
You speak with such certainty despite the fact you have no clue what you're talking about.

People who are antisemitic make no distinction between religious and non religious Jews. It has nothing to do with that.

I've not misunderstood anything. You said: "Antisemitism means anti-judaism." If you don't want checked then stop speaking such blatant bullshit.
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Anti-semites make no distinction between religious and non religious jews - just like jews themselves make no distinction as they too talk about "non religious jews" as jews. Both religious and non religious jews are all jews, to both the jews and the antisemites. Probably to everyone else as well. This description with a strong ethnic tie originates from the religion itself. Jews and judaism have created this cultural heritage. What is your point there?

I don't think you quite grasp what i'm saying.
 
mal3volent said:
to be fair to @Mjäll , he isn't antisemitic. He just really really hates religion. I can respect that. But facts are facts. Antisemitism is more than just hating the religion of Judaism. Nazis did not separate religious from non religious, and neither do Hamas.
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Yeah because judaism itself is more than just believing in the religion!!! As evidenced by the very phrase "non religious jews".

How are you guys not seeing this?
 
There is no solving this unless their neighbors get what they want, a second holocaust. I said it before I'll say it again, they, Hamas, drew first blood. It was said on here about the Palestinians, can't get their shit together. Hamas and all these other terrorists always praising Allah. Forced worship and non-democratic governments. As was said about Hamas, it is an Islamic death cult.
All this time the Palestinians can't get a working government, WTF. This is a religious thing with all the different peoples who are Muslims in the region.
As Nassar said " Push them into the sea." He also said something to the affect of The Arab and The Jew can't share the same area. Arabs are a people or ethnicity. The Jews are a people.
 
Mjäll said:
Yeah because judaism itself is more than just believing in the religion!!! As evidenced by the very phrase "non religious jews".

How are you guys not seeing this?
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Dude... Jews are descended from the same Semitic-speaking tribes, aka Israelites, aka the kingdom of Judah.

Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people, but they don't all practice it or believe in it.

It is really just that simple.
 
mal3volent said:
Dude... Jews are descended from the same Semitic-speaking tribes, aka Israelites, aka the kingdom of Judah.

Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people, but they don't all practice it or believe in it.

It is really just that simple.
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How many % of those descendant from him are jews? How about converts to judaism?

It's not a working ethnic definition. It's clearly cherry-picked.
 
Mjäll said:
Yeah because judaism itself is more than just believing in the religion!!! As evidenced by the very phrase "non religious jews".

How are you guys not seeing this?
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I miss wrote, it is a people and this is anti- Jewish as in the people. They were inseparable from their religion for a long time, but they are a people. But for some they hold onto their religion. Not even close to what the Muslims do. They( Muslims)are a part of a religion not a people. Talk shit about Muslims as a whole, yeah they would skin your ass alive, if knew who you were.
The most religious Jews don't even believe Israel should exist. The ultra orthodox ones who refuse to work, they are the really religious ones and they are at odds with the rest of the Jews.
You don't attack Islam, that is a religion.
Abraham Issac and Jacob= Jews
Abraham Ishmael = Arabs
But guess what the Iranians are Persians. And you have all these religious Muslims from all different peoples.
You think you caught me, man my pills are just starting to kick in and I only had a few hours sleep. You hypocrites never say shit about Islam, which is a religion that believes the whole world will be Muslim or die. Jews don't recruit, just like Eminem can't ever be black.
I used to live a less than 2 miles from his gated community of one of his many properties in Southeast Michigan. I am bored so I just threw that in.
They are a people, and what about Islam? That is what unites the various ethnic groups in the region. The Jews are a people or nation. Hamas and all these other ethnic groups are united under a religion.
They kill for their religion but you ain't wrote shit about that you hypocrite.
 
Jnowhere said:
I miss wrote, it is a people and this is anti- Jewish as in the people. They were inseparable from their religion for a long time, but they are a people. But for some they hold onto their religion. Not even close to what the Muslims do. They( Muslims)are a part of a religion not a people. Talk shit about Muslims as a whole, yeah they would skin your ass alive, if knew who you were.
The most religious Jews don't even believe Israel should exist. The ultra orthodox ones who refuse to work, they are the really religious ones and they are at odds with the rest of the Jews.
You don't attack Islam, that is a religion.
Abraham Issac and Jacob= Jews
Abraham Ishmael = Arabs
But guess what the Iranians are Persians. And you have all these religious Muslims from all different peoples.
You think you caught me, man my pills are just starting to kick in and I only had a few hours sleep. You hypocrites never say shit about Islam, which is a religion that believes the whole world will be Muslim or die. Jews don't recruit, just like Eminem can't ever be black.
I used to live a less than 2 miles from his gated community of one of his many properties in Southeast Michigan. I am bored so I just threw that in.
They are a people, and what about Islam? That is what unites the various ethnic groups in the region. The Jews are a people or nation. Hamas and all these other ethnic groups are united under a religion.
They kill for their religion but you ain't wrote shit about that you hypocrite.
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Agreed.
There are Muslims that are from every continent on earth. They are not related to each other like the tribes of Israel. It is a religion, not a people, even though the origins of Jewish and Muslim religions came from the same region if not the same family.

The Muslim religion seeks converts from all peoples in the land they inhabit, in fact they strongly emphasize that all peoples should convert. They retain the ability to own slaves and consider women second class people.

Hebrews do not seek converts and allow people within Israel to practice their own beliefs and religions, including Muslims.

See any difference yet? This is just scratching the surface in the differences.
 
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mal3volent said:
Nazis did not separate religious from non religious, and neither do Hamas.
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The difference is that Palestine aren't the aggressors here. In the recent attacks from HAMAS, yes, but if you look at the history of the region, a group of people who supposedly once owned your land come in and you're told to go kick rocks (or killed). So you move to a bordering country and the group of people that just kicked you out of your house keep getting into wars with the countries you're allies with and probably have friends in. Taking that land and removing their people (6 Day War and many others) when they win the wars, now Isreal kind of looks a bit more like the Nazis than Palestine. Do you think after watching every other conflict lost by the Arab nations to Isreal, that Palestine really thinks they're gonna win? No, this is a dying man gouging at the eyes of his attacker.
 
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