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Only one of us perhaps, but surely you aren't the ONLY one on earth who can, right?

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.

“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.

I would have to agree with his description of Hamas. Actually in my mind, it is an insult to animals to make such a comparison. Cutting off the resources was to diminish the capabilities of said terrorist group after warnings/evacuations of Palestinian civilians had already begun to take place. Those who remained by the time the ground invasion began, largely, were there by choice or because Hamas prevented them from leaving.
 
How do you expect Israel to attack terrorists who deliberately embed themselves in civilian areas and who disguise themselves as civilians, without there being collateral damage of civilians? Or should they just not try to defend their people against annihilation?

Why is it only Israel who is scrutinized in these ways?
 
I implore you to go find that list, and maybe read a book or two while you're at it.
You might learn something in the process.

You should read about Israel's disengagement from Gaza in 2005 and what followed.
Nice condescension yet again though. Very becoming of you.
 
Answer the question.

oh no, arrall is cornering me. Checkmate is near!

Um... yes, Palestinians, Argentinians, Vietnamese, all people have the right to defend themselves.

I would've thought that much was obvious. Against what is the better question.
 
I am sorry for u guys.Most of u are wonderful people,but those things that Jewish mafia-CIA,FED rules.....that soon will got big negative impact upon u......sorry for ordinary american people.Ur elites made big,big mess.They made very wrong calculations.....and these fuckers and all their breed will suffer tremendously too....to that leads human arogancy,greed and the feeling that u powerful than anybody and anything:(
 
I am sorry for u guys.Most of u are wonderful people,but those things that Jewish mafia-CIA,FED rules.....that soon will got big negative impact upon u......sorry for ordinary american people.Ur elites made big,big mess.They made very wrong calculations.....and these fuckers and all their breed will suffer tremendously too....to that leads human arogancy,greed and the feeling that u powerful than anybody and anything:(
No offence but you are dealing with ignorant stereotypes that have absolutely zero grounding in reality. Please stick to facts or, if you insist on Anti Semitic tropes qualify them as your unfounded subjective OPINIONS.
 
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"It's okay to massacre civilians if a terrorist organization made up of people of the same ethnicity has killed your country's civilians"
"Israel has a right to defend itself"
"The solution to dead civilians is to kill more civilians"

See the following list:
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Based on the beliefs I hold and the rhetoric I have espoused in this thread, neither side's actions are acceptable.
Based on what I have seen some people in here say, it is therefore okay for Hamas to "defend" itself from over 85 years of attacks by killing Israelis.


Some more info for you guys:
IDF: Hostage Yossi Sharabi was likely killed as a result of IDF strike
Israeli troops rape Palestinian women before killing them in al-Shifa hospital: Eyewitness
Witnesses Describe Fear and Deprivation at Besieged Hospital in Gaza
"The Gazan authorities said that at least 13 patients had died as a result of the raid because they were deprived of medicine and treatment, or when their ventilators stopped working after the Israelis cut the electricity."
Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israel bans food convoy trucks to north Gaza – UN
"There will be no food, no water, no electricity, no fuel. We are dealing with human animals, and we will act accordingly" in action once again.
"Massacre" infers intent. While all 32 Palestinian terrorist groups west of the Jordan River DELIBERATELY target Jewish civilains, not 1 Israeli Security formation reciprocates. Indeed Israel hands down does everything it can to minimise harm against Palestininian non combatants.

Not 1 military in the history of our planet has ever Roof Knocked, ever hijacked local media & cell coverage, directly phoned targetted edifices even when of Mixed Use. Not one has used public address systems ahead of every modern offencive warning non combatants to flee said edifices. Of course this allows combatant to flee AS WELL, or, should they opt to, deploy ambuscades & booby traps where by Israeli military personnel are harmed, & even killed.

Compare any of above to anything HAMAS has EVER done.

As for your list? Virtually none ever occured & the 3 that did were not committed by Israel. They were by pre-State paramilitaries that were dismanteled by Israel. In fact, those 3 did not occur in a vaccuum. Perpetrators made the pi** poor choice to treat Arabs as the latter had treated Jews.

Take the 1937 example, that was nearly 18 years AFTER Palestinians launched their orchestrated campaign of Genocide against Jews. I have posted in at least 2 previous posts about how that campaign began on March 3rd, 1920. After almost 2 decades of Arab on Jewish slaughter it is a no brainer that some Jews felt that their only hope in stemming that Genocide was to respond in kind, i.e. to exact a high enough price so that Arabs might finally try & co-exist.

A year before, the "Arab Rebellion of 1936" was launched. I can give you a list of more than 120 Jewish population centres that by 1937 had already been Ethnically Cleansed by Arabs. At least 54 had transpired in the past 10 months.

Lastly, NO MATTER WHAT Jews did almost a century ago, HAMAS et al attacked on October 7th, 2023. You cannot justify it by any decades old this or that.

To repeat, nothing Israel is doing in Gaza even loosely resembles Genocide or a massacre. Even if the Gazan figures had not been proven to be patently false, and they have, in per capita terms- EVEN IF 100% were civilains- it is not a massacre.

All armed conflicts are governed by LOAC & IHL- Laws of Armed Conflict & International Humamitarian Law- the 2 genres within International Law devised exactly for this purpose. If you are big on lists, let us make 2 very simple ones for how Israel has contravened them, and how HAMAS et al have. To that end, Israel has until now not even come close to violating even 1 law. HAMAS on the other hand has broken 17 laws.
 
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@mal3volent You missed the point.
If Israel has the right to defend itself from October 7th, do the Palestinian people have a right to defend themselves for the following (I use Instagram because this is the most complete, concise list I can find):
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As for my beliefs being challenged, I was a Zionist until 2022.
I became an anti-Zionist when I spent 2 months living in Israel.
My beliefs are based on that, and since I am one of 2 anti-Zionists in my family (the other being my aunt who lives in another province), my beliefs are pretty consistently challenged.
Assuming you ever actually lived in Israel, what was it that made you an Anti Zionist? Do you actually know what Zionism is? It is simply the belief that Jews have a natural right to self determination, & its realisation in the form of Israel. What part of that was affected by 60 days living in Israel?

Everyone has the right to think as they will. Smart forlks base such feelings on facts. Living in a nation not your own, a continent far away from your home, & yet you see fit to throw a nation of 9 million under the bus.
 
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These fucking guys :LOL: "Prisoner exchange". The nerve of these dickheads. You forcibly kidnapped innocent civilians, hostages, which is a war crime. They are not prisoners. Inmates commit crimes in the host country and are tried by jury, not taken at gunpoint for the act of no-crime to a foreign land and treated like shit.

 
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Hamas itself admitted the recent stories of rape at the hospital were fake.


Why does it list things such as 1937 Jerusalem Massacre? That's technically a massacre against JEWS not Palestinians.......

Palestinian Arabs killed five Palestinian Jews near Jerusalem on November 9, 1937, and members of the Irgun retaliated by killing several Palestinian Arabs on November 14, 1937. Palestinian Arabs killed four Palestinian Jews near Safed on March 28, 1938.

That's not really a massacre, unless you're talking about Jews being killed.

That list is silly. Zero context. Misleading info. Obviously designed to spread hyperpartial messages.
 
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Ben Shapiro is a wet sock of a provocateur.
He recently said he thinks 'retirement is stupid', as in, people should just keep working unless their health dictates otherwise. I just love it when talking head gobshites come out with moralizing bullshit, especially in regards to effort when all they've ever done is yak nonsense for a living.

ps I have to admit, I'm trying really hard to supress my inner Eric Cartman at this precise moment
 
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