Israel is under attack

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Another nuanced take mal, you just cannot take in any information at face value.

Proven over and over again over the last couple of pages.

 

[mal3volent]

Another nuanced take mal, you just cannot take in any information at face value.

Proven over and over again over the last couple of pages.

I see four people shot by a drone. What other facts are there at this point?

What you've proven over and over is that you follow anti-Semitic twitter accounts and apparently trust Qatari state run propaganda as your news.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I don't follow War Monitor lol, he's an engagement farmer and an idiot all around. I never supported the Elon takeover as Is well documented so the algorithm is my fate.
And Al Jazeera just obtained the footage from the drone and shared it.

All I did was post 4 men strolling by just getting blown up, no other comment.

That's my point, you just cannot bring it up upon yourself to just look and read. I know there's no proof they weren't Hamas, although statistically all quite unlikely especially given all the priors. You could've just ignored or anything but the instant "PROPAGANDA" is exactly what it smells like.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Or maybe they just kill indiscriminately like I've been yelling about all this time

All wars are indiscriminate killing....

Oct 7th was indiscriminate killing, rape, and beheadings.

This war in particular is absurd. All war is absurd, but this one particularly, because it has been distorted by social media. The only way to rationalize any of it is to latch on to one narrative and ignore the last 75 years of conflict in that area...

Maybe Hamas and their predecessors, and Syria and Jordan, shouldn't have repeatedly invaded and attacked Israel for the last 75 years? Maybe people shouldn't be rationalizing beheading children and raping women as "Jihad, God given right to do so".

Maybe Muslim countries from around the world should not have persecuted Jews out of their homes and into exile over the last 75 years, exacerbating Zionism and radicalizing Israel even more?

Maybe Israel should have never been created by the UN?

Maybe Israel should not have created settlements on land they don't own?

Maybe Hitler should have never murdered 6 million Jews, which led to Israel in the first place.

I don't understand why so many people ignore history regarding this war.... it's extremely relevant.

If you look at this war historically without bias, it's difficult to feel morally obligated to either side. It's easy to understand why Israel has become so radically defensive, and it's easy to understand why Hamas exists.

If you look at this war simply from the "big western power killing their poor defenseless neighbors for no reason", then yeah I'd look at clips like that and call it blatant war crimes. Of which Israel is certainly guilty of, but that doesn't invalidate their reason to invade Gaza.

War is absurd. This one certainly is a lot more than "only the other side is bad".

 

[Jen X]

no hamas doesn't, idk what you mean.

I wasn't referring to hamas

 

[mal3volent]

I don't follow War Monitor lol, he's an engagement farmer and an idiot all around. I never supported the Elon takeover as Is well documented so the algorithm is my fate.
And Al Jazeera just obtained the footage from the drone and shared it.

All I did was post 4 men strolling by just getting blown up, no other comment.

That's my point, you just cannot bring it up upon yourself to just look and read. I know there's no proof they weren't Hamas, although statistically all quite unlikely especially given all the priors. You could've just ignored or anything but the instant "PROPAGANDA" is exactly what it smells like.

lol, look back at your posts and the other tweet you posted. There was plenty more implied other than that. Please do not start gaslighting me.

 

[swilow]

is hardly a substantial segment of a population of MILLIONS, half of whom are kids.

What do you think a poll actually is though? My lord, the mental gymnastics you perform just to avoid what is plainly true. You cannot deny that on October 7th, many who participated weren't even members of Hamas. They were Gazan civilians who saw the chance to kill Jews and took delight in doing it.

 

[Electrum1]

Some AP journalists were involved too

Remember in 2021 when Israel struck a building with Hamas in it and the AP had an office in the same building and claimed they didn't know?

AP Hamas claim panned, Blinken’s ‘seen no evidence’ of presence in their HQ

The Associated Press has been blasted for claiming it had no clue Hamas militants maintained a presence at the news agency’s Gaza headquarters that was destroyed in an Israeli airstrike.

nypost.com

 

[swilow]

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This is the group conducting the polls among Palestinians. It is a Palestinian think tank that has been doing this for almost 30 years. Arguing that their polls don't represent a majority is fine but a counter argument is really needed and of course our brother @nepalnt21 won't offer one.

 

[Rachrach]

What you call "Sheikh Jarrah" are 2 neighbourhoods whose actual names are Nachalat Yitzchak & Nachalat Shimon. These were entirely Jewish on land purchased by the Chief Rabbinate of Jerusalem in the 19th Century. Indigent housing was built on the land to house poor Jews who theretofore lived in the Old City. It was meant to alleviate horrendous over-crowding in the Jewish Quarter.

Arabs Ethnically Cleansed the land not once but THREE times. The last time was 1948 during war. Jordan then Occupied the land & so Jews could not return to their homes. Israel liberated it in 1967 BUT refused to allow Jews to return.

In 1952 the UNRWA partnered with Jordan to offer Arab squatters who had stolen these Jewish homes a retroactive legalisation AND ownership of these stolen Jewish homes. Ironically, Jordan & the UNRWA never followed through with awarding deeds for these Jewish homes.

When Israel liberated them they awarded these squatters Protected Tenancy. This status confers renters' rights until the death of the rentee's youngest child, i.e. 2 generations. This was with these Arabs signing the agreements which had 3 requirements:

I...No subletting

II...No interior nor exterior modifications of the property without express written consent of Israel & the actual Jewish homeowners.

III...An annual rent equal to 30 US dollars, This will never be modified. This was to preserve ultimate ownership of the homes by the legal Jewish owners.

In 1982 almost all Arabs residing in these stolen Jewish homes refused to pay their annual rent. This was to appease the PLO who had demanded that to refuse.

This refusal negated the Arabs' Protected Tenancies. Most of the Jewish legal owners filed to void these statuses. That was more than half a century ago and yet almost all of the eviction cases continue to he dragged through Israeli courts. There is no nation on the planet that allows even a decade for such processes. Israel allows Arabs to manipulate its courts FOR HALF A CENTURY.

Your video is a fantastic example of how Pallywood manipulates foreigners. You believed a Jew is stealing an Arabs' home!!! The source itself is nothing but a propaganda mill. This is why I ask folks to vet their info, and most of all, vet their sources.

 

[Electrum1]

Hmm

 

[mal3volent]

Hmm

sad.

 

[Soso78]

Where are the leaders of hamas?
Could Israel target them in other countries?
Like bin laden was in Pakistan and was targeted and killed.

 

[mal3volent]

Where are the leaders of hamas?
Could Israel target them in other countries?
Like bin laden was in Pakistan and was targeted and killed.

protected by Qatar (who also runs Al Jazeera btw)
hiding while their people die

 

[arrall]

ITT:
"It's okay to massacre civilians if a terrorist organization made up of people of the same ethnicity has killed your country's civilians"
"Israel has a right to defend itself"
"The solution to dead civilians is to kill more civilians"

See the following list:

Based on the beliefs I hold and the rhetoric I have espoused in this thread, neither side's actions are acceptable.
Based on what I have seen some people in here say, it is therefore okay for Hamas to "defend" itself from over 85 years of attacks by killing Israelis.


Some more info for you guys:
IDF: Hostage Yossi Sharabi was likely killed as a result of IDF strike
Israeli troops rape Palestinian women before killing them in al-Shifa hospital: Eyewitness
Witnesses Describe Fear and Deprivation at Besieged Hospital in Gaza
"The Gazan authorities said that at least 13 patients had died as a result of the raid because they were deprived of medicine and treatment, or when their ventilators stopped working after the Israelis cut the electricity."
Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israel bans food convoy trucks to north Gaza – UN
"There will be no food, no water, no electricity, no fuel. We are dealing with human animals, and we will act accordingly" in action once again.

 

[mal3volent]

Yes, he was white and Israeli so you actually have to pretend to care about this one

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you speak like this?

ITT:
"It's okay to massacre civilians if a terrorist organization made up of people of the same ethnicity has killed your country's civilians"
"Israel has a right to defend itself"
"The solution to dead civilians is to kill more civilians"

You use quotes for these but 2/3 of the them are total bullshit and have never been said by anyone. More lies and manipulation. Cannot rely on your own arguments or reasoning to win over minds , so you just make shit up.

And when you're finished lying you post links that do nothing to discredit our central points. We've said over and over again that we do not support every action of every person in the IDF. Do you think we are naive enough to think Israeli soldiers have never raped anyone? Or that that hasn't occurred in every war since the beginning of time?

These individual incidents do nothing to discredit the overarching sentiments we've expressed. Namely that Israel has the right to go to war with a group who openly admits to wanting all Jews dead. And have promised to continue their attacks until that becomes a reality. And that ultimately the deaths of every innocent who dies in this conflict is the fault of the islamist terror cult who proudly proclaim "we love death more than we love life".

Based on the beliefs I hold and the rhetoric I have espoused in this thread

I haven't noticed you articulate many of your own original thoughts. Mostly just reposts of shit you've found in your social media. Regurgitation of other peoples opinions. You have no interest in speaking to others in good faith. You literally cannot type a post without accusing us of being vile racists who enjoy watching brown children die.

That is not a coincidence. It's the product of intersectional brain rot and echo chamber induced arrogance. Where your beliefs are never challenged and you are socially incentivized to become more and more extreme in your rhetoric.

I don't think most of us here want to be lectured to, especially not by someone with such little command of the facts. That fucking post was so unbelievably bad faith and toxic, I don't see what purpose it serves other than to agitate. Very poor example to be setting in an area where that kind of thing isn't supposed to be allowed.

 

[arrall]

@mal3volent You missed the point.
If Israel has the right to defend itself from October 7th, do the Palestinian people have a right to defend themselves for the following (I use Instagram because this is the most complete, concise list I can find):

As for my beliefs being challenged, I was a Zionist until 2022.
I became an anti-Zionist when I spent 2 months living in Israel.
My beliefs are based on that, and since I am one of 2 anti-Zionists in my family (the other being my aunt who lives in another province), my beliefs are pretty consistently challenged.

 

[arrall]

We've said over and over again that we do not support every action of every person in the IDF.

When the Minister of Defense calls Palestinians human animals and the government cuts off food convoys from entering Gaza, then supporting the Israeli government or the IDF to any degree is tantamount to supporting genocide.

If I lock you and your entire neighborhood in a room with no food because you threw a pebble at me and said you wanted to kill me and then stand in front of the door for 28 days so the pizza delivery guy can't get in, I am guilty of mass murder.
If Israel does it, it's "self-defense".

So yes. I have given up attempting to persuade people who support genocide as a way to justify the fact that they just don't really like Muslim people all that much.

 

[mal3volent]

I didn't miss your point. I could find a list equally as long of every "massacre" perpetrated against Israel. It's a conflict that has been going on for a very long time. There is no doubt though that October 7 was a dramatic escalation , and honestly, the attempt to minimize that day as simply another link in the chain is pretty disgusting.

When the Minister of Defense calls Palestinians human animals

Don't you mean "called Hamas human animals" ?
Honestly, is this you trying to gaslight or are you genuinely misinformed?

 

[arrall]

I didn't miss your point. I could find a list equally as long of every "massacre" perpetrated against Israel. It's a conflict that has been going on for a very long time. There is no doubt though that October 7 was a dramatic escalation , and honestly, the attempt to minimize that day as simply another link in the chain is pretty disgusting.

This implies a fundamental misunderstanding of 86 years of history.
I implore you to go find that list, and maybe read a book or two on the subject.
You might learn something and re-examine your positions in the process.

Don't you mean "called Hamas human animals" ?
Honestly, is this you trying to gaslight or are you genuinely misinformed?

He said "There will be no food, no water, no electricity, and no fuel. We are dealing with human animals, and we will act accordingly."
Then the Israeli government began to cut off food, water, electricity, and fuel to the millions of people in Gaza.
While I would take your word that it was just about Hamas, he didn't just cut off Hamas's food and water and only one of us can understand Hebrew.

EDIT: You also didn't answer the question.