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The Big & Dandy 5-APB Thread

arrall said:
This has seen a recent resurgence after 2 Chinese vendors began selling 5-APB mislabeled as 6-APB
PSA: 5-APB is significantly more potent than 6-APB, and you should not start with more than 80mg under any circumstances!


How did it compare to 6-APB other than potency?
More or less euphoric, empathetic, stimulating?
Similar duration?
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So I've only been able to try the compounds once so I don't have tons of experience. However in a nutshell i would describe the 5-APB as being a condensed MDA experience and the 6-APB was an extended less intense version of MDA. It was maybe a little more stimulating, but less euphoria. Very different duration IME. The 5-APB was 5-7 hours and the 6-APB i felt for a good 12 hours.

Also since my last post I have tried the 5-MAPB. I think I prefer MDMA.
 
Didgital said:
So I've only been able to try the compounds once so I don't have tons of experience. However in a nutshell i would describe the 5-APB as being a condensed MDA experience and the 6-APB was an extended less intense version of MDA. It was maybe a little more stimulating, but less euphoria. Very different duration IME. The 5-APB was 5-7 hours and the 6-APB i felt for a good 12 hours.

Also since my last post I have tried the 5-MAPB. I think I prefer MDMA.
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Condensed as in just more intense and shorter, or worthwhile in its own way beyond that?
 
I've got a sample of 5-apb coming in with 4f-mph. I love cathinones with a heavy dopa and a light to moderate sero touch like NEP or 3-MMC.

I've never tried 5-apb. I know I don't like straight up sero bombs or at least I know that I don't like 4-cmc or pure 3-fea. Although those two do mix well with dopa stims for me.

I was thinking of trying a light 40-50mg oral dose of 5-apb and insufflating 4f-mph on top of that to see if I get something like with NEP or 3-mmc.

I don't guess anyone else has tried something like this have they? Recommendations?

I'll report back hopefully before Sunday.
 
Didgital said:
So I've only been able to try the compounds once so I don't have tons of experience. However in a nutshell i would describe the 5-APB as being a condensed MDA experience and the 6-APB was an extended less intense version of MDA. It was maybe a little more stimulating, but less euphoria. Very different duration IME. The 5-APB was 5-7 hours and the 6-APB i felt for a good 12 hours.

Also since my last post I have tried the 5-MAPB. I think I prefer MDMA.
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I've not had the 5 (to the best of my knowledge), but I've had the 6 many times.


12 hours of fuckin bliss pretty much sums it up...
 
Hey guys. Just got my hand on a few grams 5 apb after a decade of not using 6 apb

Ive never done 5 apb only 6 apb and it usually hit after 1.5h

Im 1.45 min and i dont feel close to a high. i do feel something that kinda coming but its been the same for a hour. little little more the last 15 min. I took 70mg as it was said the last 5 apb from china is suppose to be super potent

I dont have any difference in eyes yet either

I really dident wanna take double the dose at my first time incease on sezure from just 100mg as some explain

can it really take 2h+ to kick in? ive given up the hope the last hour
 
Lordallmighty said:
Hey guys. Just got my hand on a few grams 5 apb after a decade of not using 6 apb

Ive never done 5 apb only 6 apb and it usually hit after 1.5h

Im 1.45 min and i dont feel close to a high. i do feel something that kinda coming but its been the same for a hour. little little more the last 15 min. I took 70mg as it was said the last 5 apb from china is suppose to be super potent

I dont have any difference in eyes yet either

I really dident wanna take double the dose at my first time incease on sezure from just 100mg as some explain

can it really take 2h+ to kick in? ive given up the hope the last hour
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It can take quite a while to reach the peak. The one thing I don't really like about 5-APB is the long, uncomfortable and drawn out come up. The peak is nice though. It can definitely take 2 hours to reach the peak. It has for me at least. 70mg should already be a fairly strong dose so I'd avoid taking anymore
 
SuperPsych said:
It can take quite a while to reach the peak. The one thing I don't really like about 5-APB is the long, uncomfortable and drawn out come up. The peak is nice though. It can definitely take 2 hours to reach the peak. It has for me at least. 70mg should already be a fairly strong dose so I'd avoid taking anymore
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Update: I dropped 70mg extra after i wrote this post, so around 150 in total, and after that dose the effect acually came on. But the euphoria wasent there. Just like last time doing MDMA and using NAC leading up to it. So it seems like NAC blunted alot of the effect.... again. Extremly frustrating

When i did MDMA tho i got a much bigger effect such as sedation/high, but without the euphoria. Wich would indicate that it was stronger then 5 apb (even tho both dident work). Tought 5 apb would be alot stronger then mdma, just like 6 apb but that wasent really correct

Next time il do 150-200mg i belive. This batch dosent seem to be the same people on reddit is warning about. Even if it had euphoria my first dose with 70-80mg wouldent be close to enough.

Back in the day when the first 6 apb batches came, me and my friend always dosed 300mg, with a redose of 200 hours later (not the succinate form). And it basically gave us a mephedrone high but for HOURS. litteraly laying in bed shaking/sezure for hours n hours - while you became one with the music

Those that take 200mg succinate and feel 6 apb isent great and mdma is better... they dose way to low.

6 apb when dosed high is the best substance ive ever used.

Had really high hopes with 5 apb but even if it had euphoria i think the dose much be much much higher
 
Lordallmighty said:
Update: I dropped 70mg extra after i wrote this post, so around 150 in total, and after that dose the effect acually came on. But the euphoria wasent there. Just like last time doing MDMA and using NAC leading up to it. So it seems like NAC blunted alot of the effect.... again. Extremly frustrating

When i did MDMA tho i got a much bigger effect such as sedation/high, but without the euphoria. Wich would indicate that it was stronger then 5 apb (even tho both dident work). Tought 5 apb would be alot stronger then mdma, just like 6 apb but that wasent really correct

Next time il do 150-200mg i belive. This batch dosent seem to be the same people on reddit is warning about. Even if it had euphoria my first dose with 70-80mg wouldent be close to enough.

Back in the day when the first 6 apb batches came, me and my friend always dosed 300mg, with a redose of 200 hours later (not the succinate form). And it basically gave us a mephedrone high but for HOURS. litteraly laying in bed shaking/sezure for hours n hours - while you became one with the music

Those that take 200mg succinate and feel 6 apb isent great and mdma is better... they dose way to low.

6 apb when dosed high is the best substance ive ever used.

Had really high hopes with 5 apb but even if it had euphoria i think the dose much be much much higher
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5-APB dose is about half of 6-APB. Next time I would recommend not taking NAC beforehand as NAC blunts the effects of almost all psychoactives. Save the NAC for after the roll. 150mg of 5-APB is a very heavy dose. You should be floored at that dose without NAC

Unfortunately I've only tried 6-APB once at around 100mg in not the best set/setting and had a lackluster experience. I wish it'd pop up again because I hear nothing but good things about it
 
SuperPsych said:
5-APB dose is about half of 6-APB. Next time I would recommend not taking NAC beforehand as NAC blunts the effects of almost all psychoactives. Save the NAC for after the roll. 150mg of 5-APB is a very heavy dose. You should be floored at that dose without NAC

Unfortunately I've only tried 6-APB once at around 100mg in not the best set/setting and had a lackluster experience. I wish it'd pop up again because I hear nothing but good things about it
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Its so frustrating cause i really tought the half life/elimination life would be up. But ive seen some post from people needing to stop NAC 2 weeks before, not just a few days before

I was really surpriced learning that 6 apb have been legal in netherlands for 10 years straight.. i tought all EU banned these compounds just like how they banned 4mmc,3mmc,4mec and so on so i stopped looking for it after the ban in europe. And right now after i just learning that its been legal in netherlands it turns out NL is about to mass ban basically every great drug thats been legal. Seems like they had some issues and postponed the ban but it will happen any day now
 
Lordallmighty said:
Its so frustrating cause i really tought the half life/elimination life would be up. But ive seen some post from people needing to stop NAC 2 weeks before, not just a few days before

I was really surpriced learning that 6 apb have been legal in netherlands for 10 years straight.. i tought all EU banned these compounds just like how they banned 4mmc,3mmc,4mec and so on so i stopped looking for it after the ban in europe. And right now after i just learning that its been legal in netherlands it turns out NL is about to mass ban basically every great drug thats been legal. Seems like they had some issues and postponed the ban but it will happen any day now
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21 january, wonder if there is a wash out period or immediate ?
Btw the outcome, so will it be accepted [or not] is on that date

Btw they are gone do this despite negative advise, from a kinda trust worthy name.
Then again putting it on your RC vendor page kinda raises the question.
What your aim harm reduction or money game.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
21 january, wonder if there is a wash out period or immediate ?
Btw the outcome, so will it be accepted [or not] is on that date

Btw they are gone do this despite negative advise, from a kinda trust worthy name.
Then again putting it on your RC vendor page kinda raises the question.
What your aim harm reduction or money game.
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Putting what on my RC vendors name? i dident mention a vendor nor a name

Nor do i understand what you are talking about.

I took over a weeks break from NAC pre roll. still blunted
 
SuperPsych said:
Yeah I've had NAC mess with my drug experiences up to a week after my last NAC dose
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Damn a week for you too.

This makes me really worried in starting MSM (the sulfur that creates nac/methionine).
But its incredible for joint pain and energy

So if NAC wich should be out of your body in a day, MSM on the other hand have a 3-7 days half life... so possibly 20 days lasting

Its strange as ive seen DMSO be used as a solvent in mushrooms, and they wrote it had a MAOI effect and make the shrooms much stronger.
But 10-20% of DMSO creates MSM wich then creates NAC/methionine


Ive stopped MSM until ive had a few journeys. i cant keep getting blocked like this is driving me insaine
 
Lordallmighty said:
Putting what on my RC vendors name? i dident mention a vendor nor a name

Nor do i understand what you are talking about.

I took over a weeks break from NAC pre roll. still blunted
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A Dutch RC Vendor keeps me/ us updated on the situation.
On the site, not personal. And certainly not about you.
Sorry it came over as a that, miscommunication. Sorry.

Just watched the Dutch RC, they call them NPS.
Debate almost till the end.
Quite interesting watching your own Politician s at work.
4 and 1/2 hour long men, and they don t even use drugs !

Must say the ones promoting were full of shit.
The used manipulation tactics. Lied.
And made claims without staving em with facts

But the opposites quite well informed,
integer and discussed like i learned at school.


28 January we will get the conclusion.

Myself i don t use Emphatogen s that much any more.
Lysergic s took there place.

NAC helps with restoring MDMA.
Wish i knew back then.
 
How much stronger is rectal application compared to oral?

I don't have much left & really wanna get the most out of it.
I loved 5-APB a lot & it's a shame that it'll be banned.
 
Anyone ever mix 5-APB and MDMA? If so, how were the effects and at what ratio? Going to a show and I'm thinking maybe 100mg MDMA + 30mg 5-APB. It's a 6 hour show so I think that 5-APB's longer duration might help a bit
 
Adding to the data. Used the super powdery mislabeled 6apb.
Experienced MDMA/5MAPB/MDA partaker. Usual dosage of MDMA is 100mg with 50 redose, first alerts in 30minutes and blastoff 1hr in.

First time dosage was ~55mg 5apb followed up 50mg MDMA approximately 40 minutes later. Not a usual dosing regimen as unfamiliar day party venue with unknown security.
Had a HEAVY lunch approximately 35 minutes before dosing. delayed come up of approximately 3+ hours and then FULL ON effects of 5apb and MDMA together.
Other users info about this stuff being strong is correct. some gurning but all around very enjoyable and equivalent to a solid roll at at maybe a 125mg MDMA dosage. \
Cannot comment about duration as the evening included ubering to a strip club and wandering around a casino and drinking.

Second time dosing ~ 56mg 5APB with partner dosing 40mg 5APB. both dropped at 6pm. partner had first alerts around 7pm and comeup was quick and steep for her with full on around 745 (empty stomach).
My own first alerts were similar but full on seemed to take longer for me (had extremely light meal at 515). definitely full on by 815pm. Partner indicated staying pretty peaked till 2am.
I redosed 1/4 pressed pill of MDMA at 12am and stayed on till 2:30 with a quick drop-off. Would say this is pretty close to an MDMA party night but the duration is definitely longer by a solid 2 hrs.

for future dosing - will try a little higher. 60mg by itself. I think this should be the sweet spot if it's a usual 4hr clubbing type evening if timed properly. I'd also say the comeup on this is similar to my experiences with MDA (tougher and longer for me than MDMA and 5MAPB, which I both very much enjoy).
a lot more chest tightness and uneasiness. but reminders to breath deeply helps it pass.

Hope to hug you all out there.
 
This could have been in the mx-pcp thread just as easily but there were some things that seemed to lean more empathogen than dissociative for me.

4:30PM I parachuted 175mg with little tolerance. Took 500mg phenibut at the same time.

5:15PM First alerts. Mostly jaw tension and nauseated.

6:00PM I took an edible. At this point the nausea was mostly gone and it was starting to get this warm heart-centered stoned feeling. Still Subtle at this point.

7:00PM Going strong at this point, still coming up but I knew there wasn't much left to go. I broke up a 100mg crystal into fine powder and made 6 lines. I did two lines within 30min. 1st line added a touch of floatiness and dopa warmth that added to the roll. 2nd line transformed the experience into something different. And lines after that put into a full on trip which neither alone at any dose would really do.

The dissociation had so much warmth and meaning and cozy ooey gooey lovey dovey euphoria in addition to the floatiness and detachment, also there was slight speediness and everything in its right place feeling from the disso. I think my disso of choice (mx-pcp) kept it clear headed in addition to the stimulation of 5-apb. I kept doing lines of mx-pcp for many more hours. I stayed sharp with even steady energy even deep into dissociation even if I was a little stumbly on my feet. It did start to tilt more trip and dissociation to the point that the empathogen was coloring the dissociative experience but it was still a very different experience than taking 5-apb on its own.

Now the cat saga. Shortly after the peak stabilized my cat found me and we started a cuddle fest. Then as quickly as she came in she left which isn't a common thing for her. I kept myself entertained with music, chatgpt, and youtube vids, and some play and cuddles with the pupper. Most music was piano, strings, and downtempo electronica. But many hours passed by and no kitty. I took the woofer for a walk and still no sign. Ordinarily I would just be amused by the mysteries of cats but this time I cried and longed for and missed the kitty and couldn't stop worrying about whether or not she was okay. I knew in my head this was normal cat behavior for an indoor and outdoor cat but I couldn't stop longing.

Finally she came back! I could hear her murder cooeying while she's playing with a rat she found!!! Apparently she was hunting. Normally I'd be annoyed because now I have a rat to pick up but I was just so happy she was back. She finished with the rat and just gave me a slow blink so I slow blinked back and then she went outside again where I followed but this time she stayed close. She still had a bunch of that huntress tiny tiger call of the wild spark energy coursing through her veins but it wasn't something she pushed me away with. I wanted cuddles and tenderness but she just wanted to play fight so I just went along. I feel more connected and understand what's going on with her when she's gone for 8, 12hr, or sometimes even more time than that. She's following strong instincts and has nothing to do with her being mad or dissappointed with me. She in fact shared her success and celebration and her energy with me by bringing her trophy back and sharing her playful excited energy with me. If fact if I'm totally honest about I love that there's this wild animal part of her that she gets to express. It might be more dangerous for her to be an outdoor kitty but this is a part of her I think we both love and cherish. There's a level of understanding, connection, and trust there now even in the next day.

Something that's just normally a part of the day felt incredibly special and I still feel like I carry a little bit of that something even with the chemicals gone. It's amazing how much I can feel and connect when the walls are down and boundaries dissolve and I'm in a bubble of trust and safety. Both chems were a part of this. The mxpcp turned this into a archetypal story of mythic proportion while the 5-apb gave it warmth, color, glow, meaning and connection the combination creating this beautiful saga of longing, trust, and reunion. I had no idea I loved the kitty so much.

The body orgasm was muted but still there but there. It was still even more euphoria than 5-apb alone and it just felt a lot more profound and meaningful and centered not just in the heart but in the soul deep in the psyche. Visually things had a lot of color saturation and at times would even breath and glow when I was still.

It stayed strong even at 12hr mark which at that point it started to very slowly taper. I didn't sleep until 21hr after I took it and I could still feel both a little. I slept a total of 20hr in one go uninterrupted. Towards the very end I started doing baby lines of o-pcp for a cooler more detached and reflective landing and this was about right since I wanted tranquil crystalline peace and serenity without so much heavy feeling since I was exhausted at that point. It didn't kill what the empathogen was giving but it sure did change the flavor. It was perfect for the time but I wouldn't want to start early with that disso. I'll try 2fxipr with it next time. It's fairly euphoric but not as much as mxpcp but it is easier going and more psychedelic at the same time and has the capacity for depth at high doses and is fun with weed at lower doses.
 
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