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Nazi concentration camps man.
not once did i say anything about nazi concentration camps.

definitions matter. so do accurate portrayals of the others' arguments.

Palestinians living in Israel than living in Gaza..
you're being pedantic.

fine: "ethnically cleansing gaza". a "literal concentration camp of gazans in rafah".

and brushing off war crimes (yeah, sure maybe they're doin some war crimes, but not that other stuff [pedantry]) seems like it misses the point. the war crimes ARE the big point, and although ethnic cleansing isn't technically illegal internationally, killing journalists and collective punishment is.

and the icj has ruled that they are looking into the genocide charges and are taking them seriously... and please make an argument that the terms of the geneva genocide convention don't line up, cause i'm getting (from others, not so much you) a lot of fallacious and empty tut-tutting about how it's definitely not genocide.. i'm waiting on a convincing breakdown about how none of the terms of the genocide convention fit this situation.

i wait with breath held.
 
find me a new word, then, if nazis are the only ones ever able to have the term applied to them...

but i looked it up earlier, and it isn't the only context. there is the general term that applies to this situation.
 
Left wing extremism is worse than right wing extremism
They're both fucked but in different ways. As someone ostensibly on the left myself, I find the contemporary leftist swerve into authoritarian, illiberal, identity politics territory to be simply maddening. The left have devolved so much and to such an extent that I can't really claim fealty there anymore. But the extreme right are simply no better and are just as captured by race politics and populist stupidity as their opposition.
 
They're both fucked but in different ways. As someone ostensibly on the left myself, I find the contemporary leftist swerve into authoritarian, illiberal, identity politics territory to be simply maddening. The left have devolved so much and to such an extent that I can't really claim fealty there anymore. But the extreme right are simply no better and are just as captured by race politics and populist stupidity as their opposition.
"Both sides are the same" please lol
 
Zionists stole the land that has been fought over 1000 years or so, dunno exactly. They pushed palestinians to this little zone and they've been doing all sorts of stuff to kill them, destroy their culture and generally just make their lives next to impossible. Few people left there are largely miserable and some radicalize and turn into hamas which operates in that area.

So mostly it is just zionists entitled behaviour. I am not well-versed in character of Hamas but it is apparently shitty organization, like every other organization humans ever come up with.
As a Jew whose family has never lived anywhere else but this land I can only laugh sadly. When the very first Arab appeared IN ARABIA in 853 BCE there was a Jewish State here that was already 500+ years & counting.

When the very first Arab INVADED this land in 634 CE Jews had 2000+ years here with our last sovereign state only ending 15 months before.

As the oldest extant group on this land...a group predating Arabs here by 2000+ years...a group whose sovereign state existed 500+ years before the 1st Arab stepped onto the historical stage IN ARABIA, how could THIS GROUP, THE JEWS, be stealing anything Arab?

From the Atlantic coast of West Africa all the way east to Central Asia on the Iranian border, is one giant Arab expanse. Yet Arabs are indigenous only in tiny parts of Saudi Arabia & Yemem. How did Arabs gain 20 other states on 2 continents? THEY STOLE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.

Now tiny Israel has managed to re-assert its indigenous rights & throw off this racist Arab oppression but you imagine Israel to be stealing Arab land??? Hubris.

As for Zionists pushing Arabs into tiny zones? Ignoring all the factual info I have posted, Israel exists on a mere 12% of its legally allocated territory, a mere 8% of its historical indigenous territory. In 1920 the League of Nations created Mandatory Palestine for the Jews & the Jews alone while simultaneously creating 4 new Arab States. 8 months later foreign nations began stealing Jewish land.

Take Jordan for example, 77% of Mandatory Palestine was illegaly severed by the British to create yet another Arab State. Then, the Golan was severed. After this, what is now Southern Lebanon north to Sidon was stolen. Shall I continue?

You know nothing about us yet you sit here justifying the atrocities of October 7th based on nothing but lies spoonfed to you by the Western Media. Things are changing. People are waking up. Maybe you should at least do some objective research before you too decide where you will stand on the side of history.

As for "few people left there," again, what ridiculousness. There are 10 million Arabs west of the Jordan River.
 
It has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with the formation of Israel as a state and it's strategic importance to the west. The suez canal is vital and you as a Brit should be particularly concerned because if the Germans had successfully choked off the Suez Canal during WW2 than the UK would have been unable to continue fighting.
Seeing as how Israel has never been anything but victimised by the West I take issue with your characterisation. Britain tried to destroy Israel. The US only grew close in 2017. Pointing to the Suez is just bizarre. Take out a map. Colour in all Hashemite polities of the 20th & 21st Centuries & see what remains.
 
Honestly, I don't give a single fuck what happened 2000+ years ago.
Except that Jews have been continuously on this land since that first Jewish State 500+ years before Arabs even existed. Bit different than what you infer.

But, let us examine it a tad bit differently: IF your ancestors were exiled from a land 2,000 years ago, but have retained a directly evolved belief system and culture which cherishes a given land, why should your group not be at least given a miniscule portion of it?
 
the israelis have no agency? that's pretty antisemitic to insinuate that. they can't stop themselves from doing war crimes? what a silly thing to think.


a VERY small minority of ppl living there now; and still not an excuse for war crimes.


gazans. brown ppl. non- white- jews. take yer pic.

why do you lean into this meaningless semantics argument that you'd forfeit if you'd just look up ethnicity and read more than one definition?
First, no Jew is white (except for very recent European converts). To state that Israel is Ethnically Cleansing anyone...In 1949 there were 220,000 Arabs in Gaza. Today there are 2.3 million+.

In 1949 there were 465,000 Arabs in what you undoubtedly refer to as "The West Bank." Today there are 4.7 million.

In 1949 Israel had 110,000 Arab CITIZENS. Today there are 2+ million.

Facts would really help your argument...Do let us examine the ridiculous claim that Israel is Ethnically Cleansing "non white Jews." A nation that was worried about Attrition by Replacement Fertility would not have tried to do without a single Jew, no matter their skin tone. In fact? Between 1949 and 1953 Israel risked its very existence to airlift 94% of Jews in the Arab & Islamic Worlds. 1.1 million Jews flooded what was then an agrarian nation under attack by 9 Arab States & countless muhajidin.

Jews of all skintones lived in tents far, far longer than any Palestinian demographic did. The UNRWA did not pay a single pence or penny. Jews took care of outselves just as we always have, iregardless of percentages of melanin.
 
Except that Jews have been continuously on this land since that first Jewish State 500+ years before Arabs even existed. Bit different than what you infer.

But, let us examine it a tad bit differently: IF your ancestors were exiled from a land 2,000 years ago, but have retained a directly evolved belief system and culture which cherishes a given land, why should your group not be at least given a miniscule portion of it?
this might come as surprise, but no, I don't think that way. I consider that barely relevant at all. I don't even ask for returning Karjala to Finland, even tho there are some people in my country who have lived there. There are so many people of other nation living there, I don't care to mess things.

your rhetorics of inherited rights are not really practical. E: in that scale
 
.In 1949 there were 220,000 Arabs in Gaza. Today there are 2.3 million+.
why do ppl keep laying into this shitty reasoning as though it's a slam dunk?

firstly, even if GENOCIDE was the question: according to international law, that point would be moot.

and since the topic is the current ethnic cleansing of gaza, that point is even more moot.


Jews of all skintones lived in tents far, far longer than any Palestinian demographic did.
is this an argument in support of war crimes? or what was your point with this? please go slow, apparently i'm not so smart cause i don't get what history has to do with whether or not israel is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
 
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