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Fuck Macedonia, those barbarians.

Persia 4 lyfe.
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>someone breaks into your home and kills a family member

>you kill them

>then you go kill 27 of their family members

>self-defense against barbarians

>fighting for freedom!

This is ignoring 30+ years of Hamas launching rockets into Israel. Not at the IDF, but specifically targeting civilians.

Israel's response was to more than just Oct 7th... but the blame game could go back infinitely in time. Humans suck.
 
Its free speech

to commit suicide? Or to use someone's suicide to advance your political agenda?

In either case, it's not really relevant. Free speech doesn't translate to morally correct speech. I wasn't discussing constitutional rights.
 
Not good idea talking to Americans about who owned what land 2000 years ago🤣🤣
Tbf everyone was fucking everyone over back then. Still are.
 
this might come as surprise, but no, I don't think that way. I consider that barely relevant at all. I don't even ask for returning Karjala to Finland, even tho there are some people in my country who have lived there. There are so many people of other nation living there, I don't care to mess things.

your rhetorics of inherited rights are not really practical. E: in
I admire you. I really, really do. A person completely rejecting all inheritance is a person sleeping rough with a sign on your sleeping bag inviting passerby to tale whatever meager possesions you still have. But you? You go even further & that is incredible. Kudos! Not only do you sleep on a sidewalk but you are stateless as well. Your commitment to absolving inherited rights is stupefying.

As soon as mankind primarily left the Hunter Gatherer stage, they settled down and when they did so, they naturally expected that all their blood, sweat & tears spent improving their little piece of paradise would be protected by inalienable rights of inheritance.

It is possible to dismiss anything said by anybody as rhetoric. It allows 12 year olds to wallow in the grandeur of ignorance. Simply shoving grimy thunbs into their ears screaming, "I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU !!!"

But here is the kicker: You only apply your absolutist notion to Jews. You accuse Jews of living on Palestinian land (forgive me, your selflessnesd inspired me to examine you prior posts in this thread). You stated that Israel is a Colonialist endeavour. Ergo, the close to 7 million Jews in Israel should not live here. Where is your argument against the rights of inheritance there?

You dismiss very simple facts without a rebuttal, let alone an admission of error. But yours is merely a not so clever attempt to dance around the issues stated. To wit, A Jewish State sat here more than 500 years before the very first Arab entered existence IN ARABIA. That when the very first Arab INVADED this land, Jews had 2,000+ years here. Ever since that invasion there has been a continued Jewish existence. Oh, that is right! No rights of inheritwnce. Who cares that anywhere an Arab exists here, they do so upon stolen Jewish land.
The fact that this soil is literally comprised of my ancestors' bones is irelevant...but some Arab's home & hearth DO matter to you. I reckon that you are one of those people who imagined that the Levant was Judenfrei until Zionism. IF SO, guess again. This is not about Jews moving to a land that has been free of Jews for 2,000 years.
 
why do ppl keep laying into this shitty reasoning as though it's a slam dunk?

firstly, even if GENOCIDE was the question: according to international law, that point would be moot.

and since the topic is the current ethnic cleansing of gaza, that point is even more moot.



is this an argument in support of war crimes? or what was your point with this? please go slow, apparently i'm not so smart cause i don't get what history has to do with whether or not israel is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I do not kniw why anyone else posts very simple facts but I do know that I posted population stats because they prove that claims of Israel committing Genocide against Palestinians is absolute nonsense. Genocide does not produce the literally highest population increases in history. Those simple numbers erase the primary accusation of the Nakhba Narrative.

As for commiting Genocide in the present conflict- my subjective participation in this war aside,,,EVEN IF we accept HAMAS' stats on Gazan deaths...heck, lets double their stats & say that 60,000 Gazans have died...& let us imagine all 60,000 to have been children. There are roughly 1.4 million Gazans under age 18. Do the math: 60,000: 1,400,000+. Either Israel is the most inept actor in history...or else the accusation is Grade A rubbish.

War sucks. Visceral inages of crying and wounded children elicit predictable responses. Arab propagandists and complicit media outlets do what they always do. My saddest memoury of October 7th was arriving in Kibbutz 'Aza & seeing the GoPro footage from a dead Gazan attacker. He raped a Jewish woman in front of her screaming toddler. Then, he literally placed that little crying boy into an oven & literally cooked him to death. I could tell of many, many atrocities but that particular one stays with me in a huge way.

Genocide you say? In my own family, in 1929 twenty-two were murdered in my family home in Hebron. I could tell of my 3-year old uncle Aharon of blessed memoury. They took him by his feet and swung him into a brick wall, leaving him brain dead. I should be thankful because Arabs then sliced off his genitals. He died less than a week later at Strauss Clinic in Jerusalem. 19 years before Israel even existed Arabs tried to slaughter every Jew in Hebron. Then, before that, the same transpired in 1923, 1920, 1911, 1890, 1834, 1800, 1799, so on & so forth. THESE were acts of genocide.

You speak of Ethnically Cleansing Gaza? AGAIN, do the math. In reality, HAMAS says, 30,000 odd Gazans are dead, out of almost 2.4 million all told. But, as for Ethnic Cleansing, 109 Gazans voluntarily left Gaza with foreign passports. 109: 2,400,000. The accusation is a joke.

Accusing me of arguing in favour of War Crimes is beyond bizzare. I simply demolished claims of Genocide perpetuated by Israel made by you. The IDF operates under more media outlets than any other military in the world. Where are the War Crimes?
 
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regardless of what you think of his other ideas, he's very realist here in analyzing the situation from his perspective

He is all over the place, as he always is. In this interview he equivocates between HAMAS & the Israeli Government. That alone deserves tossing this interview into the rubbish bin.

I need to add, why do people care what he thinks? You can cherrypick pieces to support any position. He seems to be playing with people, jumping all over the map. His aubjective political orientation is a fine example, a Communist who honestly believes Communism to be impossible in real world application. I agree with him that Communism is untenable but then ask,how can one identify with a political system that is inapplicable.
 
I admire you. I really, really do. A person completely rejecting all inheritance is a person sleeping rough with a sign on your sleeping bag inviting passerby to tale whatever meager possesions you still have. But you? You go even further & that is incredible. Kudos! Not only do you sleep on a sidewalk but you are stateless as well. Your commitment to absolving inherited rights is stupefying.
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but you left out of the quote of my comment E: inheritance in that grand scale you are pursuing or something to that effect.

I recognize that nations, borders and states and justice systems and stuff, are not completely trivial or without value, even tho I am sort of an anarchist or at least somewhat close to anarchist. But you are trying to take those concepts so far, it gets just mess. But if you really want to look at it with some distorted eyeglasses you may find some purpose in it, I guess, but when you do that, you don't realize it couldn't work or is not practical because of all the other facts you have dismissed.
 
In this interview he equivocates between HAMAS & the Israeli Government. That alone deserves tossing this interview into the rubbish bin.
why? both are far-right bloodthirsty theocratic regimes that want to eliminate the other.... why is that a bad analogy?

He seems to be playing with people, jumping all over the map.

you have no concept of the idea of "thought experiments"?

His aubjective political orientation is a fine example, a Communist who honestly believes Communism to be impossible in real world application. I agree with him that Communism is untenable but then ask,how can one identify with a political system that is inapplicable.

I absolutely hate capitalism, but also would not chose to live in a different system.
 
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they prove that claims of Israel committing Genocide against Palestinians is absolute nonsense.
please read the geneva genocide convention and come back when you're actually ready for this debate, when you do, realize the genocide question is about current affairs and whether they constitute genocidal actions.
 
Snafu, what do you want to see happen with this conflict?
Israel being more surgical in nature, less bombing, less civilian deaths, but I think they have every right to eliminate Hamas as they see fit.

I'd love to see neighboring Muslim countries offer to help Palestinians.

You said "Palestinians are trapped".... well, that implicates several countries, not just Israel.
 
If a Hamas terrorist took over an Israeli hospital and was launching rockets from it, would it be okay for Israel to bomb it, potentially killing hundreds of Israeli civilians?

If not, why?

The Israeli government's first responsibility is to protect Israeli citizens. So no, of course not.

What is the point of this question though? Which hospital in Gaza did Israel bomb where hundreds of Palestinian civilians died?
 
Israel being more surgical in nature, less bombing, less civilian deaths, but I think they have every right to eliminate Hamas as they see fit.

I'd love to see neighboring Muslim countries offer to help Palestinians.

You said "Palestinians are trapped".... well, that implicates several countries, not just Israel.
So do you think they have a right to kill civilians? Since that is currently what they see fit to do?

29,000 Palestinians dead.
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