Israel is under attack

[swilow]

honestly: You seem to have a set opinion, and you already seem to think worse of Arabs.

The majority of your posts are just irrelevant meandering so forgive me for ignoring 99% of it. But I do take issue with this sort of comment. I'm clearly not talking about Arabs- do you think the 800,000+ Jews that were expelled from Arabic countries and that I'm very obviously sympathising with aren't Arabs?

My criticism is directed solely at a belief system. And that is fair game. Unlike ethnicity or gender or hair colour, beliefs can be changed and rational criticism of them is one way to do so. To be clear, I'm talking about the barbaric medieval religious beliefs of fundamentalist, jihadist Islam.

 

[nepalnt21]

do you have any statistics on exactly where in the south they bombed and how many civilians were killed there?

not all of us have the time to be terminally online

where are the Christians in the US calling for the genocide of homosexuals?!

typically in the bible belt, pretty sure. i did a mini report on a few of these evil morons, in the lgbtq+ thread.

 

[xaddictx]

No one says they are all evil, no one chooses where they are born. On the same token, don't pretend for one second there aren't multiple Islamic dominated countries that are completely fucking bonkers, we can all see it with our own eyes thank you very much. And they were that way before the Anglo-American establishment started playing games. Long before.

You're trying to paint a disingenuous picture that it is all the West's fault for the way things are in that part of the world, which is just nonsense. Islam has been bonkers long before the Anglo empire even came into being.

And why should we give a fuck about Arab culture? We're not obliged to, and they certainly don't give a fuck about our culture. It's been demonstrated quite clearly in the UK, France, and elsewhere, just what they think of non-Islamic cultures. You give an inch and they take a mile. So stop with the bullshit accusations against the West, these people would have taken the piss regardless of what the West has done. The Islamic religion leaves the door wide open for it, it doesn't need anyone else to push them through it.

Very much agreed. To blame the West for this cluster fuck is plain ignorant and assinine.

 

[mal3volent]

not all of us have the time to be terminally online

I'll take that as a no?

typically in the bible belt, pretty sure. i did a mini report on a few of these evil morons, in the lgbtq+ thread.

Wow, that is amazing. You would think as a gay man who has spent his entire life in the Bible Belt I would have noticed the genocide of homosexuals happening all around me.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

I'll take that as a no?



Wow, that is amazing. You would think as a gay man who has spent his entire life in the Bible Belt I would have noticed the genocide of homosexuals happening all around me.

tbf he didn't say there was any genocide, merely that people were "calling" for it

I mean, I bet that someone, somewhere is "calling" for the genocide of every group/race/whatever on the planet, so his point is weak sauce anyway

 

[mal3volent]

tbf he didn't say there was any genocide, merely that people were "calling" for it

I mean, I bet that someone, somewhere is "calling" for the genocide of every group/race/whatever on the planet, so his point is weak sauce anyway

fair point, I cannot keep track of the bullshit anymore apparently

 

[JGrimez]

Israel should pull back and negotiate because they're losing a lot of support from their allies:
These 8 countries have pulled ambassadors from Israel amid Hamas war:
South Africa, Jordan, Turkey, Chile, Colombia, Chad, Honduras, Bahrain, Bolivia.

South Africa launches case at UN court accusing Israel of breaching Genocide Convention
South Africa accusing you of war crimes is not a good look.

I worry Israel and the US are isolating themselves on the world stage via actions that are avoidable.

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[mal3volent]

Israel should pull back and negotiate because they're losing a lot of support from their allies:
These 8 countries have pulled ambassadors from Israel amid Hamas war:
South Africa, Jordan, Turkey, Chile, Colombia, Chad, Honduras, Bahrain, Bolivia.

South Africa launches case at UN court accusing Israel of breaching Genocide Convention
South Africa accusing you of war crimes is not a good look.

I worry Israel and the US are isolating themselves on the world stage via actions that are avoidable.

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Dude, when have you ever cared about "the world stage" ? Don't make me laugh. Whenever you aren't talking shit about Israel, you are railing against globalism, no?

 

[JGrimez]

Dude, when have you ever cared about "the world stage" ? Don't make me laugh. Whenever you aren't talking shit about Israel, you are railing against globalism, no?

Why do you always resort to personal attacks when I'm just trying to discuss a topic? Are you going to address what I just wrote? Do we need to swap roles here?

 

[JGrimez]

Dude, when have you ever cared about "the world stage" ? Don't make me laugh. Whenever you aren't talking shit about Israel, you are railing against globalism, no?

Ironically, since I have direct ties to Israel, I actually do care about their reputation on the world stage much more than you do.
You might say that you do but you don't because you support actions that are unnecessary and extremely detrimental, not only to Israel, but to global security in general.
If you are still supporting Israel's military action, I would ask you what benefits you think they're having.

 

[Electrum1]

Lol why would they care what Honduras thinks

 

[mal3volent]

Ironically, since I have direct ties to Israel, I actually do care about their reputation on the world stage much more than you do.
You might say that you do but you don't because you support actions that are unnecessary and extremely detrimental, not only to Israel, but to global security in general.
If you are still supporting Israel's military action, I would ask you what benefits you think they're having.

So no answer then. Shocker.

 

[paranoid android]

Israel brought this on themselves. They backed Hamas against the PLO anyway so really they are reaping what they sow

 

[swilow]

Israel brought this on themselves. They backed Hamas against the PLO anyway so really they are reaping what they sow

If anyone said this about Palestinians, they'd be called pro genocide. Weird double standards we're navigating here.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

If anyone said this about Palestinians, they'd be called pro genocide. Weird double standards we're navigating here.

Could be double standards or perhaps cognitive dissonance. I would like to believe it's just the latter but the flag avatar @paranoid android displays suggests that it might be more likely the former.

 

[paranoid android]

If anyone said this about Palestinians, they'd be called pro genocide. Weird double standards we're navigating here.

I don't know how the truth could be considered pro genocide. Did Israel not fund Hamas? And just so we are clear i do not support Hamas as they are no better then Israel

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

I don't know how the truth could be considered pro genocide. Did Israel not fund Hamas?

Israel did not directly help HAMAS financially... HAMAS skimmed money from humanitarian funds meant for Palestinian civilians. But nice try

Left unspoken were the many ways the international community—and even Israel itself—inadvertently helped Hamas fill its coffers. The Islamist group has raised tens of millions of dollars by skimming off humanitarian assistance and taxing economic activity stirred by a trade opening into its Gaza Strip stronghold, according to independent researchers and current and former Western security officials.
The flow of money illustrates the conundrum Israel and the West have faced since 2007, when Hamas wrested control of the strip from its rival, the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority: How to support Palestinian civilians in Gaza without empowering a group promoting violence against Israel. The recent Hamas attacks show how the international community has struggled to walk that line.

Link to source

 

[paranoid android]

This https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html says otherwise. Well that and many stories. Also Israel has funded other Islamist groups against Communists such as what they did in Lebanon. Basically they are acting like every other colonizing country such as Britain, America, France, etc

 

[swilow]

I don't know how the truth could be considered pro genocide. Did Israel not fund Hamas? And just so we are clear i do not support Hamas as they are no better then Israel

And Palestinians in Gaza voted Hamas in. If Israel are responsible for Hamas, why aren't Palestinians?

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

This https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html says otherwise. Well that and many stories. Also Israel has funded other Islamist groups against Communists such as what they did in Lebanon. Basically they are acting like every other colonizing country such as Britain, America, France, etc

Again that money was not given to HAMAS to wage war, it was given as humanitarian help to build Palestine's infrastructure. What did Palestine do with the money? No sign of of infrastructure improvement, but a heck of a lot of arms and ammunition, plus plenty of military tunnels built.

The person the NYT quoted is a hard line right wing Zionist who does not want Israel to help Palestine in any way whatsoever, even with humanitarian assistance. But as usual the NYT has no problem distorting facts so that it appears that Israel actively supported HAMAS war efforts.