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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

Juicewrldfan said:
Yeah I hate racists of all colors. No one should be judged for innate qualities. Can’t change your skin color or sex or if you have a disability. Can’t stand discrimination.

One thing recently hate is when I hear a minority of black people talking about they want whites to pay for what our ancestors did and act racist towards whites. But I’m sure they weee already racist and just this outed them sooner. Most black people I know aren’t but there’s a very small amount of all races that’s racist I’m sure.
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People trying to stir up trouble when so much progess has been made. Dividing and causing hate. They always look to stir up trouble; usually for their own benefit or as an excuse.
 
Jnowhere said:
100 grams of morphine; maybe@ Also Tapered know how much after acetic anhydryde( mis) and other stuff and factors
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Well, actually that's a REALLY good question.

The OFFICIAL price for morphine sulfate paid on the open market is anywhere from $10000 to $40000 per Kg.

Which is, frankly, why their IS a black market for heroin and indeed synthetics. That range is simply ridiculous and yet it is the published figures derived from the fact that all legal sales of morphine have a huge paper-trail.

When I tell you that the OFFICIAL price for codeine phosphate is anywhere from $111 to $1023 per Kg, that might sound odd.

The thing to know is that almost ALL of the codeine phosphate on the market is made from morphine.

SOMEBODY is causing the price of morphine to be hugely inflated. especially when you consider that 300 tonnes of it are being legally traded every year.

Acetic anhydride is kind of interesting. It's listed by the UNODC as a schedule I precursor but it finds large scale industrial use in the range of millions of tonnes per annum. of course, their are ways around this. In SE Asia heroin producers had switched to using ethylidene diacetate but in fact their are dozens of commercial intermediates that COULD substitute for AA but AA is the cheapest and control over it's distribution has been an utter failure.

I think when you realize that methadone costs $364 to $1915/Kg and 'only' 59 tonnes of it were legally traded in 2022, the cost of a material and the price charged sometimes DO match up. When REAL competition is in action. Tramadol is just $34-$81/Kg because, I presume, it's not even listed in the UNODC. No more of a paper-trail than an antibiotic.

BTW the eradication of opium production in Afghanistan MIGHT not be as consistent as most of the media would have us believe. There are remote areas of Afghanistan where their honestly is NO alternative. The nation is so lacking in infrastructure that farmers have no other way of making money. No other crop has a shelf-life of years. When you consider the ridiculous prices that, for a better term, the 'syndicate of nations' that officially produce morphine are charging, it would seem to make sense to allow production. Officially it's because some of that legally grown opium would end up being used to make heroin, but right now it's that H production that's funding a civil war in Myanmar. So it is my belief that it's a political issue disguised as a practical one.
 
BadBoy377 said:
I really don't, perhaps you could spell it out for me seeing as I'm a fuckin IDIOT? The simpler the better, please. Because currently it reads like you're saying black people are the problem. Which I find an offensive point of view.
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BECAUSE YOU SAID that was some bullshit racism!! i never said the N---R word ffs! i simply said black?? and yes its TRUE, negros people are the major problem in us for seling coke laced with fent and the same for h. as you know there is some fent laced wit h AND nitazene as well in uk CAME mostly from negros in uk. NOW, WHY? because they look up to those negros in us who seem to be alway carry wad of cash for camera! im so SICK of them, they literally Ruined by throwin in dangerouss substance for e,g Nitazene cos they KNEW the users cant be able to test with using kits to find out if there is nitazene, the cops said they seized phone off them and saw the test message between gang member and most of them said fuck englsih people, we wil make millions off the white people and killing them off mean NOTHING to them, this OFFENEDED me so much! i wanted all negros OUT of uk, that why i dont like them. it was FIRST TIME the cops saw the mind into them and how their minds work and understood what they are like. they are as BAD as mex cartel! black alway said they have suffered from slavery and said they were the first race in the world to be sold as slave??OH REALLY?? WRONG!!!! it actually was the white, the IRISH who were in fact the first slaves in the world to be sold for slavery by british empire. i didnt KNOW THIS, the irish fella whom i know of, he gone back to ireland cos of brexit, told me all about it, me and him became very good friends for years! that how i know this.
 
AlsoTapered said:
Well, actually that's a REALLY good question.

The OFFICIAL price for morphine sulfate paid on the open market is anywhere from $10000 to $40000 per Kg.

Which is, frankly, why their IS a black market for heroin and indeed synthetics. That range is simply ridiculous and yet it is the published figures derived from the fact that all legal sales of morphine have a huge paper-trail.

When I tell you that the OFFICIAL price for codeine phosphate is anywhere from $111 to $1023 per Kg, that might sound odd.

The thing to know is that almost ALL of the codeine phosphate on the market is made from morphine.

SOMEBODY is causing the price of morphine to be hugely inflated. especially when you consider that 300 tonnes of it are being legally traded every year.

Acetic anhydride is kind of interesting. It's listed by the UNODC as a schedule I precursor but it finds large scale industrial use in the range of millions of tonnes per annum. of course, their are ways around this. In SE Asia heroin producers had switched to using ethylidene diacetate but in fact their are dozens of commercial intermediates that COULD substitute for AA but AA is the cheapest and control over it's distribution has been an utter failure.

I think when you realize that methadone costs $364 to $1915/Kg and 'only' 59 tonnes of it were legally traded in 2022, the cost of a material and the price charged sometimes DO match up. When REAL competition is in action. Tramadol is just $34-$81/Kg because, I presume, it's not even listed in the UNODC. No more of a paper-trail than an antibiotic.

BTW the eradication of opium production in Afghanistan MIGHT not be as consistent as most of the media would have us believe. There are remote areas of Afghanistan where their honestly is NO alternative. The nation is so lacking in infrastructure that farmers have no other way of making money. No other crop has a shelf-life of years. When you consider the ridiculous prices that, for a better term, the 'syndicate of nations' that officially produce morphine are charging, it would seem to make sense to allow production. Officially it's because some of that legally grown opium would end up being used to make heroin, but right now it's that H production that's funding a civil war in Myanmar. So it is my belief that it's a political issue disguised as a practical one.
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OH YEAH, almost forgot, recently i was lookin up on google about acetic anhydride in afghanistan, they used to get HIGH QUAITY acetic anydride for FREE and to manufacture very high quality heroin called WHITE BASE HEROIN 96% purity, that white base heroin is actually in between #3 and #4, FAR SUPERIOR than heroin HCL #4 of 92% pure. SO what happened was high quality of acetic anydride has gotten alot HARDER to source ATM since 2015, it was ALL BECAUSE of former undoc a man called angela de costa, he was so obbession with afghanistan opiate trade, he said HQ acetic anydride was the reason for increasin HEROIN use in the world so he wanted to do something about it, he knew some1 in the nato army who was stationed in afghanistan to go find where the HQ acetic anhydride were comin from inside afghanistan and they have found it, so angela decosta were determinded in his power to destroy the company who supplied drug baron HQ acetic anhydride for free but thing started to change and more difficult for the company and the company decided to charge drug baron for HQ acetic anydride, AGAIN angela decosta decided to blacklist the company from acquiring HQ acetic anhydride from anywhere and the nato raided the company and seized ALL of HQ acetic anydride. AND there was shit LOADS of medium quality acetic anhydride there but the nato didnt have the order to seized that so they left it alone. nato reported this to angeka de costa and he said medium quality acetic anhydride is of NO CONCERN to him BECAUSE they wont increase heroin use world wide WHERE HQ acetic anhydride does! TODAY, drug baron still use meduim quality AA for manufacture. IF you go on darknet and u wil notice a photo of heroin with black dot? this is cos they still use medium qaultiy of AA. if they used high quality AA THEN this wil REMOVE ALL BLACK DOT as al impure natural alkoid are REMOVED complete, giving you a much CLEANER and high quality heroin, you would be able to feel EUPHORIC on 30%puyre of heroin BUT, with medium quality AA, you wont be able to feel euphoric if u smoked them on foil usin 30%pure heroin, that is the REALITY TODAY. i HATED that man angela decosta for that, because this paved the way for fentantly and other to appear on black market! i do KNOW you can get HQ acetic anhydride in europe but its difficult to acqure them in large amount and send them to afhanistan and it wil be seized by the custom so its too RISKY! SO IT WAS DECIDED that the europe drug gang buy afghan opium and have them trafficked to europe and manufacture in europe but they ran into a problem, they hav had hard time LOCATING that highly skilled chemist who used to manufacture ALL those high quality of heroin comin out of afghanistan,they need this chemist and hire him/her BUT the chemist simply vanished, face fall off earth, the talbain, the europe&uk gangs and the pakistan are tryin to find this guy for few years now with no luck! they accuse DEA of arrestin the chemist and bought to us to face trial and they managed to keep this under radar BUT dea have DENY this, so nobody KNOWS WHRE this guy is. OR what happened to him LOL. i must admit, i found this very unsual story lol
 
PJACK22 said:
black alway said they have suffered from slavery and said they were the first race in the world to be sold as slave??OH REALLY?? WRONG!!!! it actually was the white, the IRISH who were in fact the first slaves in the world to be sold for slavery by british empire. i didnt KNOW THIS, the irish fella whom i know of, he gone back to ireland cos of brexit, told me all about it, me and him became very good friends for years! that how i know this.
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You know that's historically inaccurate bollocks don't you?

You sound angry bro. Smoke a joint and have a wank
 
PJACK22 said:
BECAUSE YOU SAID that was some bullshit racism!! i never said the N---R word ffs! i simply said black?? and yes its TRUE, negros people are the major problem in us for seling coke laced with fent and the same for h. as you know there is some fent laced wit h AND nitazene as well in uk CAME mostly from negros in uk. NOW, WHY? because they look up to those negros in us who seem to be alway carry wad of cash for camera! im so SICK of them, they literally Ruined by throwin in dangerouss substance for e,g Nitazene cos they KNEW the users cant be able to test with using kits to find out if there is nitazene, the cops said they seized phone off them and saw the test message between gang member and most of them said fuck englsih people, we wil make millions off the white people and killing them off mean NOTHING to them, this OFFENEDED me so much! i wanted all negros OUT of uk, that why i dont like them. it was FIRST TIME the cops saw the mind into them and how their minds work and understood what they are like. they are as BAD as mex cartel! black alway said they have suffered from slavery and said they were the first race in the world to be sold as slave??OH REALLY?? WRONG!!!! it actually was the white, the IRISH who were in fact the first slaves in the world to be sold for slavery by british empire. i didnt KNOW THIS, the irish fella whom i know of, he gone back to ireland cos of brexit, told me all about it, me and him became very good friends for years! that how i know this.
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I see... Thankyou for explaining it so simply for me. So what you ARE saying is that BLACK people ARE the PROBLEM?

So it is bullshit racism. You are entitled to your opinion even if it divisive racist shite but... Go fuck yourself.
 
AlsoTapered said:
SOMEBODY is causing the price of morphine to be hugely inflated.
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I am far from having your amounts of knowledge and information, @AlsoTapered, but I will share a thought with you: maybe you are aware of a Spanish pharma company called Alcaliber. They had the turkish opium importing monopoly for the nation's pharma even before Franco, and after the turkish ban (or better the ban on Turkey) of 1974, when UNO urged some countries to sow Ppver somnf, they started producing morphine, more and more (and more) until Spain, that is Alcaliber itself, reached a point in 2020 or 2021 were they were producing an amazing 27% of the world's morphine supply.

Well, the owner of the company just sold it like 2 years ago. Who bought it? Good old british GHO Capital, operation advised by Rothschild.

Now, when the head of a successful 90 years old family owned monopoly of poppy based meds sells it to a bunch of financial vultures, you can expect no good thing for the morphine markets
So I wouldn't be surprised if that "somebody" that you are looking for were to be among those folks

(Mind you that the Spanish govmt is also guilty as they allowed that sale to happen, but that's another story)
 
Alcaliber is new to me but it's painfully obvious that drugs listed in the UNODC cost vastly more than even synthetically complex opioids that are not.

It's supposed to be because a lot of security has to surround the production but it's evidently a cartel.
 
Alcaliber's web obviously has its English version; it's general and vague but kind of interesting.
(As you like to research, you will find that Alcaliber was created in the 70s and that I talked about a centenary monopoly. That's cause it was the Abelló family's labs who owned the monopoly, and then the same family founded Alcaliber brand when they were required to start growing poppies themselves
 
Beautiful nod all day, I've been going in and out of it all day since 11am & it's so natural, I've got the comb out to scratch my back so i can scratch the parts my hands can't reach.

This is proper gear for once and not that synthetic shit that just fucks you up, this is the good Heroin as "God" intended it to be.

Just about to have the tooter with a Caramel coffee in a minute.

Today has been a good drug day.
 
Usual man was off so had to ring a guy I last spoke to on Christmas night at 7pm. I couldn't get any offers so it was 9 for 60!!!

Gear was good though, not as potent as it has been but it's still clean and good. The full price stung a bit though.
 
I think John Cooper Clarke described the heroin experience best - 'First it's fun, then it's not, then it's hell'.

I suppose the truth is that if one can financially support a habit (I've known a number of very successful addicts),u the only issue is a regular supply.

One guy I knew well quit, went onto methadone and promptly had a heart attack and died. He was on a lot of methadone.

But what creeped me was that he wanted to stop, his GF did not. When he died, she was hitting up his patents claiming she was pregnant and they PAID the mortgage and gave her money.

Gear seems to wreck relationships mainly because of the lies and most of the lies revolve around the money.
 
AlsoTapered said:
I think John Cooper Clarke described the heroin experience best - 'First it's fun, then it's not, then it's hell'

I suppose the truth is that if one can financially support a habit (I've known a number of very successful addicts),u the only issue is a regular supply.
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Yeah, but it's the massive and continual variation in quality, strength, and adultarants too that causes major issues. It would have been a very different story in the early 70s say, when apparently it was possible for registered addicts to get pure heroin on the NHS. According to Keif Richards anyway, in his famous book, Life.

I guess the extremely well connected might have better and constant access to highly consistent gear, but even they are always playing roulette to some extent.

I've known several 'functional addicts' on here, and also via the snippets celebrities release about themselves direcly, or via the media.
 
Interesting how the truth varies from what celebs come out with in their colourful autobiographies.

It might be my memory of what was in that book that's at fault, but I don't think so.
 
Such terrible pain in both sides of my hips today I could hardly walk and getting out of bed to stand up was terrible, I was seriously worried I'd not be able to walk today. Whatever is wrong with me is getting worse.

I had a nice tooter from last night and did the lot in one go, I didn't know it was possible to inhale like that. When I blew it out it went directly to the pain, caused a "pins and needles" feeling and in 20 seconds max it was gone and I could walk ❤️🙏🙏🙏

The relief from the pain is beyond words to express, I'd be rolling around cussing "God" and everything else on this damn planet if I'd not got that gear down my neck.

Heroin may have many faults with it but for pain nothing comes close to it, I'd honestly not be walking or moving around today if I'd not got a smoke, it wouldn't be possible to walk the 5 minutes round the corner to score it was that bad.
 
blondin said:
DM was never available on the NHS you could get a Harley street script up until the mid 60's when there were approx 5-600 addicts now there are about 300'000 - great policy to move it underground, right peeps?
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Their have been NHS HAT trials since the early 80s at least. I've even met people who are prescribed injectable diamorphine dry-amps but along with cocaine and Diconal, heroin is one of the three drugs a doctor requires a Home Office licence to prescribe for the treatment of addiction. It's still rare because methadone is SO cheap.

What is not so clear is the doctors who were prescribing ampoules of morphine as prescribing morphine to treat opiate addiction didn't require a HO licence. That seems more nebulous as their are certainly cases of NHS doctors in the 1960s getting into trouble for over-prescribing it. I mean, apart from palliative care, their aren't many reasons to prescribe an injectable opioid that I can think of.
 
AlsoTapered said:
Their have been NHS HAT trials since the early 80s at least. I've even met people who are prescribed injectable diamorphine dry-amps but along with cocaine and Diconal, heroin is one of the three drugs a doctor requires a Home Office licence to prescribe for the treatment of addiction. It's still rare because methadone is SO cheap.

What is not so clear is the doctors who were prescribing ampoules of morphine as prescribing morphine to treat opiate addiction didn't require a HO licence. That seems more nebulous as their are certainly cases of NHS doctors in the 1960s getting into trouble for over-prescribing it. I mean, apart from palliative care, their aren't many reasons to prescribe an injectable opioid that I can think of.
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It's cheaper to give Methadone scripts than Heroin scripts?
I assumed it was more work to make methadone than heroin.

What kind of precursors do you need to make methadone compared to heroin? I'm not a chemist so try to keep it in simple terms.

It's clear you know chemistry stuff but my knowledge ends at removing the HCL from stuff to make it freebase sadly. I'm not even a Mr Gupta's Discount store Shulgin 😉

PIHKAL to me is "Pound shops I have known and loved"
 
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