Recovery The 2023 Recovery Thread

[Frog Dreams]

By the same logic, i don't really have a choice, do i?

No, but I am part of your environment.

I don't think there is a high likelihood of convincing you (to love & forgive yourself) but that's not going to stop me trying.

If they fucked up in some kind of major way, then i would be worried if they didn't.

You can learn from your past without self-shaming. It doesn't help.

And what age are we talking about here?

Do you honestly believe small children should feel shame?

Narcissists think they are perfect, and narcissists are quite literally human trash in my eyes.

Narcissists think they are more perfect than others. Whereas, I am saying that everyone is perfect. I am at peace. I am not in conflict with anything in the universe. I don't think there are any mistakes.

dissatisfied

Dissatisfaction is not synonymous with shame.

You have stumbled upon my overall point, here.

There are other - more effective - motivators than shame.

If that's the whole story, i'll just punch my mother in the face next time i see her.

If your mother is neglectful and abusive towards you as a small child and you punch her in the face, you shouldn't feel shame about that.

Instead, you should go on an introspective journey and try to understand why that event occurred.

Shame isn't going to help with that journey, IMO.

It's well documented that perpetrators of sexual abuse are very likely to have been sexually abused as children. We tend to just shame them and say they are "human trash" (to use your words) but how unfortunate for them to have been raised in that environment. I pity them. I don't think in terms of trash and non-trash when it comes to humans or sharks.

People like to shit on narcissists. Why? What about bi-polar people? Are they human trash?

I guess i should apply this to myself too, i'll give you that.

100%. You should. Let it go. Forgive yourself.

 

[kiely]

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I don't know how you do it. You are really a strong soul (person). You should be the poster child of the Universe for Awesomeness.

But I couldn't do what you do. I wouldn't know how to do it and I couldn't. Anyway, I can't believe you are that strong. Really.

I am just so sorry that you are going through everything all at once right now. Or that sure is amazing strength that you have right now.

Take care of yourself and I do wish the best for you always. It seems overwhelming right now. I am sure it is.

I am going to really pray for you too because I am probably going to need to do a lot of that soon also most definitely.

Anyway it just stood out to me that you are doing so much service to others, yes, right now as well.

Please try to rest and heal as much as possible. Eat eggs and natural beef broth. Veggies are medicinal too. I hope that you stay comfortably well and strong in these trying times that are pretty much all of the time and most always.

I know that we all suffer. I am just saying, I guess, that I really admire your strength very much so.

Take care and drop us any kind of smiles whenever you may want, if possible and anytime. Pretty Please if you want to. Just that . . . It's a Blessing.

Take care Lovely one, I mean Painful. heckie yesie

I hope Ur Alright.

 

[kiely]

I never really did way too many meds. But my medication always did help me.

I got a blood test for fasting and two other viles. But testing for cholesterol at this time of the year ! Wow what a waste.

But I guess it was time. But wow what timing. Lol.

Umm yeah. The weather is perfect. It feels sooo good. Summer the heat almost killed me. What . . . . was with this heat.

It's not right. I am sure it had something to do with those fires. Omg it stunk so bad in Kentucky it was hard to even breath the

air. Just drove through it but dang almost regurged it. Something wrong. Serious. I think I got downwinded and poisoned too from these last few years of it.

I won't live as long as my parents, I feel. My moms

was so healthy but I think the air got her too. Sorry, I think that I thunk too much just now. Sweet Dreams.

 

[thatmf]

I got myself a nice acoustic guitar...crazy how much I still remember, felt amazing just playing chords and melodies and scales Hope you're all doing ok.

 

[kiely]

I got myself a nice acoustic guitar...crazy how much I still remember, felt amazing just playing chords and melodies and scales Hope you're all doing ok.

isn't acoustic just so beautiful. but i'm serious.

 

[kiely]

NICE !

 

[Frog Dreams]

I'm not telling you what to think or feel.

I'll drop it, as requested.

Anti-Narcissism

This has been lingering in my brain for years. It seems like society only approves of hatred towards a handful of mental illnesses: narcissism / sociopathy / psycopathy. People openly (socially) criticize narcissists. They also diagnose them. (It tends to mostly be women calling men...

bluelight.org

They manipulate and hurt the people... You can't trust (them)... everything about them is fake... They are literally less than human... I don't give a damn if they can't help it. It's still best to just avoid this breed of human trash.

Some people might say all that about addicts.

 

[kiely]

Have you ever dealt with a narcissist? They manipulate and hurt the people around them for an ego boost. You can't trust a narcissist because everything about them is fake. They are literally less than human. I don't give a damn if they can't help it. It's still best to just avoid this breed of human trash.

Someone with bipolar is usually at least able to take others into consideration and own up to their mistakes.

I am sorry if you want to drop this though. I will delete this if you want.


wow where did that knowledge and perception come from. amazing. i am just stating a fascinating fact. and i enjoyed your passion.

oh and everyone's as well.

 

[Jnowhere]

Narcissists are made not born. They can get so full of themselves and contempt for others they become full blown sociopaths.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Narcissists are made not born. They can get so full of themselves and contempt for others they become full blown sociopaths.

Yeah I've seen this.

People suppress their empathy as they get more of a taste for power. To try to achieve more.. usually it's those who are in such an off character to their natural personality that crash and burn.

 

[kiely]

Narcissists are made not born. They can get so full of themselves and contempt for others they become full blown sociopaths.

From my observation objectively it is probably close to 99.98 % of the time they are made and not born and is just their way having a reaction for the way that they deal with such incidents and the experience of what they had to encounter personally. In other words most of the time this is the occurrence and spawning in the making so to speak.

Anyway. . . It seems kind of innate and natural sometimes but seems to be more rare as most of it seems to develop out of trauma. From my experience from interacting anyway.

Probably too much internet at this point . . but I hope not.

 

[kiely]

Yeah I've seen this.

People suppress their empathy as they get more of a taste for power. To try to achieve more.. usually it's those who are in such an off character to their natural personality that crash and burn.

Strongly and solidly have a tendency to fully agree !!!


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[Jnowhere]

Full blown out of control addicts may exhibit traits of personality disorders or mental illness. The real question is what is their personality when they are sober,( I mean they are sober and remaining sober) ?
Yes I am well aware that certain long term addictions can really mess with your brain permanently.

 

[kiely]

Full blown out of control addicts may exhibit traits of personality disorders or mental illness. The real question is what is their personality when they are sober,( I mean they are sober and remaining sober) ?
Yes I am well aware that certain long term addictions can really mess with your brain permanently.

Yeah or why must there be that contradiction then when they want what they want and will get it whenever and however they will.

Sober or under the influence of whatever is involved, the end result will be the same. Narcissistic sociopathic and or all of them psychopathic all of the above. Lol.

Deep but imperative of understanding and grasping the comprehension as a whole. Yes fo real !

I'm tired. I think.

 

[Jnowhere]

I am wondering is it an American Federal law, or a Michigan state law that patients on narcotics have to piss in a cup each visit. Luckily I remembered I have doctors appointment today( over the phone) no pissing in cup. And I get charged over$60 each time, to piss in a cup.

 

[kiely]

Full blown out of control addicts may exhibit traits of personality disorders or mental illness. The real question is what is their personality when they are sober,( I mean they are sober and remaining sober) ?
Yes I am well aware that certain long term addictions can really mess with your brain permanently.

I guess it's just draining trying so hard to comprehend it all. But it is doable anyway.

 

[thatmf]

How did we get started on the narcissism topic? Lol. I feel attacked. I have asked my therapist whether I'm narcissistic and they said I'm within normal bounds. Sorry I haven't been active in replying, just so damn tired all the time. This diet is eating at me (ha ha). I think the term is "cutting"? I'm starting to get my head around it slowly. Starting something awesome next week :D

 

[kiely]

You can do this. Stay strong.

!!

 

[Jnowhere]

Yeah or why must there be that contradiction then when they want what they want and will get it whenever and however they will.

Sober or under the influence of whatever is involved, the end result will be the same. Narcissistic sociopathic and or all of them psychopathic all of the above. Lol.

Deep but imperative of understanding and grasping the comprehension as a whole. Yes fo real !

I'm tired. I think

People can sober up: besides we were on a discussion on narcissists and sociopaths.
They are made not born. They are literally self centered pieces of garbage. It is their choice that they make unlike: schizophrenia or bi-polar disorders. The guy who started this, Frog Dreams, feels sorry for Hitler and rapists.
Narcissist's are self centered selfish basards. There is an old saying: psychopaths are born, Sociopaths are made.
A Narcissist started this last night and even created a thread to prove he is right. The anti- narcissis thread to defend narcissis

 

[elgoucho9]

Finally found up with's wrong. It's a hietual hernia. All symptoms mimic the symptoms of someone exeriencinh a heart attack 2 yesrs of this playing on my mind. I am so happy to find out i am not dying