Israel is under attack

[Doctor Steve Brule]

Aren't they trying to get other countries to take millions of the Palestinians?

 

[JGrimez]

You might get something out of this, JGrimez.

Avi the Israeli dude said basically he was ok with bombing an orphanage full of hundreds of children to kill 1 terrorist leader.
Imagine you were an elite bounty hunter chasing the #1 Most Wanted Man in America. He runs into an orphanage. Would law enforcement ever think "let's just blow up the entire orphanage". It would be a patently insane suggestion.

 

[JGrimez]

Aren't they trying to get other countries to take millions of the Palestinians?

You mean other countries where they haven't been directly living for the recent generations?

Funny how a big part of the the anti-slavery, anti-colonialism crowd is completely OK with just forcing people from their homes (and also locking them up while controlling their utilities.

 

[mal3volent]

Avi the Israeli dude said basically he was ok with bombing an orphanage full of hundreds of children to kill 1 terrorist leader.
Imagine you were an elite bounty hunter chasing the #1 Most Wanted Man in America. He runs into an orphanage. Would law enforcement ever think "let's just blow up the entire orphanage". It would be a patently insane suggestion.

He actually said that he wasn't an expert and didn't know all the specifics of the situation. Then when asked if other strategies were available and could be utilized, and they decided to go ahead with the bombing anyway, that yes he would condemn it.

But nice misrepresentation though, as usual. I'll assume @someguyontheinternet didn't watch it either since he enthusiastically agrees with you.

Are you just going to keep ignoring the evidence I posted? Or are you just going to permanently add rape-denier to your illustrious list of achievements?

 

[negrogesic]

You might get something out of this, JGrimez.

That dude doesn't look like any aboriginal Australian I've seen. That claim, plus his conversion to Islam, makes him seem like a dude desperate for some sort of identity other than his own

 

[mal3volent]

That dude doesn't look like any aboriginal Australian I've seen. That claim, plus his conversion to Islam, makes him seem like a dude desperate for some sort of identity other than his own

he parrots Mohammed Hijab talking points ... he clearly isn't well off mentally

 

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That dude doesn't look like any aboriginal Australian I've seen. That claim, plus his conversion to Islam, makes him seem like a dude desperate for some sort of identity other than his own

I don't know, the beard and tea cozy are pretty convincing though right?

 

[JGrimez]

He actually said that he wasn't an expert and didn't know all the specifics of the situation. Then when asked if other strategies were available and could be utilized, and they decided to go ahead with the bombing anyway, that yes he would condemn it.

He said if there were no other options then it's ok to kill hundreds of children to get 1 terrorist leader.
There is always another option.

Are you just going to keep ignoring the evidence I posted? Or are you just going to permanently add rape-denier to your illustrious list of achievements?

Have you proven that rapes happened during that attack?
You said the government doubled down on the claim, just wondering where a government source has said that.
You ignored all of the evidence I posted of things that were originally stated as true by Israel/IDF/media which turned out to be completely without evidence.


Haaretz confirms Grayzone reporting it dismissed as 'conspiracy' showing Israel killed own festivalgoers

Haaretz has yet to admit it jumped the gun when it dismissed The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal as a 'conspiracy theorist' for documenting crucial evidence that Israeli forces killed Israelis on October 7. But new reports by the same outlet show we were right all along.

Israeli outlet Haaretz has acknowledged a police report confirmed partygoers at a festival three miles from the Gaza border were killed by the Israeli military on October 7, just two weeks after the publication accused Grayzone editor-in-chief Max Blumenthal of spreading "conspiracy theories" for reporting on the story.

In an article published November 19, Haaretz reporter Josh Breiner wrote that an official investigation into the deaths of Nova festival attendees "revealed that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived at the scene from the Ramat David base fired at the terrorists and apparently also hit some of the revelers who were there," citing "a police source."

Israel admits it killed its own at Nova music festival

 

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Have you proven that rapes happened during that attack?

What are you actually expecting here, or with the beheaded babies argument. For the government to come out and say, "yes, Miss X and Y were raped. Post-mortem reports confirm presence of semen and damage to the genitals". Or, "here's a picture of a beheaded baby". Would you even be satisfied at that point and not just accuse them of making it up? Somehow I think you'd find a way to deny it regardless given you clearly don't trust anything associated with the Israeli state.

Why are you so adamant to deny the possibility that these things occurred, given that historically Islamic nutjobs have done precisely these sorts of things to the people they've attacked. I've seen the video the a Hamas fighter trying to lop off some innocent guys head with a garden hoe, who was already in the process of dying anyway, which shows the kind of barbarity they are prepared to inflict. These sorts of fundamentalists are prepared to massacre innocent people for drawing a cartoon of their supposed prophet, it's really not a stretch.

Sheryl Sandberg joins Jewish women in calling out lack of concern about sexual assault of Israelis

Whether women were raped during the Hamas assault has been debated since the attack occurred, when video emerged of Hamas terrorists bundling an Israeli woman with what appeared to be blood on her pants into a vehicle in Gaza. Since then, Israeli police, military investigators and emergency responders have gathered testimony from people who witnessed sexual assault on Oct. 7 and documented evidence of assaults on the bodies of some who died.

Police: we have multiple witnesses for several cases
Israeli police said they have “multiple witnesses for several cases” of sexual abuse, but did not disclose the number of witness testimonies or active sexual assault cases being investigated, the Times of Israel reported. Police also have video evidence, testimony from interrogations, and photographs of victims’ bodies that suggest sexual assault took place on Oct. 7, according to the report.

 

[mal3volent]

Muhammed was a pedophile and rapist who enjoyed beheading his enemies. This is not slander or bigotry, it is documented fact from Islam's own religious texts.

 

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Muhammed was a pedophile and rapist who enjoyed beheading his enemies. This is not slander or bigotry, it is documented fact from Islam's own religious texts.

He also wore jizz stained clothes lmao. Found that one out the other day. Never realised the bar for being a prophet was so low.

 

[JGrimez]

What are you actually expecting here, or with the beheaded babies argument. For the government to come out and say, "yes, Miss X and Y were raped. Post-mortem reports confirm presence of semen and damage to the genitals". Or, "here's a picture of a beheaded baby". Would you even be satisfied at that point and not just accuse them of making it up? Somehow I think you'd find a way to deny it regardless given you clearly don't trust anything associated with the Israeli state.

I've heard quite a few people like Israeli govt, officials, commentators etc. deny that kids were being bombed and killed in Gaza. But I've seen videos myself, there's quite a lot coming out these days thanks to social media. Which is bringing in many more viewers to this conflict and is one of the reasons that Israel shut down internet communications in Gaza. So I've seen proof. When it comes to the early reporting of this attack, a lot of the stuff that they claimed happen did not. The fact that it even happened is suspicious enough, and I'm very suspicious of sensational claims that aim to maximize the perceived evil of the enemy at the same time they're attempting to drum up popular support for military action against them (I've seen this in propagandized war media many times already). If October 7 was framed as what it actually was - a military/defense failure by the Israelis - then the public would be less likely to support another Gaza war (where more young Israeli soldiers will die). But the incident was re-framed and peppered with sensational, unproven (yet unimaginably horrific) details that they know would get people so shocked and emotional that they would band together (the year-long, leftist Israeli protests ceased) and support whatever military action the government chose to take to "protect them" (yet they couldn't protect them on Oct 7...)

Basically it's best to argue what we can prove. And it's extremely unproductive to throw around faux-moralizing accusations at people in an attempt to discredit their valid arguments or concerns.
*clutches pearls* "how dare you demand evidence for the rapes! How dare you suggest they would ever fabricate or exaggerate a story as shocking and obviously true as this!!" etc etc. is not an argument.
And those people don't seem to show the same type of horror for maimed and injured people on the other side so that further exposes the lack of compassion. When they speak of October 7 they talk like it is one of the worst atrocities in history but when discussing innocent Palestinians being killed it's just collateral damage or calmly glossed over.

Why are you so adamant to deny the possibility that these things occurred,

I simply don't trust entities that I've proven have lied repeatedly in the past. Why are you so adamant to deny the possibility that a government would lie or exaggerate stuff like this in order to foment more hatred against an enemy.

given that historically Islamic nutjobs have done precisely these sorts of things to the people they've attacked.

Which is why you're so quick to blindly believe something without evidence.

I've seen the video the a Hamas fighter trying to lop off some innocent guys head with a garden hoe, who was already in the process of dying anyway, which shows the kind of barbarity they are prepared to inflict. These sorts of fundamentalists are prepared to massacre innocent people for drawing a cartoon of their supposed prophet, it's really not a stretch.

I would not be surprised if they raped people and I do actually believe there were rapes, if I had to bet I'd say there were some sexual assaults and then that was exaggerated for maximum effect.
The thing is, regardless of whether there were rapes or not, it's still not a justification for killing thousands of civilians.
And the way that these rapes are being used to shame people when they criticize Israeli foreign policy - just makes it even more suspicious.

 

[JGrimez]

Muhammed was a pedophile and rapist who enjoyed beheading his enemies. This is not slander or bigotry, it is documented fact from Islam's own religious texts.

Jews circumcize babies and the rabbi puts his mouth on the penis and sucks the wound clean (metzitzah b'peh).
This is happening today. Do you support this religious freedom?

 

[mal3volent]

Jews circumcize babies and the rabbi puts his mouth on the penis and sucks the wound clean (metzitzah b'peh).
This is happening today. Do you support this religious freedom?

of course not

 

[mal3volent]

@JGrimez you still believe sandy hook was a hoax too right?

do you think your conspiratorial beliefs about past tragedies makes you more likely to see other tragedies like 9/11, Oct 7 as a false flag/hoax as well?

 

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Jews circumcize babies and the rabbi puts his mouth on the penis and sucks the wound clean (metzitzah b'peh).

Boy have I got a surprise for you. You'll never guess which religious text is often used as the justification for female genital mutilation - and also male circumcision.

But I've seen videos myself, there's quite a lot coming out these days thanks to social media.

Right, so you'll believe unverifiable videos on social media from pro-Hamas sources, and people with clear biases i.e. some masked profile picture with scrawly Arabic handles, and place that higher in your trust ranking than videos from.. actual Hamas fighters who recorded themselves massacring Israelis which were then shown by Israeli (and international) media.

And don't tell me you know they're verified, I know you don't know Gaza well enough to know from a fucking video clip that it's actually in Gaza in 2023 and not Syria in 2016.

I simply don't trust entities that I've proven have lied repeatedly in the past. Why are you so adamant to deny the possibility that a government would lie or exaggerate stuff like this in order to foment more hatred against an enemy.

I don't trust the Israeli state any more than the British state, which is approximately zero. But unlike you I also do not trust a stateless terrorist organisation who have demonstrably lied in the current context. They tried to claim that their rocket was actually an Israeli airstrike that killed 500+ people at a hospital parking lot. For example.

Let's not pretend Hamas and many of the pro-Palestinian supporters, in Gaza and the West, are not completely full of shit too. Pretending they are not is, ironically, is exactly what the woke left tries to do in their hierarchy of oppression or whatever the fuck it is. Are you on the woke left?

Like seriously dude, the truth can be a bit of both in any given situation. Simply seeing it in such black and white, then thinking yourself superior as a conspiratorially minded person, actually doesn't make you any different a regular normie. It is possible for the Israeli state to be full of shit, getting bested by external adversaries who themselves are barbaric fucknuts. The truth is probably more complicated than this anyway, but the point is it is possible to hold more than one perspective as true at the same time.. it doesn't have to be exclusionary. That black and white thinking is precisely the type of thinking that keeps everyone trapped.

 

[Electrum1]

 

[JGrimez]

of course not

Why did you bring up the Muhammad pedo/beheading thing? Was that just a non-sequitur or were you trying to say something about the followers of that religion?
Would you say the same thing about Jews? Muhammad was a long time ago but they're still doing that ritualistic circumcision practice to this day. Do you think a practice like that should be banned?

@JGrimez you still believe sandy hook was a hoax too right?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

do you think your conspiratorial beliefs about past tragedies makes you more likely to see other tragedies like 9/11, Oct 7 as a false flag/hoax as well?

You'll notice earlier I posted a wiki entry for the Lavon Affair. This was an Israeli false flag in the 50's that failed and got exposed. If someone was observed doing something in the past then I will take that into account.
But regarding October 7, anyone who is still able to use basic critical thinking can see that the story doesn't make sense. The military were nowhere to be found, on the most surveilled border in the world, then when they rocked up 6 hours later their helicopters killed some partygoers. And that's the OFFICIAL story.

 

[JGrimez]

Boy have I got a surprise for you. You'll never guess which religious text is often used as the justification for female genital mutilation - and also male circumcision.

Why would that be a surprise. You guys are acting like I'm pro-Islam or something. I just think everyone should have basic human rights, regardless of anything else.
Do you think that the metzitzah b'peh (sucking circumcision ritual) should be banned?

Right, so you'll believe unverifiable videos on social media from pro-Hamas sources, and people with clear biases i.e. some masked profile picture with scrawly Arabic handles, and place that higher in your trust ranking than videos from.. actual Hamas fighters who recorded themselves massacring Israelis which were then shown by Israeli (and international) media.

Actually I saw some of the Hamas videos and they were fucked up. I believe they were real. I didn't see any rapes.

And don't tell me you know they're verified, I know you don't know Gaza well enough to know from a fucking video clip that it's actually in Gaza in 2023 and not Syria in 2016.

There are a flood of videos coming out of Gaza and you can easily find some verified ones through news media. It sounds like you haven't seen any or bothered to watch them. You should go watch them. You should take a look at what you're supporting. Because anyone with any real compassion will see those videos and admit that what's happening there is wrong, regardless of any propaganda. But some people will refuse to look at them or consider it because they're cheering for their favorite team and winning is all that matters.

I don't trust the Israeli state any more than the British state, which is approximately zero. But unlike you I also do not trust a stateless terrorist organisation who have demonstrably lied in the current context. They tried to claim that their rocket was actually an Israeli airstrike that killed 500+ people at a hospital parking lot. For example.

Bro, what the fuck? Are you guys simply unable to entertain a nuanced thought? Why do you say that I trust Hamas? You know there are something called independent human rights organisations. Why don't you look at what they are saying regarding the situation. I don't need to trust or condemn Hamas to understand why they're doing what they're doing.

Let's not pretend Hamas and many of the pro-Palestinian supporters, in Gaza and the West, are not completely full of shit too. Pretending they are not is, ironically, is exactly what the woke left tries to do in their hierarchy of oppression or whatever the fuck it is. Are you on the woke left?

I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me here but no I'm not on the woke left. I disagree with anyone who says "all Jews" are (insert bad word). But if there's a mentally ill gay leftist who thinks that they should stop bombing civilians and that all states should follow international law then I'm going to agree with they/them. The irony is actually that free speech/anti war used to be central tenets of the liberal.

Like seriously dude, the truth can be a bit of both in any given situation. Simply seeing it in such black and white, then thinking yourself superior as a conspiratorially minded person, actually doesn't make you any different a regular normie. It is possible for the Israeli state to be full of shit, getting bested by external adversaries who themselves are barbaric fucknuts. The truth is probably more complicated than this anyway, but the point is it is possible to hold more than one perspective as true at the same time.. it doesn't have to be exclusionary. That black and white thinking is precisely the type of thinking that keeps everyone trapped.

These are just nonsense words because you can't understand me. In your eyes I'm a "conspiracy person" because I say things different to the media you consume. The problem is is that I also bring facts and make sense. It's the opposite of black/white thinking, which would be (Israel = good guys, Hamas = bad guys) type of thinking that you guys are grasping onto. So I suspect some projection there with your comments to me.

 

[mal3volent]

Let the gaslighting begin.