Bupe Suboxone can ruin your life

[Hexenstahl]

@DeathIndustrial88
Here, look at this insane shit -> When your only option for severe chronic pain is the methadone clinic, the war on opiates has officially gone to goddamn far

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Same thing happened to me. I am still recovering, 6 months after l quit Subs. When you read the pamflet everything is nice and fine. 90% of side effects are not listed at all.

Where I am bupes come with such a pamflet (paper you get with tablets?) that as one medical professional told me, it's hard to see how anyone would take them after reading it. So even they sometimes do add or remove some parts with changing editions of same, it's always shows bupe as it is, very harmful shitty drug. I'll be sure to translate it when I get it in my hands next time.
One of things that was added and than removed is possibility of fatal liver failure, I guess as that shouldn't occur with normal use but list of side-effects and health problems it causes is still far longer and worse than with most drugs. For example compared to tramadol I would say it's at least a few times longer and more fucked up.

Not just that. There is also promotion of drug use by many users, including staff.

In fairness, I have been promoting 5-meo-DMT and classic natural psychedelics in general... but I do this because psychedelics are a great alternative to extremely harmful drugs like alcohol / meth / heroin / crack / ketamine / etc. 5-meo-DMT has had an entirely positive effect on me. It's not going to kill me.

In fairness you are promoting one of, if not, the most dangerous classic psychedelic. I've smoked and snorted 5-meo-DMT and while I do appreciate "bright white light" effect and find it unique and interesting I would worry less if I hypothetically gave a few tabs of BDF to someone and explained how to use it safely than a bagie with a few strong doses of 5-meo-DMT. And argument that 5-meo-DMT doesn't kill you but suffocating with a tongue or vomit is just...not right.

I have to disagree with you here. The harms of cannabis don't make the news as much because it doesn't leave a trail of bodies in its wake, but cannabis has been far more harmful to me and my life than opiates and I'm a former IV heroin addict.

I honestly look at opium and cannabis as similar in terms of harm potential.

I pretty much agree with this but only in context of current perception of mentioned drugs by most people, well most people smoking it. If I have treated cannabis in my teens and for a good part of my life as a potentially dangerous substance, like any drug, and not as absolutely harmless and even healthy substance risks and consequences of use would be minuscule. This way I'm on board with you, all opiates I have used trough my life probably caused me less damage than being a huge stoner. Thing is that both myself and many other cannabis lovers I know were bombarded from young age with info about good sides of cannabis and hardly any negative sides. And both myself and many of those found it isn't that harmless, most of us took 10+ years to realize that. I remember how back in the days just about any online place I participated, hell even some health professional I know, all talked how cannabis is demonized without good reason and you can basically use it consequence free. And funniest thing is that since the beginning of my drug use I've always been most informed and practising HR to biggest extent with most drugs compared to just about anyone, while I kind of didn't even consider need for HR with cannabis. Tho here my HR practices really failed was etizolam & coke but that's another story.

 

[Frog Dreams]

In fairness you are promoting one of, if not, the most dangerous classic psychedelic.

I'm not aware of any deaths that directly result from the use of 5-meo-DMT... but, yes, you're right, I should always specify that it must be done in a controlled environment with at the very least a trip sitter and preferably a trained facilitator. With bufo, the dangers are massively outweighed by the healing IMO.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

I'm not aware of any deaths that directly result from the use of 5-meo-DMT... but, yes, you're right, I should always specify that it must be done in a controlled environment with at the very least a trip sitter and preferably a trained facilitator. With bufo, the dangers are massively outweighed by the healing IMO.

If used in a right way by a responsible person it's like that with many drugs, tho defining right way isn't possible in generalized way.

 

[Frog Dreams]

I honestly don't think bufo is more dangerous than LSD. Certainly not when you compare mg to mg. (Undiluted) LSD is the strongest naturally occurring psychedelic drug in the world and it lasts a lot longer than (smoking) bufo. Bufo is also significantly less dangerous than Amanita Muscaria... so I disagree that it is the most dangerous psychedelic.

I will admit, upon reflection, that recommending people use 5-meo-DMT perhaps isn't exactly harm reduction. There are dangers, but it is also likely to cure other addictions.

I don't think 5-meo-DMT has an LD50, but bufotenine certainly does. So, toad secretions can be significantly dangerous depending on ROA. But (from my understanding) you'd need to consume a massive dose.

I'm not aware of any human deaths from bufotenine, but there probably have been some. I am not, however, suggesting that people consuming bufotenine.

I am aware of some indirect deaths from 5-meo-DMT, but it is non addictive and those situations are rare.

People have died indirectly as a result of consuming ayahuasca. People have died indirectly as a result of psilocin.

Bufo is a powerful healing medicine. The rewards IMO massively outweigh the risks.

If @Hexenstahl came onto a bufo thread and said she thought bufo was dangerous, I wouldn't explode into an angry rant and say abusive things. I would consider what she had to say, in the same way that I am considering what you have to say right now.

In future, when talking about bufo, I will be clearer about how powerful a medicine it is and the potential dangers.

When I find the time, I will also go backwards through my posts and add disclaimers to indicate as such.

defining right way isn't possible in generalized way

I can say that some facilitators shouldn't be trusted. Some of them are super dodgy. Just look at Octavio Rettig.

I'm not making patently false statements about bufo like the statements made in this thread about opioids, but I do see your point.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

I honestly don't think bufo is more dangerous than LSD. Certainly not when you compare mg to mg. (Undiluted) LSD is the strongest naturally occurring psychedelic drug in the world and it lasts a lot longer than (smoking) bufo. Bufo is also significantly less dangerous than Amanita Muscaria... so I disagree that it is the most dangerous psychedelic.

I will admit, upon reflection, that recommending people use 5-meo-DMT perhaps isn't exactly harm reduction. There are dangers, but it is also likely to cure other addictions.

Heard that about whole list of substances. And only one that seems to stand out as helping more than others seems to be ibogaine. I mean bigger % of people who try it really get lasting relief from addiction, especially opiate addiction, but even it doesn't work for many if not most. With other drugs that are said to help with addiction I don't think there's a huge dispersety in effectiveness as long the dose is high. I don't claim 5-meo-DMT isn't effective for but it just happens to be what helps you the most while other might get better result with something else. I've met people stopping addictive behaviour with a really broad selection of substances but generally it's after a really intense psychedelic experience. Dissos can work similarly but classic ones tend to come with risk of being next addiction.

I don't think 5-meo-DMT has an LD50, but bufotenine certainly does. So, toad secretions can be significantly dangerous depending on ROA. But (from my understanding) you'd need to consume a massive dose.

You mean doesn't have established LD50 for humans? Everything has lethal dose and therefore also LD50, even THC. Iirc LD50 for humans with THC would be translated into smoking equivalent of half or a whole kg of potent weed in minutes, so pretty much physically impossible.
With 5-meo-DMT it isn't even really hard. What might sound massive in terms of dose is still well within realms of smoking in one go. Most people who die from 5-meo-DMT do a combo with MAOi but it's definitely possible to die from it alone.

I am aware of some indirect deaths from 5-meo-DMT, but it is non addictive and those situations are rare.

Less or more indirect than bursting a colon cuz of too much opiates?

People have died indirectly as a result of consuming ayahuasca. People have died indirectly as a result of psilocin.

To consider a hit direct a massive load needs to fall on someone?

If @Hexenstahl came onto a bufo thread and said she thought bufo was dangerous, I wouldn't explode into an angry rant and say abusive things. I would consider what she had to say, in the same way that I am considering what you have to say right now.

I'm sure she is aware that being addicted to and in love with a substance by definition clouds perception about it, and I'm sure you are aware of that too. But I have to say that I agree with her that biggest part of harm from opiates isn't from drugs itself. But at the same time she's still young and still has a lot of time to properly get burned with opiates. Ain't either first or last person in the world who thinks she found a way to avoid consequences and get a free ride. Than again I feel pretty much like that about my morphine days, nothing wrong about it. Few years of 99.97% - 99.99% morphine sulphate (oral and snorted) powder did me no wrong. Even WDs were laughingly easy, well I did have some K for help iirc.
And you, I bet you'll grow out 5-meo-DMT sooner or later. By that I mean you'll realize it's no holy grail for anything, at least no more than next mind bending substance. Those who don't grow out of such phases tend to replace previous addiction with a new la-la land.

In future, when talking about bufo, I will be clearer about how powerful a medicine it is and the potential dangers.

When I find the time, I will also go backwards through my posts and add disclaimers to indicate as such.

That's a proper and good dedication.

I'm not making patently false statements about bufo like the statements made in this thread about opioids, but I do see your point.

Those are imho mostly just different world-views and not dangerous false info. On either side. Biggest concern I see that comes with promoting, pretty much truth about opiates, that negative side might be overlooked. When I was younger I really thought to avoid harm from opiates more or less what needs to be done is to avoid using more than twice a week and two days in a row. Well it ain't nearly that simple. But than again I remember abundant morphine lol. Morphine pretty much saved me and loosing it pretty much fucked me up since I became greedy with coke, again. I'm a quite specific heavy poly-drug user, well used to be so replacing stupid amounts of coke and some other stuff with morphine did me almost as much good as I was given ambrosia. How many years I would have if I didn't loose my supply? Who knows, but constant use would fuck me up in some way at some point enough to take a pause or stop completely, a lot less than stims would be, order of magnitude less. And imo and ime there wasn't really a lot more, if really even more, negative than positive sides of morphine use in my case. What's crucial to add is that I would 100% have a strong opiate prescribed for pain in most countries and probably if I wanted it enough I could get it even where I am. Tho not tasty powder morphine lol.

 

[Frog Dreams]

DISCLAIMER: 5-meo-DMT is an extremely powerful psychedelic drug and should be consumed with caution. The drug shouldn't be consumed alone. At bare minimum, there should be a trip sitter present. Preferably, it should be consumed in the presence of a trained and respected facilitator.

Heard that about whole list of substances. And only one that seems to stand out as helping more than others seems to be ibogaine. I mean bigger % of people who try it really get lasting relief from addiction

I'd have to see some statistics on that, rather than taking your word for it. There are studies that show extraordinary promise from 5-meo-DMT for all sorts of things, including reduced addiction to various substances. I realize that ibogaine is also useful in that department but the risks with ibogaine are higher from my understanding.

I'm not anti-ibogaine. I want to try it. I consider them both to be medicines.

Less or more indirect than bursting a colon cuz of too much opiates?

This is a fair point. I have already conceded that I am potentially contributing the opposite of harm reduction with my promotion of 5-meo-DMT... I truly believe it has the power to completely transform the world, but then I suppose some of the people I've been debating with in this thread might make the same assertion about opioids and while I disagree with them, who am I to say what is correct and what isn't. I'm just a guy.

I've met people stopping addictive behaviour with a really broad selection of substances but generally it's after a really intense psychedelic experience.

Yeah, in my personal experience psilocin and LSD also have massively contributed to reduction of addiction tendencies... but 5-meo-DMT is another ballpark as I suspect is ibogaine.

It will be hard for me to compare with ibogaine, because I'm not addicted to anything and don't think I will establish any future addictions, but you never know.

You mean doesn't have established LD50 for humans? Everything has lethal dose and therefore also LD50, even THC. Iirc LD50 for humans with THC would be translated into smoking equivalent of half or a whole kg of potent weed in minutes, so pretty much physically impossible.

What I mean is that it is extremely unlikely to cause death. It's hard to smoke enough THC to kill you and it's hard to smoke enough 5-meo-DMT to kill you.

With 5-meo-DMT it isn't even really hard. What might sound massive in terms of dose is still well within realms of smoking in one go. Most people who die from 5-meo-DMT do a combo with MAOi but it's definitely possible to die from it alone.

Has anyone ever died directly from smoking it without a contraindicating condition / substance?
I don't think so.

You are more likely to die as a direct result of drinking too much water.

To consider a hit direct a massive load needs to fall on someone?

I didn't quite understand that sentence.

Ayahuasca is very safe, from what I understand, unless it is combined with a contraindicating substance or somebody drives a car while under the influence and has an accident or something.

By itself, I don't think it has killed anyone. The same cannot be said for opioids.

I'm sure she is aware that being addicted to and in love with a substance by definition clouds perception about it, and I'm sure you are aware of that too. But I have to say that I agree with her that biggest part of harm from opiates isn't from drugs itself.

I agree with her about that too.

And you, I bet you'll grow out 5-meo-DMT sooner or later. By that I mean you'll realize it's no holy grail for anything, at least no more than next mind bending substance. Those who don't grow out of such phases tend to replace previous addiction with a new la-la land.

Massively disagree with you on that one. Have you had a breakthrough experience with 5-meo-DMT?

It has completely transformed my life. The benefits massively outweigh all the benefits of all other drugs put together.

I'm getting a Colorado River Toad tattooed on my back and prior to my first ceremony I have always been steadfastly anti-tattoo.

Those are imho mostly just different world-views and not dangerous false info.

Different world views?

She said opioid addiction doesn't harm people.

It has harmed me (and others I know) so it is false.

Just throw a stone around here. There are countless people suffering from this addiction.

On either side. Biggest concern I see that comes with promoting, pretty much truth about opiates, that negative side might be overlooked. When I was younger I really thought to avoid harm from opiates more or less what needs to be done is to avoid using more than twice a week and two days in a row. Well it ain't nearly that simple. But than again I remember abundant morphine lol. Morphine pretty much saved me and loosing it pretty much fucked me up since I became greedy with coke, again. I'm a quite specific heavy poly-drug user, well used to be so replacing stupid amounts of coke and some other stuff with morphine did me almost as much good as I was given ambrosia. How many years I would have if I didn't loose my supply? Who knows, but constant use would fuck me up in some way at some point enough to take a pause or stop completely, a lot less than stims would be, order of magnitude less. And imo and ime there wasn't really a lot more, if really even more, negative than positive sides of morphine use in my case. What's crucial to add is that I would 100% have a strong opiate prescribed for pain in most countries and probably if I wanted it enough I could get it even where I am. Tho not tasty powder morphine lol.

Heroin is a beautiful drug (I keep referring to H, because that is largely my experience with opioids) but it tends to have devastatingly negative effects in the long term.

I stated my opinion, which is that the world would be better off without recreational opioid use and I stand by that... but it's just my opinion.

People can respectfully disagree with me all they like.

I have zero issue with the way you have approached this discussion and I'm quite happy (as you can see) to admit when I'm wrong.

I clarified / retracted a couple of things after reading burn out's post and I have also clarified / retracted a couple of things here.

I don't mean to cause anyone any harm or distress.

...

The most contradictory thing I've said is that this website introduced me to substances I never otherwise would have heard of and I am doing the same thing with 5-meo-DMT.

Promoting recreational use of arsenic isn't the same as promoting recreational use of table salt. (I fully realize that I am justifying my blatant contradiction.)

@SpiralusSancti

I realize I asked this already, above: Have you had a breakthrough 5-meo-DMT experience?

It is an extremely powerful medicine. I don't think it is dangerous. I truly believe it is the key.

I need to get some sleep. My next ceremony starts in less than 8 hours.

DISCLAIMER: 5-meo-DMT is an extremely powerful psychedelic drug and should be consumed with caution. The drug shouldn't be consumed alone. At bare minimum, there should be a trip sitter present. Preferably, it should be consumed in the presence of a trained and respected facilitator.

 

[Frog Dreams]

@SpiralusSancti

Sorry, did you mean SSRI or MAOI?

Can you provide a link to a death from combining only 5-meo-DMT and an MAOI?

Most people who die from 5-meo-DMT do a combo with MAOi

Most people? How many people are we talking about here?

Deaths from 5-meo-DMT (without bufotenine) are extremely rare, if they exist.

I'm not aware of any deaths directly caused by the drug without other contraindicating conditions / substances.

 

[Hexenstahl]

@DeathIndustrial88
Hehe...yo DI has your colon already gone KABOOM? I just slammed Polamidon today and am desperately waiting for it to explode...tehehe...

 

[Burnt Offerings]

That’s one hell of case of OIC, goddamn…

 

[Man67]

Where I am bupes come with such a pamflet (paper you get with tablets?) that as one medical professional told me, it's hard to see how anyone would take them after reading it. So even they sometimes do add or remove some parts with changing editions of same, it's always shows bupe as it is, very harmful shitty drug. I'll be sure to translate it when I get it in my hands next time.
One of things that was added and than removed is possibility of fatal liver failure, I guess as that shouldn't occur with normal use but list of side-effects and health problems it causes is still far longer and worse than with most drugs. For example compared to tramadol I would say it's at least a few times longer and more fucked up.

In fairness you are promoting one of, if not, the most dangerous classic psychedelic. I've smoked and snorted 5-meo-DMT and while I do appreciate "bright white light" effect and find it unique and interesting I would worry less if I hypothetically gave a few tabs of BDF to someone and explained how to use it safely than a bagie with a few strong doses of 5-meo-DMT. And argument that 5-meo-DMT doesn't kill you but suffocating with a tongue or vomit is just...not right.

I pretty much agree with this but only in context of current perception of mentioned drugs by most people, well most people smoking it. If I have treated cannabis in my teens and for a good part of my life as a potentially dangerous substance, like any drug, and not as absolutely harmless and even healthy substance risks and consequences of use would be minuscule. This way I'm on board with you, all opiates I have used trough my life probably caused me less damage than being a huge stoner. Thing is that both myself and many other cannabis lovers I know were bombarded from young age with info about good sides of cannabis and hardly any negative sides. And both myself and many of those found it isn't that harmless, most of us took 10+ years to realize that. I remember how back in the days just about any online place I participated, hell even some health professional I know, all talked how cannabis is demonized without good reason and you can basically use it consequence free. And funniest thing is that since the beginning of my drug use I've always been most informed and practising HR to biggest extent with most drugs compared to just about anyone, while I kind of didn't even consider need for HR with cannabis. Tho here my HR practices really failed was etizolam & coke but that's another story.

There was a 2 page pamflet in the box with some basic info. There is no warning about tooth decay which is the most common side effect.

 

[Hexenstahl]

There was a 2 page pamflet in the box with some basic info. There is no warning about tooth decay which is the most common side effect.

Tooth decay seems to be caused only by transmucosal application of buprenorphine, since pain patients getting bupe don't seem to suffer from this adverse health effect. It could be avoided if bupe for OUD was approved for transdermal or intravenous application.

Buprenorphine: Drug Safety Communication

FDA is warning that dental problems have been reported with medicines containing buprenorphine that are dissolved in the mouth.

www.fda.gov

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Yeah exactly. Why does anyone care what I put into my body when it doesn't potentially endanger anyone else? People should be more worried about individuals on alcohol in public. Plenty of times drunk people started shit, ended up hurting others (un)intentionally, or have the great idea to start driving a car while under the influence which puts even more people at danger. They should worry more about that.


Maybe try searching for that site on the wayback machine. It's basically a kind of google which has archived almost all the pages that have disappeared over time and cannot be found anymore.

P.S.: the term "Opiophobia" should become a thing in my opinion. It totally meets all the criterions of a pathologic fear. It is irrational, it is persistent and it generally cannot be gotten rid of ("be gotten rid of" sounds strange...is that grammatically correct? Please correct me if I make mistakes btw.) by appeals to logic and common sense. I recently had this idea of perhaps writing a book about the current anti-opioid sentiment and how much damage it has caused around the world with the title "Opiophobia" or "The Opiophobic Madness". I plan on incorporating statistics from both modern times as well as historical data, and also maybe some passages from the book "Opioids in mental illness" that I recently showed you. Really strong arguments that can convince people, especially those who are completely ignorant since they are the majority, of how opioids really are not the devil they were made out to be and can in fact benefit society as a whole.

Perhaps we can co-author such a book if you like. It gives me a sense of doing something for a higher purpose and actually feels therapeutic for some reason. I feel like it is important to do something like this, because we (especially the USA) are heading towards really dangerous times where this mass psychosis could be exploited by opiophobic politicians to pass laws in order to make it completely impossible to get opioids at all. I can totally see a complete ban in the US as a possibility. Ofc the only ones who will have an exception are the elites (as always). These elites and their unfair privileges. I'll write you a PM about this once I have outlined a rough structure about how the book should be written.

This idea sounds pretty cool!

I use to write books as a kid all the time. Do you remember those Goosebump books where you could choose your own endings by turning to whatever different page? They were around in the early-mid 90's. I use to write shit like that on paper/notebooks & then read them to my mom & stepdad & have them pick a page number so that they could pick an ending. lol Aaah the joys of being young & easily entertained!

I would be down to piece a book together. I have a horrible time articulating myself lately though. I think it's because my benzo use has gotten deeper in the past 2 years, so my cognitive abilities are deteriorating. lol Definitely send me a PM about it! Some kind of underlining theme or idea would help things get started (i.e. - for example, should it be a book about pharmacology/science or personal experience or even both). Many possibilities!

@DeathIndustrial88
Hehe...yo DI has your colon already gone KABOOM? I just slammed Polamidon today and am desperately waiting for it to explode...tehehe...

LOL!!

Unfortunately, my colon is fucked up! lol But not from opioids.
I recently found out I had an H Pylori infection in my stomach & large intestine. I probably had it for a few years. I think I might have told you about all this already but I can't remember. lol The infection was so bad that it carved out a spot in my upper stomach causing a haital hernia. And it was causing my stomach lining to be completely inflamed to the point where it felt like something was stuck in my ass all the time. In reality it was the walls of my colon/rectum pushing up against one another. It took me over a year to finally say something to a doctor too.

My stomach was making 1000x more acid than normal stomach, which was weird to hear since I don't have any heartburn/acid reflux problems. But I guess all that acid was damaging the hell out of my stomach.

Apparently H Pylori is mostly common in 3rd world countries. Yet google also says like a majority of the world has H Pylori in them already & most don't ever have any symptoms from it. So I'm not sure why mine caused so many problems.

Doc said I probably caught it from eating some kind of fruit or vegetable that had it on it.
And now my risk of stomach cancer is increased thanks to having had an infection for so long.

 

[Hexenstahl]

Do you remember those Goosebump books where you could choose your own endings by turning to whatever different page?

Oh my god, you read those books too?? Haha they were SO much fun! I totally forgot about those books!

Unfortunately, my colon is fucked up! lol But not from opioids.
I recently found out I had an H Pylori infection in my stomach & large intestine. I probably had it for a few years. I think I might have told you about all this already but I can't remember. lol The infection was so bad that it carved out a spot in my upper stomach causing a haital hernia. And it was causing my stomach lining to be completely inflamed to the point where it felt like something was stuck in my ass all the time. In reality it was the walls of my colon/rectum pushing up against one another. It took me over a year to finally say something to a doctor too.

My stomach was making 1000x more acid than normal stomach, which was weird to hear since I don't have any heartburn/acid reflux problems. But I guess all that acid was damaging the hell out of my stomach.

Apparently H Pylori is mostly common in 3rd world countries. Yet google also says like a majority of the world has H Pylori in them already & most don't ever have any symptoms from it. So I'm not sure why mine caused so many problems.

Doc said I probably caught it from eating some kind of fruit or vegetable that had it on it.
And now my risk of stomach cancer is increased thanks to having had an infection for so long.

That makes me sad. I don't know if you ever heard of Rick Simpson Oil, but if you ever get cancer you should give it a try. I watched a documentary where people who suffered from cancer took RSO and it healed them.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Oh my god, you read those books too?? Haha they were SO much fun! I totally forgot about those books!


That makes me sad. I don't know if you ever heard of Rick Simpson Oil, but if you ever get cancer you should give it a try. I watched a documentary where people who suffered from cancer took RSO and it healed them.

Those books were the shit in the 90's! lol
Along with Animorphs (loved their covers) and shit like Scary Stories To Tell In The Dark. I was a very morbid child lol

Never heard of Rick Simpson Oil. Interesting name. I'll dig into this.
Hopefully I never get cancer. I did read that smokers with chronic H pylori are like 50% more likely to develop stomach cancer.
And my grandfather died of colon cancer. So it's a bit concerning. Hopefully since I did antibiotic/antacid treatment, the infection is gone & I'll be fine.
But it's been a few months since the treatment ended & some of my symptoms have come back. I called the gastro clinic like 8 times though October & never got them to return my calls (to get retested for the H Pylori). Fuckers.

 

[Hexenstahl]

Never heard of Rick Simpson Oil.

 

[jasperkent]

book

book

Y'all would enjoy this book. I think it should be required reading for doctors, lawmakers, and anyone else whose decisions affect the lives of drug users:

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/955631394/drug-use-for-grown-ups-serves-as-an-argument-for-personal-choice

 

[Hexenstahl]

Y'all would enjoy this book. I think it should be required reading for doctors, lawmakers, and anyone else whose decisions affect the lives of drug users:

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/955631394/drug-use-for-grown-ups-serves-as-an-argument-for-personal-choice

Definitely gonna read that book after I have finished reading a whole bunch of neurology and chemistry textbooks I ordered a couple days ago lol.

 

[jasperkent]

Definitely gonna read that book after I have finished reading a whole bunch of neurology and chemistry textbooks I ordered a couple days ago lol.

Yeah, I read it last year and it's fascinating. Dr. Hart has written a couple of other books that I haven't read yet, but he's a very sharp and very cool dude. Controversial, of course.
More about him:

Carl Hart - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Hexenstahl]

Yeah, I read it last year and it's fascinating. Dr. Hart has written a couple of other books that I haven't read yet, but he's a very sharp and very cool dude. Controversial, of course.
More about him:

Carl Hart - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Haha yeah I know that dude. That's the heroin slamming university professor
Didn't know he is an author though.