⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[somnilicious]

There's a difference between questioning things and the sheer willful ignorance and idiocy that many have displayed in this thread.
No matter how much I debunk the claims of people like PriestTheyCalledHim, my posts are ignored and such people are back the next day posting the same shit.

Nobody in this thread is here to actually learn or debate.
It's all a big circlejerk for a bunch of older white men who are insecure about their masculinity to suck each other off and bash gay and trans folks.

That's the most bigoted thing I've ever heard.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

That's the most bigoted thing I've ever heard.

That comment isn't anywhere near the most bigoted that I have read on here. That was mild compared to some of the Carolina Reaper comments I have read on here.

If only all comments could be as mild as that one nobody would need to mod CEP / Dive.

 

[mal3volent]

I definitely get where @arrall is coming from (the general frustration), but I think it's so cringe to bring race into every conversation that is ever had as if it is somehow relevant. I don't understand how you can make such broad generalizations about being white, male, or "older" and then criticize others for making the same types of comments about other groups.

I don't get why we can't move away from this intersectional idpol hysteria.

@arrall I could've easily written you off as a know it all little gen Z twerp, but because I had conversations with you outside of politics first, I see you as the unique brilliant individual that you are. We have many different thoughts and opinions but I'd still take you over most people here.

 

[somnilicious]

That comment isn't anywhere near the most bigoted that I have read on here. That was mild compared to some of the Carolina Reaper comments I have read on here.

If only all comments could be as mild as that one nobody would need to mod CEP / Dive.

Go read the definition of bigot and see if it doesn't apply to his small little group trying to force all these unreasonable new practices on everyone else and see if it doesn't apply. Then replace his total dismissal of the debate" old white men" with geriatric white women with sandy vaginas who sit around diddling each other because they're so insecure about their womanhood.

Identity politics are so strong that people can't see past their own nose. Only concerned with their group, their gender, their color, their ethnicity, their sexual orientation. It's all a bunch of bullshit and nobody cares what's said or notices bigotry till it's pointed at groups you belong to.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Identity politics are so strong that people can't see past their own nose. Only concerned with their group, their gender, their color, their ethnicity, their sexual orientation. It's all a bunch of bullshit and nobody cares what's said or notices bigotry till it's pointed at groups you belong to.

Well then I consider myself lucky that I don't belong to any " groups ".

Ya know why I don't?

Because 10 years ago I stopped judging those " groups " and let them live how they choose. What they believe and what they do is none of my business. Just like whatever I do with my life is none of theirs. And that my friend is why I get along with everybody. I take them at face value and they take me at mine. They don't hurt or bother me and vice versa.

It's actually quite liberating to live that way. I haven't had an argument in over 10 years with anyone. Either in real life or on the internet. I simply live and let live. I've never been happier and that's the honest truth.

 

[Droppersneck]

I just appreciate when I see some sentience in a super wing nutted person, and try to latch onto that aspect of them. It’s much easier to see this irl than online though. To reiterate, young folx have a much larger hurdle with over socialization and indoctrination in the school systems.

@mal3volent
What are your thoughts on the people that saw through the Covid lies, but generally assume the establishment is telling the truth about everything else?

 

[somnilicious]

Well then I consider myself lucky that I don't belong to any " groups ".

Ya know why I don't?

Because 10 years ago I stopped judging those " groups " and let them live how they choose. What they believe and what they do is none of my business. Just like whatever I do with my life is none of theirs. And that my friend is why I get along with everybody. I take them at face value and they take me at mine. They don't hurt or bother me and vice versa.

It's actually quite liberating to live that way. I haven't had an argument in over 10 years with anyone. Either in real life or on the internet. I simply live and let live. I've never been happier and that's the honest truth.

It should be when these groups want to invade women's sports, our public bathrooms, locker rooms and indoctrinate this stuff in our schools. Otherwise it's fine. Let them do what they want as long as it doesn't impede on others right?

I mean.... Don't take I to account how some of this stuff makes biological women feel who have to deal with it. See that's the problem. You can't just stick your head in the sand and let people do whatever they want because it is impeding on other groups and having far reaching social consequences and to pretend otherwise is a complete denial of the facts.

And this is just speaking to the trans issue. Not to mention all the other identity groups. I'm sure all the Asians in the top percentile who didn't get into Harvard were real happy when they found out Africans Americans in the 30-39 percentile stood a better chance.

See I decided all that stuff long ago too until it became obvious that we were under attack by hostile groups who demand their piece of pie be taken from other's slices.

 

[arrall]

I definitely get where @arrall is coming from (the general frustration), but I think it's so cringe to bring race into every conversation that is ever had as if it is somehow relevant. I don't understand how you can make such broad generalizations about being white, male, or "older" and then criticize others for making the same types of comments about other groups.

I don't get why we can't move away from this intersectional idpol hysteria.

@arrall I could've easily written you off as a know it all little gen Z twerp, but because I had conversations with you outside of politics first, I see you as the unique brilliant individual that you are. We have many different thoughts and opinions but I'd still take you over most people here.

Well said Mal, I agree with your criticism and will edit out the "older white male" bit.

 

[Electrum1]

At the end of the day it's just a competition/war for resources and power so those resources and power can be used to effectively destroy the losers values, beliefs, and practices. That's why social institutions are so centered in the conversations/disagreements imo

 

[mal3volent]

I just appreciate when I see some sentience in a super wing nutted person, and try to latch onto that aspect of them. It’s much easier to see this irl than online though. To reiterate, young folx have a much larger hurdle with over socialization and indoctrination in the school systems.

@mal3volent
What are your thoughts on the people that saw through the Covid lies, but generally assume the establishment is telling the truth about everything else?

like who in particular?

 

[somnilicious]

At the end of the day it's just a competition/war for resources and power so those resources and power can be used to effectively destroy the losers values, beliefs, and practices. That's why social institutions are so centered in the conversations/disagreements imo

It's why identity politics was created. Once the nuclear family was mostly smashed it was easy to divide everybody up by identity. Then tell them all they were oppressed so they identify as such and then line them all up together to fight the oppressor(white males).

None of these groups are really together or agree with each other but when the vote comes they all make sure to cling to each other to keep power in #'s. As long as they think they're going to get something out of it they're all in.

It's just like the whole LGBTQ++++ thing. All of these different groups really don't necessarily get along or agree with each other. Just take this thread with 3 bi or gay men who are unevenly split on their opinions of the trans matter but yet when it comes time for trans people to move the other groups get drug along with them because without the whole LGBTQ++++ bloc there would be no power.

 

[swilow]

Nobody in this thread is here to actually learn or debate.
It's all a big circlejerk for a bunch of guys who are insecure about their masculinity to suck each other off and bash gay and trans folks.

If you expect learning and growth via internet forums, you're going to continue to be disappointed.

My point was more that despairing over humanity based on this is probably overreach. I cannot urge more strongly that people read Jonathan Haidts book The Righteous Mind.

Where you see insecurity, others see genuine ethical concern. It's no more helpful to write it off as you've done here than it is when the progressives are written off as groomers or cucks or whatever.

 

[swilow]

just don’t get how these people live with the endless contradictions running through their heads

The same way everyone does. No one is completely pure of thought and utterly bound by logic. We're humans, we're humbled messes of evolved bias and assumption wandering a strange uncaring world. If you think you're different, know that you just aren't.

 

[Droppersneck]

It should be when these groups want to invade women's sports, our public bathrooms, locker rooms and indoctrinate this stuff in our schools. Otherwise it's fine. Let them do what they want as long as it doesn't impede on others right?

I mean.... Don't take I to account how some of this stuff makes biological women feel who have to deal with it. See that's the problem. You can't just stick your head in the sand and let people do whatever they want because it is impending on other groups and having far reaching social consequences and to pretend otherwise is a

The same way everyone does. No one is completely pure of thought and utterly bound by logic. We're humans, we're humbled messes of evolved bias and assumption wandering a strange uncaring world. If you think you're different, know that you just aren't.

True, but I genuinely try and adopt the spock frame of mind when looking at things, but it’s hard not to have some emotion with certain things.

 

[arrall]

despairing over humanity based on this is probably overreach

I was mostly joking.
I base my views on humanity on those I encounter in the real world, not online.

Where you see insecurity, others see genuine ethical concern. It's no more helpful to write it off as you've done here than it is when the progressives are written off as groomers or cucks or whatever.

I don't say that based on their views.
I say it based on their willful and desperate ignorance of any facts discrediting their claims.
I can debunk what someone says on here (as I did with @PriestTheyCalledHim a month or two ago) and they ignore it, then are back on here the next day saying the same shit.
People in this thread care about gay/trans bashing and circlejerking, not genuine fact.

 

[Droppersneck]

Most people act completely differently online than they do irl. I say all the shit I do here, minus a edgy meme or two, in my real life. Definitely stand behind my convictions. You just seem young and wanting to project a certain image, nothing wrong with that. I am completely different from the way I was in hs and college. I grew up in a time where I didn’t even know the difference b/t republicans and democrats throughout college and hs. As the moneys value degrades further and further we will only see these things get worse. The decline started when we left the gold standard. All dynasties that adopt a fiat currency follow the exact same path.

 

[nepalnt21]

Who's Making News - Who's Making News For Sex Crimes Against Children

 

[JGrimez]

Take a survey of everyone who logs on every day to post in this thread.
Not a single one isn’t white, they’re all men, they are all at least 30 years old. (Many much older)

This is why everybody hates millennials.

Are you saying that minorities and younger people are not intelligent enough to find an enlightened forum such as this and have the curiosity and global awareness to want to engage in these debates?
I am appalled, that is so racist
Let's be real though. White men create the most comfortable and affluent societies. That's why everyone wants to move to these countries. The reasons for their fall from status is another story though.

People in this thread care about gay/trans bashing and circlejerking, not genuine fact.

That's ironic as the facts tend to disprove this (very new) field of gender ideology.
You're assuming the intentions of others simply for disagreeing with you. Don't confuse a genuine search for truth as "hate". As for jokes, we make them about every group (if I'm Jewish then am I a "white man"?) Also just because I may consider someone mentally ill does not mean I wish them harm, quite the opposite. I would like an honest forum so that we can find the best treatments for each individual, even if said treatment hurts the feelings of some observers. And it's safe to say that we all want what's best for children. But the world is a crazy place. Some of us think what's best for kids is strong medications along with irreversible surgeries. That's quite an extreme position so any proponents should make sure they have a ton of evidence backing up what they're supporting.

Welcome to Life, Racism, Homophobia, Sexism etc has ALWAYS been around, you cannot make 100% of Humanity think how you want them too, that is a very basic lesson in life you learn at a young age but it is clear you can't accept some people will always be this way.

We cannot make people think a certain way. But we can ruin their reputations and careers if they disagree too loudly. We can ruin them financially, pressure banks to close their accounts, or we can send them to gulag (oh wait we're not quite there yet).

The pharmaceutical industry has created an entire population of defenders of its products. Still can’t believe not a single post 1986 childhood vaccine has a pre release safety study. Shits down right bonkers

A young child who transitions becomes a big pharma customer for life. I don't $ee why tho$e companie$ wouldn't publish $tudies that critici$e medication protocol$.

Can you explain to me exactly how this works, psychologically?

What is it about sexual abuse that turns a child homosexual?

Well our sexual identity is heavily shaped by our initial sexual experiences. I can only imagine the pain and confusion that a young person goes through who is sexually assaulted, especially by someone they trust. I do not blame many of them for turning out sexually dysfunctional or mentally ill. I would like to see more honest clinical study here but unfortunately this subject is extremely controversial and our academic institutions are captured by ideology and dogmatic thinking, which includes censoring dissenters of the message.

And since you asked, here is an interesting scientific hypothesis:

 

[JGrimez]

The cause may also be a pathogen that alters its host’s sexual orientation in order to enhance its chances of spreading to other hosts. This is the “gay germ” theory proposed by Greg Cochran (Cochran et al., 2000). It’s interesting, and there are certainly precedents for this kind of psychological manipulation … from zombie ants to rats losing their fear of cats. Toxoplasma, which we now know changes mouse behavior in ways that increase a mouse’s chance of being devoured by a cat, the definitive host for toxo. Infected mice are attracted to cat urine, while uninfected mice avoid it. In fact, in infected mice, cat urine apparently triggers activity in neural pathways involved in sexual arousal. Microorganisms can reprogram sexual attraction in mammals.

Greg Cochran’s “Gay Germ” Hypothesis – An Exercise in the Power of Germs


Depths of Madness - The first post in the series. Here Cochran lays out the basic case, and notes key facts that point to the pathogen (e.g., high rate of discordance between identical twins, the evolutionary maladaptiveness of obligate male homosexuality and the paradox of how it could have become so common, how pathogens can affect brain function)

Paternal Age and Homosexuality – Explains why genetic load (burden of accumulated deleterious mutation) can’t explain the existence of male homosexuality, especially at its relatively high prevalence. Notes that unlike afflictions that likely are caused by genetic load, there doesn’t seem to be increased incidence of homosexuality in the children of older fathers.

Group Selection (and homosexuality) – Why group selection (multi-level selection) of the type proposed by E.O. Wilson doesn’t work in general and why it certainly can’t explain male homosexuality. Debunks the “gay uncle” hypothesis.

Homosexuality, epigenetics, and zebras – Why developmental noise, including in-utero epigenetic modifications, cannot explain male homosexuality (in short, natural selection has a strong incentive to prevent low-fitness phenotypes from manifesting, so such congenital defects are all rare).

Heads exploding – The introspective post. Appropriately titled, Cochran invites discussion on the social and scientific consequences of nailing down the biological cause of homosexuality – any cause, regardless if that turned out to be the pathogen as he suspects. (As we’ve seen, public discussion of any biological determinant of homosexuality will have consequences, and as I’ve discussed, not necessarily good ones.)

Not Final! – Key post where Cochran reviews the case for the gay germ, demonstrating the unworkability of all the alternatives. Shows how processes of elimination (essentially, the reductio ad absurdum) can sometime be a useful method of getting at the truth. Excludes ideas such heterozygote advantage (requires very strong selective pressure for advantage – but nonetheless ruled out by GWAS), sexual antagonistic selection (i.e., benefit to females but costly to males – also ruled out by GWAS), group selection (impossible, and no evidence anyway). Explains the how immune complexes generated by molecular mimicry can cause damage to specific tissues not infected by the pathogen. Notes the ubiquitous impact of genes, but the often highly indirect nature of this impact, which may explain the low but non-zero heritability of homosexuality. And notes that pathogens are often responsible for common fitness-reducing syndromes.

 

[JGrimez]

Concerned individual highlight the increasing number of trans people assaulting girls:

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690K likes, 13K comments - townhallmedia on June 28, 2023: "OWNED: This guy brought the RECEIPTS to bathroom debate!".

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In a survey of trans inmates in federal prisons, half were convicted of sexual assault and 90% were convicted of violent crimes.
Well above the general prison population.