🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[Chris Timothy]

Does plugging usually cause one to evacuate their bowels?

Yes, so always pre-plug with mere water.

I've got two syringes, a big one and small one. The big one inserts water for ten minutes of discomfort (whereafter some people prefer to lie down), after which the bowels get evacuated. Then the small one inserts the chemical goodies without meeting the digestive process.

(You don't need two sizes, but the principle of plugging a multiple of liquid volume first as a dud before plugging the intended volume applies.)

 

[tired of crap]

Id heard plugging with… pg or vg or something (tbh I can’t recall) first should clear things out. Didn’t realize water would work too.

How much water are we talking here? A “big one” leaves all sorts images of the 50ml vet syringes I saw at the farm supply store

 

[JackARoe]

How much water are we talking here? A “big one” leaves all sorts images of the 50ml vet syringes I saw at the farm supply store

Thanks for hashing this out TOC. I have been wanting to do a rectal administration to save what little 2C-B I have left. So if 10 mgs will feel like 20 mgs then it will be worth it. The problem is I too feel like I will screw this up and waste something. CT typed out instructions I have. However I am a clutz at the best of times. I feel like I could screw up and be even more embarrassed. So when you do get success let us know. I am glad I waited. Practicing does not thrill me either. lol

 

[SuperPsych]

Some people say you can get up and walk around right away, but i dont ever do that.

I've done that in social situations. Like having people over, run to my room, boof, get back to socializing. I've never ran into issues doing that. Just keep things tight

But when I'm plugging something that's more personal, like a psychedelic or dissociative I'll lay down for maybe 2 or 3 minute. Doesn't take too long to absorb. But then again I use 1ml syringe typically.

The most important step for me has always proven to be the pre-boof enema.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Ya i was up walking around both times.

I’ll trial this on other substances before revisiting my limited stash of 2CE. Thanks

I was thinking Mdma … have you plugged M? is the magic still there when compared to oral

Oh yeah its still there, but you need to really be mindful of the dosage because plugged MDMA hits you so much harder than orally. One time i had these pills that were just okay orally an id double drop them everytime. And then i get this bright idea while i was already on a DOC, BOD, DMT and 4-AcO-DMT "binge" that im gonna plug two of them at like 4am. The stimmy nature of DOC was not the best mix, for damn sure.

Well literally the moment it hit i knew that i fucked up majorly and i felt like i was gonna have a fucking heart attack my chest was pounding bad, and it was pretty overwhelming. Which these pills normally werent. So thinking im possibly gonna die i decide to call my mother, poor woman.

And kept her on the phone with me for a legit two hours talking me through it cuz i didnt wanna goto a hospital or something. She was obviously concerned but was very understanding and without her keeping me grounded it would have been way worse.

So yeah in the future id only do a half a pill and see how it hit me first. If your dealing with pure powder just weigh it out appropriately, which is even better maybe go for a third of an oral dose first try.

 

[Pfafffed]

So I posted this in another place, but I'm gonna cross-post it, because I wanted to share how I'm feeling right now with my PD fam, too.

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Just wanted to express something... and that is that my girlfriend and I had sex 3 times this past week! Not only is my libido back now that my testosterone is getting back to normal levels, but hers is, too! A few years ago now, when her physical troubles started to really come on strongly, her pain was largely coming from her uterus and surrounding areas... so sex started to hurt her, a lot. It was really difficult for me to deal with that at first, especially since the first half of our relationship had an amazing sexual component, in fact that was the first way we really connected strongly. She would always say that never in her life could she imagine going a week without sex... we didn't even go a day without it, almost ever, for years. And I still had my libido back then, so it was rough. Serious, chronic sexual frustration is extremely unpleasant. She cried about it a lot, and she would try to throw me a bone once in a while, but it was blatantly obvious that it was unpleasant and painful for her, she'd be in serious pain for days afterwards and during it she would be wincing and basically just be like "can you hurry up please?" Which obviously made me feel like a piece of shit, though she was trying not to make me feel bad.

But eventually I accepted it, and then suboxone and grief combined to destroy my sex drive, too. So I have just been existing in this weird place where we just don't ever have sex, and it had been so long that it was awkward. I had stopped really wanting to even cuddle or show affection, and it started feeling like we were just friends/roommates, and I started feeling more and more disconnected and discontent with the relationship. I was frequently fantasizing about breaking up with her, and wishing we'd never met because I still care about her and no matter what happens, I always will. But something was wrong and I missed the connection we had so much. I couldn't even recall when the last time I'd told her I love her was. I was seriously starting to fully believe that it was just a fond memory that was in the past and I might never have that again with anyone if I stayed with her. It gave me a confusing and depressing and sad feeling that was always there in the back or the forefront of my mind. I was also starting to feel sad and even somewhat angry (with myself, with the situation, with life) when I would hear or read about other people who still have that.

Well, when I got home from Flow Jam, I had been a week on testosterone and festivals always make me feel more like my ideal self, and I was happy to see her, and got in bed to snuggle her, and made my first attempt to initiate something with her that I've made in way too long (until then, it had been at least 6 months since we'd had sex, likely longer... we hadn't even flirted with each other or really expressed physical affection in almost that long, either), and much to my surprise, it worked. And she was into it, too. At the risk of TMI, there was more than enough, ah, moisture going on for things to go smoothly without adding any foreign moisture from a bottle, and she was wanting to do different positions and stuff. I didn't quite get her off because I was out of practice, but the very next day she jumped me and pulled me into her room and it was as good as it's ever been at the peak of our honeymoon phase. I think she hadn't had an orgasm in a long time and we were watching a show a few days before about orgasms/sex as anxiety reduction. And it worked, she had been in a bad bout of anxiety and the rest of the day she was on top of the world.

There have been 2 more times since then, with the same results. It feels like this huge, awkward cloud hanging between us has just vanished suddenly and it feels like it used to between us. When I look at her now, instead of feeling a mixture of apathy, sadness, frustration, and fatigue, I feel love and gratitude and fondness. I pinch her lovely perfect butt sometimes when I walk by and she pretends to be offended and then gives me a cute little smile. I act like a hungry beast and pretend to takes bites out of her and tell her that she's so tasty and beasts need to eat, it's the circle of life. The silliness and goofiness that I love that we have with each other is totally back, where a few weeks ago, it was smothered by awkward, unspoken pain, and I was wondering how it would even be possible to get it back because I felt like I had forgotten how to be that way with her.

Best of all though, instead of feeling like I'd given her all of my empathy and was an exhausted, drained battery, I am full of empathy and support again and am able to, and want to, be there for her as she takes the next step in trying to get a grip on her mental and physical health. Instead of feeling like I wish we could have just never even met in the first place and trying to figure out how I could find the will to endure the rest of my life with her, I find myself feeling so grateful that I have someone who loves me so much, for me, as I am, faults and all, without ever trying to change me or restrict me, and without a single abusive word or action towards me, even once, in almost a decade. And I'm 100% sure that she never will, either. I find myself wondering how I could have gotten so lucky to find someone who is such a sweet soul and who is so easy to get along with and so supportive, on my second try at a long-term adult relationship, especially after my first try was, like, the exact karmic opposite of that. Instead of the problems, I can see the good again, and it's so much stronger than the bad. I find myself feeling so grateful to her that she stood by my side unfailingly through this last period of my life, even though I was being cold and distant (though I want to also make clear that I wasn't being cruel to her in any way, I just couldn't summon the will to return the outpouring of love she has always shown me, for the past while)... she didn't falter, and the whole time she was just worried about me because she could tell something was wrong. I'm so lucky. A lot of people never find someone like that, and most people seem to be incapable of being that selfless in relationships.

I just like... I can't believe we got through this. I seriously thought it was gone and our relationship was irrevocably altered and tarnished.

I don't quite understand how she rediscovered her ability to enjoy sex at the same time as I did. It's not hurting her anymore. It's been like 3 or even 4 years since I have seen her really get into sex. It feels like a miracle! And I really mean that in a literal sense.

And lastly... I just wanted to thank those of you in here who encouraged me to go to a hormone doctor and get my testosterone checked. It's made such a big difference in my life already, and I don't even know if we've found the correct dose yet - my 1-month appointment is on Thursday. Seriously, thank you, thank you. It feels like a missing piece of my soul and/or life force have been returned to me. I had no idea how profoundly low T (and low estrogen, too) had been affecting me.



I finally feel like myself again!

So, so, so, so happy for you man!

 

[tired of crap]

I've done that in social situations. Like having people over, run to my room, boof, get back to socializing. I've never ran into issues doing that. Just keep things tight

But when I'm plugging something that's more personal, like a psychedelic or dissociative I'll lay down for maybe 2 or 3 minute. Doesn't take too long to absorb. But then again I use 1ml syringe typically.

The most important step for me has always proven to be the pre-boof enema.

Whatcha using for the enema? Just water?

@cosmic charlie yes, Im using powder, so dosing would be a little easier than pills. Kinda curious, when plugging pills do you dissolve it or??

 

[cosmic charlie]

Whatcha using for the enema? Just water?

@cosmic charlie yes, Im using powder, so dosing would be a little easier than pills. Kinda curious, when plugging pills do you dissolve it or??

Never used an enema before i just always make sure i shit before i plug anything, i will usually take a dump and then wait a little bit just to make sure that their isnt a round 2. And then when i feel im ready i just go for it. Sorry if thats a little TMI i guys but i truly have no shame, as most of yall can tell.

Just follow my method and you should be good, insert the syringe a little more than half and inch, heavily dilute and lay on your stomach ten mins. It will work for you im sure. And use some vaseline on the syringe so it slides in okay, i like to rotate it as i go in i find its smoother that way.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Anyone have feedback on Kanna?

It seems like it can be really hit or miss for people, some seem to love the stuff and others have pretty negative reaction. But the people that love it make the stuff sound amazing. Really wanted to try it so i could scratch it off the list you know. Havent experimented with any botanicals in years, im more of a synthetic man.

 

[arrall]

Would diluting it more sting less? And cause less of an issue?

I’d dilute it more as @cosmic charlie said.
I’ve also heard anecdotal reports that using saline burns less than regular water with 2CB when plugging.
No clue if that’s true for rectal administration, but it is definitely the case with intranasal based on both physiological theory and personal experience.

 

[arrall]

Anyone have feedback on Kanna?

It seems like it can be really hit or miss for people, some seem to love the stuff and others have pretty negative reaction. But the people that love it make the stuff sound amazing. Really wanted to try it so i could scratch it off the list you know. Havent experimented with any botanicals in years, im more of a synthetic man.

It’s cool but nothing incredibly special.
I have an extract that I’ve tried a couple times.
It can be a great subtleish mood boost once in a while for when you’re depressed, and the initial rush for the first 15-30 minutes is quite nice.

 

[Pfafffed]

Yeah, I got nothing from it. It has managed to pretty much instantly address the low mood I've had days after taking serotonin releasers. I'm a weirdo there, though, so ymmv. I get no rush at all.

 

[cosmic charlie]

It’s cool but nothing incredibly special.
I have an extract that I’ve tried a couple times.
It can be a great subtleish mood boost once in a while for when you’re depressed, and the initial rush for the first 15-30 minutes is quite nice.

How did you dose it, im not very keen on sniffing the stuff but i will if i had to. Was probably gonna try dosing it sublingually. How many mgs should i take yeah think?

 

[arrall]

How did you dose it, im not very keen on sniffing the stuff but i will if i had to. Was probably gonna try dosing it sublingually. How many mgs should i take yeah think?

My log says that I took 24mg intranasal, I think that is a solid first-time dose.
And it is very easy on your nose, I’d just snort it.

 

[Xorkoth]

Contemplated getting DMAA powder as the sample but im concerned about cardiac side effects.

Definitely don't get that, it's a shit drug anyway, very anxiety-inducing for me, and it makes my heart pound more than most other stimulants. It's definitely hard on the heart, and nothing great in the first place. Totally not worth the risk. I'd choose most any stimulant over DMAA, even without side effects being considered.

Do any of you have experience with Kanna Extract, im getting 10 grams of a 100:1. Never tried the stuff before but it sounds intresting. Id added it to my order of 2.5g's Sildenafil Powder cuz im pretty distraught over losing my boner sometimes now, so embarrassing to even talk about. Maybe my testosterone is fucked too guys.

Kanna is weird for me, it makes me feel anxious on the come-up, and then feels serotonergic, but not really positive or negative, after the come-up. Some people have glowing reports, but for me, it's not that great. I have a high-quality extract that I hoped would work better, but it's the same, except cleaner feeling, less anxiety on the come-up and slightly better feeling during the rest of it, but still not something I did more than twice to see if it would worjk, and then verify it was not just a one-off meh experience. I don't see how it could be helpful for keeping a boner, if anything, I feel like it would make it harder, er, I mean more difficult, for me. But I never tried it for that.

So I tried plugging 20mg of 2ce in 2ml earlier this evening

It definitely burned and I needed to vacate my bowels shortly there after.

If plugging is akin to nasal (and given my insensitivity to 2cs) I figured this would be a strong dose. But honestly it didn’t definitely didnt all absorb before ya know Lol

Would diluting it more sting less? And cause less of an issue?

Ive only got like 60mg left … oral doesn’t really do it for me and nasal is so unbearable. Id like to try plugging this again

Perhaps I’ll wait until I’ve got more experience plugging but any insight is appreciated

I always used to use 3mL of water for plugging 2C-Xs. I've successfully plugged 30mg of 2C-B that way, with 3mL, without pain, although there was some tingling and I definitely felt it in there at 30mg. At 20mg, I don't think I really noticed much.

You could go with more than 3mL though, it won't hurt. I've never noticed any leakage from plugging properly, even without laying down afterwards. The anus is a sphincter, it's made to keep stuff in. But to be sure of things, you can insert the syringe, deploy the dose, and then lay on your left or right side, or your stomach, for a few minutes. There will definiutely not be any leakage even if you use 10mL.

I've used only 1mL to plug 2C-B before, and it burned so much, it was awful. Diluting it makes a tremendous difference, so much so that 20mg at 1mL burned like fuck, but 20mg at 3mL didn't really feel like anything.

The biggest things to consider are whether you've evacuated your bowels recently. Any feces that are near the end of their journey will be tempted to come to the surface, so to speak, when they sense a foreign liquid in there, in my experience. And that will absorb most of the dose, wasting it. So you want to do it when you've recently gotten rid of all of that. An enema can help to be sure, but personally I have very rarely bothered with that.

If you end up having to take a poo even as little as 10 minutes afterwards, it's probably going to make no difference, because rectal admin absorbs quite fast. But if you have stuff in there near the exit, it will come to the forefront much faster than 10 minutes... more like within a minute.

The last thing is, don't stick the syringe all the way in, just go about a far as the length from the tip of your finger to the second knuckle, or at least that's what I've always read. You want the liquid to absorb into the end of it, not too deep.

So, so, so, so happy for you man!

Thanks man. I was wondering if maybe that post was TMI because no one has replied to it until now, in either place. It probably was a little TMI, but I was/am just really happy about it. Really happy. It happened again this morning... I can't tell you just how great it is to be in this place rather than the last place. It makes a huge difference in my level of satisfaction with life, and stress. Not just the sex part, either. It was kind of a nightmare, to be honest.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Kanna is weird for me, it makes me feel anxious on the come-up, and then feels serotonergic, but not really positive or negative, after the come-up. Some people have glowing reports, but for me, it's not that great. I have a high-quality extract that I hoped would work better, but it's the same, except cleaner feeling, less anxiety on the come-up and slightly better feeling during the rest of it, but still not something I did more than twice to see if it would worjk, and then verify it was not just a one-off meh experience. I don't see how it could be helpful for keeping a boner, if anything, I feel like it would make it harder, er, I mean more difficult, for me. But I never tried it for that.

Ohhh im not getting the Kanna for boners, lol. I just had to add something to my order of Sildenafil so that i could make it a hundred bucks and it was either that or a Kava Extract i was contemplating. And i already have some Kava and dont really use it that much, maybe this place would be better tho cuz i did get mine off Amazon and thats probably why it feels weak.

This place had a 30% one and 80% one and ill possibly get a bit of the later with a future order. Not gonna lie im really looking forward to binging that Tianeptine Sodium, ive only had the Free Acid before and i heard it doesnt even compare. Only will have 750mgs, and im gonna dose my girl with 100mgs so the rest ill probably use up within 24hrs most likely.

 

[Chris Timothy]

I gotta say, even if I have had morning coffee and visited the throne, then I still do the enema before plugging anything. More often than not still some fecal matter comes out. I'm sure it's not a very significant amount, I just don't like the thought of even a little compound absorbed by anything but the rectal lining. It's hypocritical, because on the other hand I do end up dosing against tolerance, but yeah.

I've been feeling pretty anxious lately, with basically two major life changes in a very short time, and having neglected work because of it. I just can't wrap my head around anyone I care about giving signs of wanting me to be their male counterpart, that's just too bloody weird a thought after an entire lifetime of none of that. Doesn't even sound real when I write it down. On top of that the plan to make it work in the longterm is downright sci-fi, which is exciting of course but also so crazy and unsettling, lol. (Plus of course I've been open again I'm erhm somewhat of a Druggy McDrugFace, so naturally she's been (majorly ) stashing up as well.. which is hilarious but, if any noob mistakes happen it's gonna be on me.. eeeeeep..)

Yesterday I spent the entire day laying down and mulling over the details. It helped somewhat with sorting out priorities, but I feel I need some GOGOGO-energy to actually embody all the changes and not immediately slip back into old habits. I hope a little threshold dose DOC will get me in the right mindspace.


Edit: let's perhaps make that double threshold dose DOC..

Edit2: and let's keep it at 1mg plugged, even the tiny synchronicities aren't always.. soothing..

 

[Pfafffed]

Edit: let's perhaps make that double threshold dose DOC..
Edit2: and let's keep it at 1mg plugged...

I was thinking about the same today. I was going to go with aMT, but that made me feel all languid last time and I've got stuff to take care of around the house

 

[Chris Timothy]

Same, definitely considered empathogens as well, after discovering I still have some. A sample of an empathogen meth-analogue kinda worked.. though gave off some confusing vibes too as blatant lovey-doveyness is not really in line with my personality.

Thanks man. I was wondering if maybe that post was TMI because no one has replied to it until now, in either place. It probably was a little TMI, but I was/am just really happy about it. Really happy. It happened again this morning... I can't tell you just how great it is to be in this place rather than the last place. It makes a huge difference in my level of satisfaction with life, and stress. Not just the sex part, either. It was kind of a nightmare, to be honest.

Definitely not TMI and I do wanna feel happy for you, all of that stuff is just honestly dizzying to think about atm!

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I’d dilute it more as @cosmic charlie said.
I’ve also heard anecdotal reports that using saline burns less than regular water with 2CB when plugging.
No clue if that’s true for rectal administration, but it is definitely the case with intranasal based on both physiological theory and personal experience.

my ass has never burned from 2cb

i use reverse osmosis water, but only because i have an r.o. water filter that i use for drinking water - and i always use just 1ml of water


ive plugged mdma too - i think it's a little better but im not sure it's much stronger - hits faster - other than that, i dont think it's much different