Does harm reduction appeal to the masses?

[brokedownpalace10]

Dude shut up. I didn't personally insult you, I stated my personal general opinion on a topic. If you felt personally insulted in the process, then that's not my problem. You, however, personally insulted me by making it seem like I'm a know-nothing ("Aaaron Gunn???"), and now you're doubling down on it.



Please quote where I said addicts are hopeless and beyond saving?

I am actually saying the exact fucking opposite, which is why I am angry about what the Province has done.



I have a hard time believing that given everything I've been told from my health care colleagues.



LMAO... news sources, and the worst ones.

I know frontline workers who work in the DTES right now who told me this week that their clients are on a 1 year waiting list for rehab. These are opiate addicts. You can get triaged to be seen sooner if you've OD'd, attempted suicide, or your life is somehow in imminent danger. Otherwise you'll be waiting a long ass time. And that's my point... the province has made drugs more accessible than ever, creating new addicts, but has put fuck all resources into shortening wait times.

I'm not going to compete with you about sources, it's not worth my time. I worked in health care and worked in the DTES and in an HR capacity. I still have ample connections there. Believe whatever it is you want to believe. I give zero fucks.

I likely shouldn't even chime in at this point, but I never had any sense.
Please don't take me as attacking. I'm sleepy this morning and "just a thought".
Isn't the real issue here not the drugs? The real issue is other laws not being enforced, really.
Being passed out on the sidewalk isn't legal is it? You can't be publicly drinking and/or intoxicated on alcohol by law, at least in the US.
Do drugs cause homelessness or does homelessness cause people to do harder drugs more publicly?
Without the harm reduction, maybe they would just have dirtier needles hanging out of their arms.

 

[Landrew]

Please quote where I said addicts are hopeless and beyond saving?

my apologies, the post I had in mind is not in this thread and probably somebody else. Without this brain fart I would not have come at you all grumpy.

this post of yours may have been a source of my confusion - I took it as saying you had no need to watch Aaron Gunn cuz you agreed with him - https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/canada-is-dying.932276/post-15838196

Edit - now I see more clearly where I got confused - you claimed in this thread murderer Inderdeep Singh Gosal was "strung out on meth", now I dont feel so silly for confusing you with the NIMBY in another thread and getting grumpy

 

[Foreigner]

my apologies, the post I had in mind is not in this thread and probably somebody else. Without this brain fart I would not have come at you all grumpy.

this post of yours may have been a source of my confusion - I took it as saying you had no need to watch Aaron Gunn cuz you agreed with him - https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/canada-is-dying.932276/post-15838196

Edit - now I see more clearly where I got confused - you claimed in this thread murderer Inderdeep Singh Gosal was "strung out on meth", now I dont feel so silly for confusing you with the NIMBY in another thread and getting grumpy

I accept your apology, thank you for your honesty and integrity.

People often think that I'm against HR policy when I'm not. I'm just in favour of comprehensive policy. I want to see HR alongside rehab and law enforcement. Right now BC is leaning too heavily into HR. Meanwhile, Alberta next door is looking at involuntary institutionalization to "help people."

There does not seem to be any easy answer because there are multiple factors intersecting: drug addiction + homelessness + severe mental health issues (i.e. schizophrenia) + violent crime.

Some need housing and/or rehab. Some need institutionalization (for their safety and others). Some need prison.

Right now BC's policy treats them all as innocent victims of social determinants that are beyond their control, so the system has a catch a release policy. The homeless man who violently assaulted me last summer when I was simply walking down the street is back on my street. I was never asked if I wanted to press charges. The police said he would be automatically charged, except he is roaming free now. He is strung out on drugs every time I see him.

Leftist ideology is running the government and it has no sense of proportion. I'm not saying I want to see a conservative government either because all they do is the "tough on crime" thing. I want comprehensive policy but nobody seems willing to really do it. That's why I think Portugal got it right. They did EVERYTHING.

 

[PtahTek]

Maybe in political arenas but at street level I would say that not many care from my observations. Maybe this will change gotta hope for something and it does seems to be getting more content about it even in the hairdressers spot.
Maybe if one loses to an OD it changes their outlook?
Talk about stigmata.
We gonna be OK.