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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

I'm totally sick of taking bupe everyday. Makes me feel like a a fucking loser. So sick of feeling chained to a drug. Tempted to just jump off and hope for the best...

Me too man. It's a drag. It doesn't make me feel like a loser, though, I just hate the effects on testosterone, and overall energy level, and just the simple fact of being a slave to a drug. I'm down to 5mg. I started crushing up 5 8mg pills at a time and weighing it, it generally works out to 48 or 49mg/1mg of bupe with the brand I have. I've been reducing by 1mg per day of pill powder per dose (I dose 9am and 9pm to reduce interdose withdrawals). I notice absolutely no difference with such a small reduction, but every 24-ish days, that's 1mg less per day.

I want to get switched to the 2mg pills when I get lower, so I can have more accuracy for when I'm at like 0.1mg, since I want to reduce to even lower, like 0.05 or even maybe 0.02 before jumping off.

You can try, and I wish you luck, but bupe's withdrawal lasts a long time, like a month of acute withdrawals from what I understand. For me, I just don't believe I'd be able to deal with it that long. Opiate withdrawal, after so many years of addiction, has gotten worse for me, a lot worse. I remember my first time, it was very unpleasant, sure, don't get me wrong. But I laid in bed mostly, I skipped classes the first day, but even the second day I felt better enough to go to class. By day 4, I was pretty much fine and it was never anywhere remotely approaching what it feels like now. Now, even kratom withdrawal lasts like 10-12 days, and it's unbearable the RLS (akathisia is more accurately. especially since it's not just my legs, my arms are at least as bad which is even worse than the legs) is so bad I want to stab myself in the eyeball or cut my legs and arms off. I start to lose my mind after zero sleep for 5 days and then my emotions get really wild and I start to lose my shit. Usually I give in around day 6, after night 5 during which I find myself contemplating suicide and/or accepting that the only possible solution if I want to survive is to score and use "just enough to be able to sleep tomorrow night". And then.... you know.

Tapering sucks and takes a long time, but IME, and in the experience of research, it gives the best chance of success.

However if you do jump, gabapentin helps a lot with withdrawals. I don't know what dose you're on, though. It can only do so much for heavy withdrawals, but for lower dose withdrawals, it can be a godsend. That's why I'm bothering to taper to such a miniscule amount. I want the jump to be as painless as possible because I know myself... faced with opiate withdrawal, especially long lasting opiate withdrawal, I have very little faith in my ability to ignore the part of my brain trying to convince me to cheat "just a little bit" indefinitely.

If you decide not to jump, you might try my method of crushing pills and weighing the total amount and then you can weigh very precise amounts. If you mix the powder well you can ensure more or less homogenous distribution (though I rather assume it's already homogenized throughout the pill, but you can be 100% sure a whole pill contains 8mg. So if 5 pills weigh, say, 400mg (they don't but it's easy math), if you crush them all up and blend them together, you can be sure 10mg of pill powder contains 1mg of bupe.

I actually am going to have to tell my bupe doctor soon about the crushing/milligram scale weighting thing, because he's been trying to get me to switch to the strips for 2 months now, saying that trying to cut pill with a pill cutting is inaccurate. Which is true, but I hate the strips for various reasons, and anyway, I guarantee weighing the pill powder on a milligram scale is way more accurate. I think I'm gonna tell him that the therapist I'm seeing (I say I'm seeing one, even though I actually want to but just haven't yet) told me that another client of hers does it and found it an amazing method. It really is a great idea, reduce by 2mg of pill powder per day... about 1mg of bupe tapered down each month. You couldn't possibly notice a difference with that microscopic amount, and you have a chance to be re-normalizing steadily as you go. Pretty sure with this I'll be able to get down faster, and without any janglyness on drop days

2006 to 2010 was pretty much the heyday for all forums everywhere - maybe even earlier than that - they're probably the quietest the last couple years overall but they kinda seem like they're starting to make a comeback when i check around - a lot of ppl went to reddit or facebook or whatever else social media there is....but i think ppl are getting sick of some of those

ive been posting on forums since i got online around 95 so ive seen them go through it all - i stop at a few of them but usually i just post at 1 - which is why ive had an account here for so long but was also quiet - i dont do any of the social medias except for forums



one time, i was talking to Suge Knight at the airport i worked at - and i didn't even know who he was (true stroy) - it was a week before him and tupac got shot up in vegas

and then he was posting on icmag years later, which is an international weed forum, and i asked him if he remembered that night, and he did - and i told him that i didn't even know he was, and he said "yea i know you didn't" lol

Yeah, 2006-2007 was the peak for me here.

All the younger generations (not all obviously, @arrall posts on the forums for example, but it seems like most) prefer Discord. Discord is fine but I don't use it the same way. I use it for a crypto discussion group I'm in, just because it's there. Live chat can be fun, but the forum is a far superior format for a place like this, because all of the information is easy to find and stored forever. You can also continue conversations from years earlier easily.

In live chat, well, Discord anyway has channels, which is an improvement, but still, it's ephemeral. Good luck finding some tidbit from last year. An admin can pin posts in a channel, but the interface for accessing them isn't amazing.

Also, forums, IMO, encourage more in-depth conversations more. In live chat, people are firing off short bursts of text, rapid fire. In a forum, the focus is more, or at least it more easily and readily is for most people, to take your time and compose something thoughtful. Sometimes a forum post takes me 20, 30, 40 minutes, I've even had them take me an hour to compose. But those are always there then, forever. People will guaranteed come across it and the information I took the time to write next year, the year after that, the year after that... hopefully forever, or until human civilization collapses.

i have a friend that's in a Dead coverband - it's called Dark Star Orchestra

Oh wow that's cool your friend is in Dark Star. I love that band! Me and some friends used to have a yearly August tradition of going at a great venue outside of town. I've had some great times there. They're a really good band. Been going for a long time, too.

This blew my mind :eek:
Why?

There are just some weird math quirks. Usually someone has used them to prove something (as in mathematical proofs). The first one I learned was from my dad a very long time ago. If you add the digits of any number (integer) together, and they're a multiple of 3, then that number is divisible by 3.

91: 9 + 1 = 10 (nope)
93: 9 + 3 = 12 (yep)
564: 5 + 6 + 4 = 15 (yep)
734089612431: 7+3+4+0+8+9+6+1+2+4+3+1 = 48 (yep)
734089612331: 7+3+4+0+8+9+6+1+2+4+3+1 = 47 (NOPE) (picked a random digit to decrement by 1, which I knew would make ti not divisible by 3. In fact I randomly choose any of the digits (excepy the 0 obviously) to subtract 1 from one more time ad it would not be, but then any of them another time, and it would be. Super weurd, but you can verify with a calculator. I don't believe it works with any other number, except 1, trivially, since everything is divisible by 1. I could be wrong though but if it works again somewhere it's not 2 or 4-9)

EDIT: My last example I meant to indicate added to 47 and was a NOPE
 
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There are just some weird math quirks. Usually someone has used them to prove something (as in mathematical proofs). The first one I learned was from my dad a very long time ago. If you add the digits of any number (integer) together, and they're a multiple of 3, then that number is divisible by 3.

91: 9 + 1 = 10 (nope)
93: 9 + 3 = 12 (yep)
564: 5 + 6 + 4 = 15 (yep)
734089612431: 7+3+4+0+8+9+6+1+2+4+3+1 = 48 (yep)
734089612331: 7+3+4+0+8+9+6+1+2+4+3+1 = 48 (yep) (picked a random digit to decrement by 1, which I knew would make ti not divisible by 3. In fact I randomly choose any of the digits (excepy the 0 obviously) to subtract 1 from one more time ad it would not be, but then any of them another time, and it would be. Super weurd, but you can verify with a calculator. I don't believe it works with any other number, except 1, trivially, since everything is divisible by 1. I could be wrong though but if it works again somewhere it's not 2 or 4-9)
Yeah that's a cool one, it's the same principle for 9.
The idea is that 100*x +10*y +z = (99x +9y) + (x+y+z) which is cool
This blew my mind :eek:
Why?
1*9 +1 = 10
12 * 9 +2 = 110
123 * 9 + 3 = 1110
etc..
someone probably found that first, and then thought of subtracting the first digits which makes it even more appealing =D goes very well with my coffee in the sun
 
AT the fact you are here, clever as ever, high thinking, and humorous shows me your are ok. Seems your body is adjusting. Lots of people giving warnings do it because they care and have been through things themselves. And still are themselves. Not talking about Charlie here as anything Charlie does comes across as caring. But a few others have warned you and then I find them on ungodly amounts of other drugs in other forums LOL. I just say this as keep that faith that your body is processing what you are throwing at it. Thank it. Of course find a way to taper, we have been saying that for years now but you are still good to go. And even with the etizolam drought you soared through to the next benzo. Raise your fist and say to the sky still here mother fuckers!!

I guess what I am trying to say is of course you know where you are at. And I am very happy when post. It has not slowed your thoughts. That is all for now on that. Just know the body can adapt to anything. Not an excuse to not taper but a way to at least feel better for 10 seconds with that realization. :)

Speaking of chicken shit bromazolam use I think I figured out a way to actually make it an etizolam replacement for sleep on occasion. If I take just under 1 mg, like .8 then I can sleep and not wake up hungover. If I take more than 2 mgs to close to bed I feel it the next morning. Not as bad as diazepam, that usually screws up my next day too. But even though at one point I was comfortable taking etizolam on Sunday nights once a week, I am not sure yet that bromaz is as safe as frequently. So recently figured twice a month is as much as I would do that. Etiz seemed to be safer. But bromaz hits as quick too. BTW when I say safe I say safe from getting dependent, not health wise.
Thank you for every word observation and forever sheer positive encouragement always so unconditionlly too.

You're right too, because in past I watched people take 100 mg's diazepam or way less and lose all clarity of speech, articulation and in many cases display intellectual retardedness.


I've said all along it doesn't add up, anybody here who's heard my Nano or fun videos too, standard days always.

24 hr. Any/every amount of Benzo in me yet somehow (at least I think) I manage without effort articulate and pronounce my speech better than vast majority of men.

I understand your point. I always say how consciousness rules supreme, but we are not immune still to pitfall.


Actually since switch to Broma from Etiz (seems at least equipment to me too per mg, conflicting some earlier reports)


My cognition is affected.

However, fortunately and un, Bromazolam isn't nearly as plain disinhibiting as Etiz so my tongue holds more until some reason.


Your observation & assay on that is correct though even though IMO it shouldn't be.




However. Bromazolam IS dangerous, for leading one into a deeply depressive state, frame of mind in a way Etiz doesn't, as already extolled.



For me it's also v dose dependant.


On even 20 mg's Brom daily for a while, I can just about swing myself back up on a daily.

But at 30 mg's it's no mind over matter, and I know it isn't just myself too.

I have to address this though. I've been "bad". Last 5 days 35,20,25,30,35 (yesterday)


Had wicked nightmares overnight also need lot more physical treatment (acupuncture literally VITal going forward.



The longlasting injury recovery process made my whole system v sick. Unfunctional.



If stomach/spleen/kidney/liver etc not running, kava fails to act on me mentally antidepressant wise.

Need greatly higher doses and can make more sick in process too.


Fix that through treatment mood improvement. Better brain chemistry, sleeping ability.


Earlier, waking at dawn I was in such a despairing depression re to current dosage run.



I have to cap myself at 20 mg's somehow. Access enough treatment to be mobile, active, not so sick etc.



Because for this I need assistance outside the hone. My mum can't help me at all with it, she's zero comprehension of benzos despite longterm past drug use, heroin and amphetamine addiction, all sorts pills hippy era.


And my mum is a key driving force of my anxiety too, aside everyday real dangers of eating any food thanks to Lyme, but since 2021 injury.



I've calmed down a bit, couldn't have typed this hrs ago.


I talked to my mum re actual serious challenge, obstacles, potential outcome and practical solutions.


I can see it going too ugly to bare without the right steps.



So I planned early 2020 to visit in-town Addiction service at minimum as sounding board but I believe they can offer a range of therapies.




I need to be physically well enough, recovered to make near decent use of it though.


It's been my target since injury mostly house binded me.



So close few times, then serious accident setback (6?) weeks ago maybe 8...




I need patience though and focus. Get weller via upcoming treatments then asap access this service.


Because the depression level earlier same time tummy blocked feeling sick


Prob from so much benzo too. 35 mg's is criminal.

It WILL drive me to a finale if I can't see a viable path.



Just trying to lift myself out of depression this morning to fix a plan together.
 
im a little bit of a headbanger :rockon:
Krink (nettles lol) I grew up with friends exactly like you. I can be a headbanger too. At least in the 1970's I thought Black Sabbath was the best. Master of Reality made me realize they were speaking of good things, not evil if anyone cared to listen. One thing I noticed between my Deadhead friends and banger friends was that respect. Keep in mind in the 1970's if you like disco you were a nerd. So it was easy to make fun of other music. But the respect was there for metal music and the Dead. Glad to hear you are from my same area.

His two solos in "Comfortably Numb" are notoriously outstanding ofc
I always thought the guitar solo in Another Brick In The Wall was one of the best guitar solo's ever. I thought that about a few solo's. Terry Kath in Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4 was another. We can start a thread of best guitar solos ever. I just may.
 
ive come around a little bit - im actually ok with the Dead now where i didn't really like them before


but i still do hate bands like Fleetwood Mac - i can't stand Fleetwood Mac



David Bowie...still can't stand him either



The Misfits were from Lodi NJ and i grew up 2 towns away so there was always that influence.....and then i grew up in the age of mid to late-80s hardcore and thrash - so that's my roots

:shrug:
 
I grew up in Northvale, New Jersey. Bergen County. I know exactly where Lodi is.
 
One my favorites is the fast inverse square root solution on computers

The square root of any number is that number stored as a signed integer then moved to memory as a floating point number, then returned to a signed integer.
You subtract have the range of the floating point number/ 2 (stored as a constant) and it is the inverse square root of that number.

This operation is way faster than calling the microprocessor's own Square Root microcode.


 
ive come around a little bit - im actually ok with the Dead now where i didn't really like them before
Here is a little secret, in the early 1980s if you didn’t know a Dead Head you were not getting acid. lol Metal heads had to bow a bit. So the drugs was a commonality. Before each Dead tour it seemed a new batch of acid came out. One tour the octopus blotter was king. Another the black pyramids. Then all of my friends that were not into the Dead got their acid from someone that went to a show. Seems a town was seeded after the Dead played there. Cleaned the vibes of the town and left a lot of acid behind.

Whoa, really digging the math algorithms. Keep them coming.
 
My father would be 73 if he was still alive

I was at the last tour in 95, a month before Jerry died, at Giants stadium, in the parking lot, and the blotters had a snowman on them - I remember it clear as day

🙂
 
Your dad would be 13 years older than me.

I was there on Fathers Day in 95. Sad day for us diehards. I was also at all 3 Shoreline Amp shows just before that. That is where the black pyramids that people talk about came about. I also had a few snowmen blotters as well as WOW.

Funny how different the parking lot was from 1982 and then say 1992. It grew and grew. But early on people were there for music. Then people realized they could get drugs in the lot.
 
My father would be 73 if he was still alive

I was at the last tour in 95, a month before Jerry died, at Giants stadium, in the parking lot, and the blotters had a snowman on them - I remember it clear as day

🙂
I remember that Tour...

In Chicago I was sitting in a Van on Shakedown Street high on LSD with a group of friends singing "Halleluia, I'm a Bum"
 
ive come around a little bit - im actually ok with the Dead now where i didn't really like them before


but i still do hate bands like Fleetwood Mac - i can't stand Fleetwood Mac



David Bowie...still can't stand him either



The Misfits were from Lodi NJ and i grew up 2 towns away so there was always that influence.....and then i grew up in the age of mid to late-80s hardcore and thrash - so that's my roots

:shrug:

I have never been into Fleetwood Mac either. Even back when I thought classic rock was the pinnacle of music (at some point though I started to feel like it was trite and annoying, perhaps part of it is that it's MASSIVELY overplayed. Of course, there are plenty of songs considered in the "classic rock" genre that are amazing and among my favorite songs, just as that is true of any musical genre). David Bowie is hit or miss, but It's never been among my favorites. A few songs I love though.

The Dead is an acquired taste. They grow on you more and more. The live show was where it was at. Listening to live shows, especially from their peak time periods, is great, but actually having been able to go see one I bet your opinion would have been different. Bands like that are for seeing live, you can't get everything they're about listening to a track. Also, the Dead's studio albums are barely even represetative of their music. They're the bare bones structures of their songs, but the Dead are all about the improv, playing every song differently every time. The studio albums don't give you that.

I have grow to love the Dead, and what's more, am continually amazed at the profound influence they had on culture. It started with the Electric Kool-aid Acid Tests, which they were the house band for, back before they had a name for themselves, they were just some friends playing together at first, didn't eve have a band name for a bit. When they started touring, they left the Haight-Ashbury scene and ended up spreading LSD around the country to everywhere they went. They redefined what a concert could be... it was a radical concept to play every song differently every time and improvise most of the time on stage. Their fans likened it to going to church and having a spiritual experience (the acid certainly helped with that as well). As a result, they started to generate a following; people would travel around with them from show to show. From this, a sub-culture was born, which was the start of music festival culture.

Few bands have had as much influence on our culture, and especially on musical culture, as the Grateful Dead.
 
That's trippy! That's like the sum of every multiple of 9 adds up to 9.

9x1=9
9x2=18
9x3=27
9x4=36
9x5=45...

It goes on infinitely.
9x1234=11106

I never realized that! But makes sense, I suppose... I bet a mathematician could prove that it's due to the same root reason that the one I posted is true (that every number whose digits add to a multiple of 3 is divisible by 3). Or maybe not. I had a math double major in college, but my main major was computer science and I just realized that if I picked my last 2 electives as math classes, I could get a double major with 2 more math classes. Those 2 more math classes (abstract algebra and abstract calculus) were the hardest classes I took in college. I love math, but only conceptually... and when you get into math that is not in any way computational, that's where I tap out.

With programming, the most math I do is arithmetic, and I utilize the principles of algebra. Programming really has little to do with higher math in practice, unless you're coding stuff for physics or graphics. Even graphics, I'd imagine these days that there are packages that handle the math for you.
 
Here is a little secret, in the early 1980s if you didn’t know a Dead Head you were not getting acid. lol Metal heads had to bow a bit. So the drugs was a commonality. Before each Dead tour it seemed a new batch of acid came out. One tour the octopus blotter was king. Another the black pyramids. Then all of my friends that were not into the Dead got their acid from someone that went to a show. Seems a town was seeded after the Dead played there. Cleaned the vibes of the town and left a lot of acid behind.

Whoa, really digging the math algorithms. Keep them coming. There is another one where multiplying anything by 9 will always add up to 9. But I need to look into the last two you all just posted. Thanks!
Lol, he's (I THINK I have this relatively minor equation rightly angled) never quite ofc but always near catching you up gramps. ;) (I'm a not too distant off 3rd)


See I make it my natural business to "know" people. Put the feelers out, leave them hanging. there is a lot of Coral out there.


Anyway. I owe you alls apology. For so much drama. I did well though.

Only 12.5 mg's yesterday by simple mental prescription.


I've been in a make or break situation so long, many times thought I'd made it, many more was convinced hopes were adash. Betwixt & between. So mentally disturbing with such high stakes.

Put me alone in nowhere, fine! Drag my mum & dog under, na-ah!

My focus priority & concern, is to recover for other's sake truly.


I committed last weekend to trying still. With lots of positive encouragement support & acceptance here specifically too.


I hoped I'd passed the incoming surf with Monday's Accupuncture treatment but I was wrong.

It opened a trap door of tidal currents so immense effort energy & will required still.

And focus. Yesterday morning I was again majorly constipated and with such a threat too. Re rectum, potential re-aggravation or continual self-toxication and mania.


So I fasted again. Zero calories, food just kadavu kava (really sleep-kerping one) little weed vaped, and about 1/2 benzo dose.



Had shitloads of such messed up end of the universe always scale dreams, so many vivid individual ventures.


One disturbing one. I dreamt my dog was a fish, in a cup in my room except lifeless and there was another container and I think the fish needed putting back together in part and transferring to fresh water.

Like a fish out of water. I held about an 8 OZ Roach or Bream type fish in palms, looking to save. I had no water though and in my cup was my own blood. I had to put the fish back in there to keep it going until figured out. I'm sure there us meaning & symbolism in it. Lifeblood & all. Connection. Dependence. Vitality.


It's for her amost I scrap. I can't bear the idea of her feeling abandoned without understanding.


I awoke from hell over dozen times, just managed about 6th bowel movement and feeling pretty clear now too.

Nothing like yesterday, Monday, or last months.

Trauma has really got me still though.


Plan to try keep my dosing lower than 20 mg's if can, or capped there religiously.


Secure basic physical recovery finally IF possible. And work around that.


You've all really helped me though. It's still utterly make or break but vs 24 hrs ago, I'd consider this a "buy" into the next round.

Except it wasn't a buy, I never get buys just scraps & climbs. Pausing up-hillside to camp dry off cook recuperate & plot path. Maybe one day I'll get that buy I need.

Again, real sorry such drama.



I'm glad too, Krink's pit closed. It was becoming bit like Syd Barrett's flat lol.

All welcome, he's such a cool open non controlling dude.

So all the crooks see opportunity to masquerade under weak semi-artificial personas until everyone needs checking out.

Those type of Hillbillies can't hang in this thread though where only real discussion can occur, with equal room for freedom but no free roaming ground for Heatless's, Mydri's or you name em.
 
Your dad would be 13 years older than me.

I was there on Fathers Day in 95. Sad day for us diehards. I was also at all 3 Shoreline Amp shows just before that. That is where the black pyramids that people talk about came about. I also had a few snowmen blotters as well as WOW.

Funny how different the parking lot was from 1982 and then say 1992. It grew and grew. But early on people were there for music. Then people realized they could get drugs in the lot.
Okay lol. You DO win by a clear enough margin, I thought so but I try not to use a count with these matters) so we don't need a photo-shoot to declare you Victor. :)
 
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