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larsfaas

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Hi,

I did not know in which category I had to put this, since this is about RC's and MDMA. For now I put it in RC, let me know if it should be changed

I've been using 2-FMA for a few weeks now to work on my thesis. I use it 2-3 times a week with a starting dose of 40mg and sometimes a redose in the afternoon. I feel like some tolerance has been building.

Soon I will be rolling on MDMA and obviously I want to have a good time. Now I am a bit worried that my 2-FMA usage will affect the MDMA trip, because of cross-tolerance or maybe fatigue. So my questions are:

- Is there any cross-tolerance between MDMA and 2-FMA? Since they are both forms of amphetamine.
- How many days before the roll should I stop taking 2-FMA? I will be rolling on a sunday.
- Are there any supplements I can take before the roll to minimize the impact of 2-FMA on the MDMA trip? I have L-tyrosine, 5-HTP, L-Tryptophan and magnesium.
 
Hi,

I did not know in which category I had to put this, since this is about RC's and MDMA. For now I put it in RC, let me know if it should be changed

I've been using 2-FMA for a few weeks now to work on my thesis. I use it 2-3 times a week with a starting dose of 40mg and sometimes a redose in the afternoon. I feel like some tolerance has been building.

Soon I will be rolling on MDMA and obviously I want to have a good time. Now I am a bit worried that my 2-FMA usage will affect the MDMA trip, because of cross-tolerance or maybe fatigue. So my questions are:

- Is there any cross-tolerance between MDMA and 2-FMA? Since they are both forms of amphetamine.
- How many days before the roll should I stop taking 2-FMA? I will be rolling on a sunday.
- Are there any supplements I can take before the roll to minimize the impact of 2-FMA on the MDMA trip? I have L-tyrosine, 5-HTP, L-Tryptophan and magnesium.

Hi, welcome to Bluelight.

Yes there is cross tolerance, and your use of 2FMA is not reckless, but will definitely lessen the intensity of the MDMA if you don't take at least a full week off.

What form of Magnesium do you have? Can you get some NAC (N Acetyl Cysteine) and Vitamin C?
I'd recommend 2 to 2.5g of NAC and 2-3g of Vit C daily.

Are you going to take the MDMA before or after your exam?
 
Hi, welcome to Bluelight.

Yes there is cross tolerance, and your use of 2FMA is not reckless, but will definitely lessen the intensity of the MDMA if you don't take at least a full week off.

What form of Magnesium do you have? Can you get some NAC (N Acetyl Cysteine) and Vitamin C?
I'd recommend 2 to 2.5g of NAC and 2-3g of Vit C daily.

Are you going to take the MDMA before or after your exam?
Hi! Thanks for the response. I have Magnesium Citrate and I can ger NAC and Vitamin C. I use the 2-FMA to work on my thesis, so it is not an exam. My thesis is due somewhere in june.

I have a question about the possible risks of higher dosages 2-FMA. You said my use is ‘not reckless’. I’ve read stories about people using 100mg+. What are the consequenses of such high amounts? And what would that do to the MDMA experience? Just trying to understand all possible scenario’s.
 
Hi! Thanks for the response. I have Magnesium Citrate and I can ger NAC and Vitamin C. I use the 2-FMA to work on my thesis, so it is not an exam. My thesis is due somewhere in june.

I have a question about the possible risks of higher dosages 2-FMA. You said my use is ‘not reckless’. I’ve read stories about people using 100mg+. What are the consequenses of such high amounts? And what would that do to the MDMA experience? Just trying to understand all possible scenario’s.

Ok, so 40mg of 2fma are not a conservative dose, but not an hedonistic/recreational dose either.
So, you're likely going to be able to get work done more efficiently, while on 100mg+ dosages you're going to be euphoric, chatty, maybe manic, hyperactive and hypersexual.
You may end up "harassing" your partner for sex if you have one, masturbating for hours or other probably fun but unproductive activities.
You're not going to eat and probably you'll forget to drink water and you'll not go to sleep at your usual time.
And then you're gonna crash, sleep 12 hours or more, and be a bit tired, moody and depressed for a day or 2, and you probably won't get much studying done in these days either.
If you keep taking high dosages daily you will definitely develop a strong psychological addiction, and you'll probably need to see it impact you life in an objectively negative way before you quit (such as realising you lost an extreme amount of weight, your partner or friends tell you to choose between them or the drugs, you spent an excessive amount of money on drugs and now can't make rent, etc) you would be able to quit without any medical assistance although it will suck for a bout a week and you'd be likely to relapse in the future.

In regards to how this would impact the MDMA, you need to know that MDMA is not a true psychedelic, it's a stimulant with some mild psychedelic properties.
By taking a stimulant such as 2FMA you're going to lose a lot of the adrenergic and dopaminergic kick of MDMA and you're going to get more of a relaxed/chilled high with very little euphoria.

I also feel compelled to make a point that I wouldn't use MDMA before your thesis is completed and you've finished with your studies.
While you may have used MDMA in the past with no consequences other than being tired for a couple of days, there is a small chance that you get a way more serious comedown, which would absolutely be detrimental to your drive and cognitive performance.
Look at it this way, you've dedicated years of your life to getting to the end of your course of studies, and you would now be risking to significantly reduce your final score or even to not being able to have your thesis ready in June, all for a night of fun.
The way I see it it's not worth it, and it would be more appropriate to roll to celebrate the end of your course of studies and the start of a new chapter in your life.

I'm not trying to be a dickhead and judge your choices, and we will help you try and minimise the consequences of your 2FMA and MDMA use regardless of when you decide to take it, I'm just trying to make you aware of all the possible scenarios so you can make an informed decision.

So, definitely take 500mg Mag Citrate 2x day, and get on the NAC and Vit C as well.
Make sure your 2FMA use is not making you lose any sleep and that you're not undereating.
Take note of things like reduced libido, anxiety, depression, lethargy, anhedonia and inability to focus and get stuff done when you're not on 2FMA.
Make sure you're doing some light aerobic exercise (like a 45 min jog at a pace that doesn't even make you excessively tired) at least 3x week as this will increase BDNF (Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factor), which is a healing and regenerating factor for the brain.
This will help increase your energy and speed up recovery from 2FMA use.
 
So, no surprise that 2FMA is nigh on identical to meth.

I do NOT know why people aren't offering o-F BMK in bulk.
 
Ok, so 40mg of 2fma are not a conservative dose, but not an hedonistic/recreational dose either.
So, you're likely going to be able to get work done more efficiently, while on 100mg+ dosages you're going to be euphoric, chatty, maybe manic, hyperactive and hypersexual.
You may end up "harassing" your partner for sex if you have one, masturbating for hours or other probably fun but unproductive activities.
You're not going to eat and probably you'll forget to drink water and you'll not go to sleep at your usual time.
And then you're gonna crash, sleep 12 hours or more, and be a bit tired, moody and depressed for a day or 2, and you probably won't get much studying done in these days either.
If you keep taking high dosages daily you will definitely develop a strong psychological addiction, and you'll probably need to see it impact you life in an objectively negative way before you quit (such as realising you lost an extreme amount of weight, your partner or friends tell you to choose between them or the drugs, you spent an excessive amount of money on drugs and now can't make rent, etc) you would be able to quit without any medical assistance although it will suck for a bout a week and you'd be likely to relapse in the future.

In regards to how this would impact the MDMA, you need to know that MDMA is not a true psychedelic, it's a stimulant with some mild psychedelic properties.
By taking a stimulant such as 2FMA you're going to lose a lot of the adrenergic and dopaminergic kick of MDMA and you're going to get more of a relaxed/chilled high with very little euphoria.

I also feel compelled to make a point that I wouldn't use MDMA before your thesis is completed and you've finished with your studies.
While you may have used MDMA in the past with no consequences other than being tired for a couple of days, there is a small chance that you get a way more serious comedown, which would absolutely be detrimental to your drive and cognitive performance.
Look at it this way, you've dedicated years of your life to getting to the end of your course of studies, and you would now be risking to significantly reduce your final score or even to not being able to have your thesis ready in June, all for a night of fun.
The way I see it it's not worth it, and it would be more appropriate to roll to celebrate the end of your course of studies and the start of a new chapter in your life.

I'm not trying to be a dickhead and judge your choices, and we will help you try and minimise the consequences of your 2FMA and MDMA use regardless of when you decide to take it, I'm just trying to make you aware of all the possible scenarios so you can make an informed decision.

So, definitely take 500mg Mag Citrate 2x day, and get on the NAC and Vit C as well.
Make sure your 2FMA use is not making you lose any sleep and that you're not undereating.
Take note of things like reduced libido, anxiety, depression, lethargy, anhedonia and inability to focus and get stuff done when you're not on 2FMA.
Make sure you're doing some light aerobic exercise (like a 45 min jog at a pace that doesn't even make you excessively tired) at least 3x week as this will increase BDNF (Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factor), which is a healing and regenerating factor for the brain.
This will help increase your energy and speed up recovery from 2FMA use.
With the points you are making about the consequences, I feel like I should just stop my use of 2-FMA. Like I said, I feel like a tolerance is building. With the starting dose of 40mg and sometimes a redose, I sometimes use 80mg on a day. But if I keep going, this will soon be 100mg+. My sleep gets affected, I definitely get horny and i feel some form of euphoria (is this some release of serotonin maybe?). Is the NAC and Vit C still necessary if I quit altogether to help the recovery of the damage?
 
With the points you are making about the consequences, I feel like I should just stop my use of 2-FMA. Like I said, I feel like a tolerance is building. With the starting dose of 40mg and sometimes a redose, I sometimes use 80mg on a day. But if I keep going, this will soon be 100mg+. My sleep gets affected, I definitely get horny and i feel some form of euphoria (is this some release of serotonin maybe?). Is the NAC and Vit C still necessary if I quit altogether to help the recovery of the damage?

If you're going up to 80mg per day some days, I recommend you at least take a 2 weeks break to assess your situation and how much you crave taking some.
If you decide to resume until all work is done on your thesis dose 20mg per day when you go back on.
 
With the points you are making about the consequences, I feel like I should just stop my use of 2-FMA. Like I said, I feel like a tolerance is building. With the starting dose of 40mg and sometimes a redose, I sometimes use 80mg on a day. But if I keep going, this will soon be 100mg+. My sleep gets affected, I definitely get horny and i feel some form of euphoria (is this some release of serotonin maybe?). Is the NAC and Vit C still necessary if I quit altogether to help the recovery of the damage?
Hey, good luck with the thesis. I was in the same boat a couple years ago. 80mg a day is not ideal indeed and if you're becoming dependent on it for actually getting thesis stuff done it'll only get worse and lose effectiveness, and eventually it might be just as hard to get stuff done on it as sober.. What happened to me is that I needed it (turned out I did have ADHD though) to get literally anything done, and it slowly lost effectiveness, until I decided snorting was a good idea, and by then all real positives are gone.

Redoses are tempting cause you get that energy/focus drop earlier when tolerance increases, but I feel like you're just digging a deeper hole that way. Sticking to 20-30mg and actually doing things is the way to go I think, with enough days off (with good sleep, food and a good schedule). Not that I ever did any of those things at the time, far far from it. That said, if it's only like a week or 2 left of serious work, there's definitely a case for grinding through and never having to look back. But it's obviously better if it's done clean, with excellent sleep and well organized days of working (like a real job).

Often, with "functional" stims, once you're asking these kinds of questions, it's time to stop. I took 2-FMA for 2 years before that, during heavy exam periods with good success but the thesis was harder and once you cross some sort of invisible line with stims you can't go really go back to before. You might not be there yet though...

The 2-FMA serotonin release is negligible btw. Also, like Phobos said, I would hold off on the MDMA too, it'll zap energy and motivation and heavily worsen your sleep in the week after, not at all worth it.

Good luck ;)
 
If you're going up to 80mg per day some days, I recommend you at least take a 2 weeks break to assess your situation and how much you crave taking some.
If you decide to resume until all work is done on your thesis dose 20mg per day when you go back on.
1 week in the break. I can still focus on my work, but there is sometimes the thought that I could've done more that day if I had used 2-FMA. Not really cravings i think. Anyways, still going fine. Not tired at all, exercising more in the evening, watching my food habits and taking my supplements (L-Tyrosine, 5-HTP, Magnesium Citrate).
 
1 week in the break. I can still focus on my work, but there is sometimes the thought that I could've done more that day if I had used 2-FMA. Not really cravings i think. Anyways, still going fine. Not tired at all, exercising more in the evening, watching my food habits and taking my supplements (L-Tyrosine, 5-HTP, Magnesium Citrate).

That's great, the next week is going to be easier, keep up with the exercising.

Look into Bromantane, it's a very effective nootropic that has virtually 0 abuse and addiction potential, while allowing you to be productive for more hours than normal and also boosts BDNF much like exercising.

I'm not recommending you to take it, but let's say that it would be a safer alternative to 2FMA, and it's not illegal so you're not risking legal trouble by buying it and possessing it.
 
That's great, the next week is going to be easier, keep up with the exercising.

Look into Bromantane, it's a very effective nootropic that has virtually 0 abuse and addiction potential, while allowing you to be productive for more hours than normal and also boosts BDNF much like exercising.

I'm not recommending you to take it, but let's say that it would be a safer alternative to 2FMA, and it's not illegal so you're not risking legal trouble by buying it and possessing it.
So it is almost a month later and I got NAC. Taking just 1 dose of 600mg every morning, not the 2g you recommended. I first want to see how I react and I found that 2g is quite a high dosage. I also read that NAC makes amphetamines weaker, how does this work? For the final weeks I want to try the 2-FMA again, but how will this interact with the NAC?
 
So it is almost a month later and I got NAC. Taking just 1 dose of 600mg every morning, not the 2g you recommended. I first want to see how I react and I found that 2g is quite a high dosage. I also read that NAC makes amphetamines weaker, how does this work? For the final weeks I want to try the 2-FMA again, but how will this interact with the NAC?
What you mean by "a high dose"? Did you get any side effects?
NAC is neuroprotective and some people report that somehow it accelerates recovery from stim use.
 
What you mean by "a high dose"? Did you get any side effects?
NAC is neuroprotective and some people report that somehow it accelerates recovery from stim use.
I did research on NAC on the internet and found that a typical dose is around 600-1200mg. I got the NAC yesterday, so I just started. But how will the NAC interact with the 2-FMA?
 
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