Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v 6.0

[paranoid android]

ya igy I wouldn’t just assume you aren’t able to trip if you haven’t even tried it yet some people can on APS, when I was 5 months off invega sustenna it was still effecting me quite a bit but I tripped on LSD no problem the only different thing about it was the visuals were dimmed down but other then that the experience was the same as pre injections I still got the euphoria, a higher sense of self awareness, the psychedelic headspace, the intense rush of energy etc.

Ya someone i know who was on risperdal also managed to trip so that gives me some hope to. I really hope i can as i want to see if tripping will help my PTSD which is still being a cunt to me. I guess if i don't trip off a normal dose i could always go for a big fuck off dose which should work.

I was also reading that haldol does not effect serotonin really so maybe if worse comes to worse i could get low dose haldol off my doctor for like a week or so instead of zyprexa so then i could trip. Haldol kind of scares me though as i already had akathisia from latuda and it was fucking torture. I don't really trust the non sedating antipsychotics anymore.

 

[Merek]

Ya someone i know who was on risperdal also managed to trip so that gives me some hope to. I really hope i can as i want to see if tripping will help my PTSD which is still being a cunt to me. I guess if i don't trip off a normal dose i could always go for a big fuck off dose which should work.

I was also reading that haldol does not effect serotonin really so maybe if worse comes to worse i could get low dose haldol off my doctor for like a week or so instead of zyprexa so then i could trip. Haldol kind of scares me though as i already had akathisia from latuda and it was fucking torture. I don't really trust the non sedating antipsychotics anymore.

I struggle with PTSD too at first I didn’t realize it cause invega was numbing me out but as I recovered more my PTSD came to the surface and tripping has helped a ton with it, it made me more open minded and reminded me there’s still lots of good in the world and that I need to stop overthinking, that whole ordeal is over now and very unlikely to happen to me again I’ve worked through it and done my best to move on now I’d say my traumatic experiences have left a positive impact on my life as I have learned a lot from them and I’m a much stronger person cause of it now.

 

[Kaatrina]

I disagree with this. What Kaatrina said was not spot on, nor 100% correct but quite vastly incorrect. I have given comprehensive evidence and arguments for my claims and for my disputes/responses to the criticisms of others, including Kaatrina. I have not received an adequate, detailed and evidence-based response at any time.

These are extremely important matters I've always been discussing. Terrible crimes have occurred, directly relevant to the victims in these threads, to their injuries, to their recovery, to their well-being, etc. These are directly relevant to "daily struggles."

It is not appropriate to be dismissive of these extremely serious and relevant matters, unless you have reason to do so, unless their is strong evidence that refutes my evidence and my claims.

These threads on the bluelight forum are the definitive community and forum, in all the internet and all the world, brick & mortar, as well, for discussion of both paliperidone-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction (to the best of my knowledge) and I've asked others to show me any other forums that rival this one in this regard but have not received a response. The moderators on these threads have a duty to the posters, to these victims and to society. I have worked very hard to try to illuminate why these matters are important--my efforts have usually been very well received on these forums but today, it seems, the current regulars have been unexpectedly offended by them and not appreciative at all. These responses are not justified and I have tried to make clear why, while hoping to get more details and evidence from the posters today why they have these strong opinions.

I am not trying to pick quarrels, I just want to have constructive conversations. When I give strong opinions, I try to provide as much evidence as possible. The others on this thread today should do the same and refrain from characterizing me in a defamatory way without any evidence. These matters I discuss should be defended from unreasonable attacks on them. They are of profound moral importance and direct importance to the thread subject, to posters and victims and the larger cause it represents. No, I did not invent this "cause." If there are vast numbers of victims of psychiatric drug induced injuries, this is a "cause" that exists, independently of me, independently of me calling it so.

Nothing I said was wrong.

I copy/pasted jury instructions when trying to prove to a jury in a court of law that something occurred.

You may FEEL like you were strangled, ect. You may feel very wronged & like important things were ripped and taken from you. I've felt the same way about invega.

But those feelings don't mean anything in court. The lawyer you spoke to was 100% correct about med Mal being expensive and difficult to prove. There are people who have died from med Mal that don't get shit.

No one is saying you can't talk about how this wasn't fair, or gather evidence of harm, ect. Were just asking you to stay on the plane of reality- the terms you're using have distinct definitions and the way you're using them makes you come off disconnected, insensitive, hyperbolic, and difficult to take seriously

 

[paranoid android]

I struggle with PTSD too at first I didn’t realize it cause invega was numbing me out but as I recovered more my PTSD came to the surface and tripping has helped a ton with it, it made me more open minded and reminded me there’s still lots of good in the world and that I need to stop overthinking, that whole ordeal is over now and very unlikely to happen to me again I’ve worked through it and done my best to move on now I’d say my traumatic experiences have left a positive impact on my life as I have learned a lot from them and I’m a much stronger person cause of it now.

My PTSD didnt really kick in until i was switched over to abilify. I think this was because i was still in that godawful fucking hell hole of a psych ward when i was on invega and also when i was first put on abilify to. Latuda actually seemed to be making my PTSD worse for some reason which led to me taking more clonazepam, zopiclone and morphine.

Im really glad that tripping helped you though all this gave me hope.

 

[prinzfrost]

You don’t have the religious behaviours to diet? Lol wtf does that mean??? Sometimes you have to diet even though you don’t get any pleasure from it. Sometimes you have to exercise even though you don’t get any pleasure from it. Dude I don’t even take your seriously anymore, you’ve only been off the injection for five months you have no idea if your sexual dysfunction is permanent or not you’re jumping the gun! How do you think schizophrenics, and bipolar ppl deal with life and depressed ppl who have to take antipsychotics everyday they exercise, they diet, they workout, they lack pleasure but they do it anyways. That’s what I find so stupid about this form and ppl who whine like “omg I have such bad anhedonia” put yourself in a persons shoes who has to take these medications on the regular…they still accomplish all these things and don’t give up. Stop being a whiney bitch.

Slow down, buddy. I said I had lost my faculties and abilities to do these things like I used to but still am able to, to some extent, and at any rate they never worked! Did you not read my post? Abilify caused me the weight gain, not paliperidone, and I was able to exercise and diet religiously all my life up until December 2021! I had been doing them for 10 years post-onset of weight gain without effect on my weight.

You also got the details completely wrong. I never had the injection--I've been off paliperidone daily pills for 15 months, not five

Severe anhedonia is not an acceptable side effect. It ruins lives. If people who take these medications regularly have this problem, something needs to be done! These injuries cannot be justified by anything whatsoever. It's not nice to call me a "whiney bitch," try to be a little more considerate, especially when what your saying is not true.

 

[Merek]

My PTSD didnt really kick in until i was switched over to abilify. I think this was because i was still in that godawful fucking hell hole of a psych ward when i was on invega and also when i was first put on abilify to. Latuda actually seemed to be making my PTSD worse for some reason which led to me taking more clonazepam, zopiclone and morphine.

Im really glad that tripping helped you though all this gave me hope.

Ya for sure man tripping is definitely a much safer way to cope then taking morphine k pins and zoplicone those substances don’t actually help ptsd they just numb you out it’s alright to take them as long as you’re responsible with it just don’t let it spiral out of control addiction to benzos and morphine is no joke.

 

[Merek]

Shoving a needle into the ass? You mean the rectum? Yeah that would be sexual assault. If it were for a legitimate medical purpose into the buttock, that would be different.

I've touched upon some of these points before. You didn't consider what I said before! The drug label for paliperidone does not list any sexual side effects! And psychiatrists rarely warn their patients of these side effects and did not at all in my case. I didn't believe the effects would occur, justly, because I and others have been deceived! Some of us were forced to take this drug, like myself, but even if we weren't, while we may have consented to taking the pill, we didn't consent to its dangerous interactions with our sexual systems nor to the sexual injuries they cause! This is instrumental sexual assault and rape, exactly. Again, a sexual assault counselor agreed with me. This is like saying someone who consents to a gynecological exam or interacts with another romantic partner thinking they are going to have consensual sex, but then suffer severe sexual injuries and nonconsensual, reckless and harmful contact, has consented to it!

You keep saying the same shit over and over, I agree that it’s wrong for the psychiatrists to give out these meds without telling you how bad the side effects can truly be, but tell that to a lawyer it’s a lost cause, you have nothing to gain by spamming the forum like this you could be doing something much more useful with your time such as healthy things that speed up recovery.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Have a good evening guys. Gonna have dinner and maybe watch a movie.

Keep on how you have been which is helping each other to recover and providing hope that one day you will indeed recover. There is hope for all of you and you have to keep that in the forefront of your mind and not let the bad thoughts get a hold of you.

 

[paranoid android]

Nothing I said was wrong.

I copy/pasted jury instructions when trying to prove to a jury in a court of law that something occurred.

You may FEEL like you were strangled, ect. You may feel very wronged & like important things were ripped and taken from you. I've felt the same way about invega.

But those feelings don't mean anything in court. The lawyer you spoke to was 100% correct about med Mal being expensive and difficult to prove. There are people who have died from med Mal that don't get shit.

No one is saying you can't talk about how this wasn't fair, or gather evidence of harm, ect. Were just asking you to stay on the plane of reality- the terms you're using have distinct definitions and the way you're using them makes you come off disconnected, insensitive, hyperbolic, and difficult to take seriously

This basically. I wouldnt even run what he said past my brother as he would laugh in my face. But i am not trying to belittle what prinzfrost said as i suffered from horrible sexual dysfunction for fucking years because of both invega and abilify and there was nothing pleasant about it. I would actually love to sue over it as well but it is damn near impossible to sue a doctor in Canada anyway never mind when you havent actually suffered any permanent injuries anyway. I was actually going to sue over how i was treated in the psych ward as i felt very strongly that noone should be treated how i and others where treated in there but again suing a doctor in Canada is nigh on impossible and i don't have the cash to hire a independent doctor which is what we would need to sue them. I was not only thrown in solitary confinement but i was also yanked off all my meds (morphine, clonazepam, seroquel and gabapentin) and given not even so much as loperamide for wd.

As far as i am concerned i did have crimes committed against me by staff in there and confined unlawfully as why should staff be able to throw someone in solitary and drug them and get away with it yet if i did that to someone it would be at the very least unlawful confinement and assault. The whole experience i had in there makes me fucking sick though and makes me want to get the fuck out of western society altogether as if what i saw in there is treatment i really wouldn't want to see actual punishment. I can say i was actually treated better by the police when i was actually arrested as they atleast gave me my meds and fed me. Even 3 months ago when i ws having a minor psychotic episode the police showed up after a nurse ratted me out and even though they saw my needles on the table they did not rat me out to the ;paramedics. As much as it pains me to say it i now trust the police more then i do medical professionals.

But going around comparing what happened to me and others in there to actual sexual assault is not fucking going to help anyone.

 

[Conky]

Ya someone i know who was on risperdal also managed to trip so that gives me some hope to. I really hope i can as i want to see if tripping will help my PTSD which is still being a cunt to me. I guess if i don't trip off a normal dose i could always go for a big fuck off dose which should work.

I was also reading that haldol does not effect serotonin really so maybe if worse comes to worse i could get low dose haldol off my doctor for like a week or so instead of zyprexa so then i could trip. Haldol kind of scares me though as i already had akathisia from latuda and it was fucking torture. I don't really trust the non sedating antipsychotics anymore.

Haldol isn't supposed to block opiate receptors too yet I can only get good effects from dosing once per day. If I redose, nothing happens.

 

[paranoid android]

Haldol isn't supposed to block opiate receptors too yet I can only get good effects from dosing once per day. If I redose, nothing happens.

Shitty. I need my morphine for pain so i won't be going down that road

 

[Merek]

Fetty the pressed ones and kind of but ever since invega I don’t get wd nearly as bad as I normally would for what I’m using which lets me know something isn’t working right

Opiates are dopamine and serotonin agonists however over time the brain fights to return to homeostasis meaning that it ends up depleting serotonin and dopamine not only that but it’s bad for the liver and since paliparadone is metabolized in the liver it probably prolonged your recovery it’s not normal to barely feel improved from invega at all at month 11-12 judging by your posts it seems like opiates may be the culprit for why you haven’t recovered as fast as the average person if you can’t even get euphoria from it anymore and the wds aren’t as bad anymore you might as well kick them in your situation opiates are only doing more harm then good and you might be barely feeling them at all cause of tolerance too injections or not the more you take them and the more your tolerance increases the less euphoria you will feel.

 

[Merek]

Ya when i was addicted to opiates i was scripted seroquel but never took it cause i hated it. I have to say though thorazine was actually pretty good mixed with morphine and so was compazine. They also prescribe haldol sometimes for nausea from chemo along with opiates so i don't think it actually blocks the effects from opiates much if at all

I kind of liked seroquel the few times I’ve taken it, it gave me good sleep which was a luxury during my psychotic episode where I had severe insomnia, Thorazine is literally designed to damage your brain the makers even admitted that although I think it’s fine every now and then in low doses.

 

[paranoid android]

Fetty the pressed ones and kind of but ever since invega I don’t get wd nearly as bad as I normally would for what I’m using which lets me know something isn’t working right

Pressed ones? You mean illegally manufactured opiates? Sounds like you may not be getting as strong pills as you think you are.

I kind of liked seroquel the few times I’ve taken it, it gave me good sleep which was a luxury during my psychotic episode where I had severe insomnia, Thorazine is literally designed to damage your brain the makers even admitted that although I think it’s fine every now and then in low doses.

I would actually take thorazine if it wasn't bad for weight gain to. It's actually not a very potent dopamine antagonist compared to ones like invega. The damage people got from thorazine was actually due to the ridiculous doses people where being prescribed not the drug itself. Brian Wilson as a example was prescribed huge doses by his quack shrink who controlled every aspect of his life. My pharmacist once told me he worked at the psych ward back in the 80's and couldn't believe the doses of antipsychotics some people where given there. He said at the dose i was prescribed for nausea the risk of TD wasn't actually much higher then with the newer antipsychotics like seroquel or zyprexa.

 

[Conky]

Pressed ones? You mean illegally manufactured opiates? Sounds like you may not be getting as strong pills as you think you are.



It's actually not a very potent dopamine antagonist compared to ones like invega. The damage people got from thorazine was actually due to the ridiculous doses people where being prescribed not the drug itself. Brian Wilson as a example was prescribed huge doses by his quack shrink who controlled every aspect of his life. My pharmacist once told me he worked at the psych ward back in the 80's and couldn't believe the doses of antipsychotics some people where given there. He said at the dose i was prescribed for nausea the risk of TD wasn't actually much higher then with the newer antipsychotics like seroquel or zyprexa.

Thorazine is actually a stronger dopamine blocker than invega. All 1st gen APs are. They all bind to dopamine receptors tighter than dopamine itself. All 2nd gen APs bind relatively weakly to dopamine receptors.

 

[paranoid android]

Thorazine is actually a stronger dopamine blocker than invega. All 1st gen APs are. They all bind to dopamine receptors tighter than dopamine itself. All 2nd gen APs bind relatively weakly to dopamine receptors.

I thought it was more on par with seroquel in terms of dopamine binding. I have to say i didnt find it or compazine which is stronger nearly as bad as invega or abilify.

 

[paranoid android]

They are pressed roxicodone pills they have them in canada too I’m sure what city do u live in they are just fetanayl

It's all fent on the street here. I get a morphine script so i don't have to buy off the street. Please becareful with street fent ffs

 

[Merek]

Pressed ones? You mean illegally manufactured opiates? Sounds like you may not be getting as strong pills as you think you are.



I would actually take thorazine if it wasn't bad for weight gain to. It's actually not a very potent dopamine antagonist compared to ones like invega. The damage people got from thorazine was actually due to the ridiculous doses people where being prescribed not the drug itself. Brian Wilson as a example was prescribed huge doses by his quack shrink who controlled every aspect of his life. My pharmacist once told me he worked at the psych ward back in the 80's and couldn't believe the doses of antipsychotics some people where given there. He said at the dose i was prescribed for nausea the risk of TD wasn't actually much higher then with the newer antipsychotics like seroquel or zyprexa.

Ya I get that, it’s kind of like what they do with invega, for some reason they like to give you a fuck off dose to begin with instead of starting with the lowest dose which is stupid imo, if they started injections with a 39mg dose it probably wouldn’t be as frowned upon and would be very effective at treating the most severe cases of schizo affective even then though I’d say they should try every other anti psychotic first and if they don’t work maybe consider a 39mg injection, it would probably take like 2.5 months to recover from that dose and not leave any permanent damage, the same applies to Thorazine I feel like they would perscribe fuck off doses that cause brain damage and it’s gotten a bad rep cause of it but maybe in low doses it wouldn’t be so bad.

 

[Conky]

lol your wrong invega is an irreversible antagonist it locks onto dopamine and serotonin receptors and doesn’t let go

all 2nd gen APs bind weakly to dopamine receptors compared with 1st gen agents. However, they are much more potent at serotonin. It's why they tend to have less side effects and less of a chance to cause movement disorder than something like thorazine.

 

[Merek]

It's all fent on the street here. I get a morphine script so i don't have to buy off the street. Please becareful with street fent ffs

I used to do perc30s with the M30 logo I’m pretty sure I got fentanyl a couple times I had a bad overdose where I couldn’t stop vomiting for an hour I was fading in and out of conciousness I was very impulsive and stupid back when I did this and didn’t test my drugs I’m lucky I didn’t die.