Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v 6.0

[paranoid android]

do you think 5 months of invaga cause brain damage

The term brain damage really means nothing. If you don't have pseudo Parkinson's or td your ok

 

[Conky]

I had the munchies from invega when I did a lot of cardio around month 3 I would run 2-3 miles everyday and I didn’t lose the belly at all when month 4 came around I went into anti psychotic withdrawal and had a reduced appetite I lost 12 pounds from barely eating and during this time I think my hormones and metabolism stabilized too I lost the gut entirely in month 4 and I did less exercise then then I did month 3 cause weakness and lack of stamina was a big wd symptom for me.

How long did the invega withdrawal last and what were all your symptoms. How was the anxiety?

I start suffering within 36 hours of my last haloperidol dose

By the time I get to 72 hours I can't handle how intense it is

 

[Serhat]

Ive been two months 11 days off Invega, I havent felt any withdrawal symptoms yet cause mainly because the drug is still in my system deposited into my fat cells on my ass ^.^. Once the drug leaves the system at month 4-5 I'm asuming then ill start feeling withdrawal symptoms

 

[t_xeplionhell]

I wanted to expand upon my previous post addressing Kaatrina's reply to me:

Caveat emptor, exculpatory clauses and limited liability does not exist, to my knowledge, for doctors giving out dangerous drugs; the mere fact of patients taking these drugs alone does not automatically exonerate doctors and drug companies from liablity for the dangers of their drugs and there should really be 0% exoneration for all guilty parties involved, especially when the guilty parties systemically fail to disclose the dangers, deceive their victims and are irrefutably guilty of many other systemic crimes and have a long, irrefutable sordid history of misconduct, untrustworthiness, harm, criminality and maliciousness!

If such massive limits of liability as you describe, and even very small amounts of limits on liability, were in fact the case, it would clearly be unbelievably immoral, a ridiculous, titanic threat to all of civilization and humanity and a corruption of sound law--this would essentially legalize genocide and massive atrocities and crimes, since doctors, drug companies, governments and such could get away with either forcing people to take these drugs or misleading them to take these drugs in massive numbers and causing massive harm, which is already what is happening for many years. These drugs have been around for 70 years and I already shared in previous posts the massive rates of their use in the United States and America--we have great reason to believe genocide is already occurring and that these drugs likely have harmed more people than any single war, outbreak of disease or atrocity in all of history! In addition to the massive rate of harm, other exacerbating features distinguishing them from from most wars, outbreaks of disease and atrocities are the unprecedented, unlimited powers, lack of scrutiny and invincibility of the perpetrators and the comparative, massive lack of resistance to them!

Notice how hard I have been pushing for real research to be done into the real world patient data of people taking these drugs; notice how hard I have been pushing to scrutinize existing side effects literature for its obvious and for its possible flaws and how hard I am and will continue to push to make sure side effects literature has third party verification and oversight and we can prove irrefutably that at least a small % of these studies and their claimed results are honest and reliable. Otherwise, we are just accepting the authors and researchers at their "word" and not doing our due diligence which the facts and circumstances that I discuss all mandate we do! When the medical community, the mental health system, our government branches and agencies and our legal system resist taking these measures, what does that tell you? This is simply more evidence for and reason to believe that the crimes, harms, deceptions, callousness, corruption and maliciousness I allege are actually occurring! These wrongs should not happen and are not acceptable in civilized, moral societies, period!

In addition to the likelihood of endless, massive harm caused by these drugs on a scale never before seen in history, we must also be even more disturbed and alarmed by the unprecedented callousness, ignorance, cruelty and maliciousness making such harm possible, the almost complete lack of scrutiny into these and related systemic, massive crimes, how these crimes are completely unchecked and their perpetrators are practically invincible, as how their perpetrators have practically unlimited and often completely illegal powers and how they are implicated in many other crimes and deception, sabotage, corruption and maliciousness! I believe I have pointed out previously (and must continue to do so) how psychologists and psychiatrists possess and make use of the full powers of our law, illegally (no statutes, no administrative codes, no constitutions and no case law nor common law have ever given them this full power of our law and when they exercise these powers they abuse them and violate the usual rules, fair and due process, safeguards, separation of powers and checks and balances associated with them)--the powers of the police, the courts of law and the prisons--without having to set foot in the police station, the courts of law or prisons. The results are disastrous and unacceptably dangerous and an unbelievable threat to humanity and civilization. The disastrous results and harm will simply get worse in the future--there is no limit to the harm and destruction it can and will cause. I can detail upon request what these full powers of law they have and exercise are, specifically.

Yet you (the poster I am responding to) at least somewhat persist in making bogus excuses for these crimes and for the lack of justice. This could be unbelievable incompetence, unbelievable callousness or deliberate maliciousness but I really hope it is just carelessness and swiftness and my arguments and that my I succeed at persuading you, since, at any rate, you were not properly concerned about these wrongs nor do you seem to be interested in properly addressing them.

These medication crimes and related non-medication crimes are unbelievable, titanic fundamental threats to law and order, medicine, science, business, society, human virtues and values, public health and all human activity! Which underscores the
necessity to systemically address them, prevent them and punish them to the fullest extent allowable by the law! Which underscores the necessity of having the entire world informed about these crimes and problems and of having the entire world care and demand justice and effective solutions.

I wonder what your motivations then on these threads are--these are threads of support for verifiable, innocent victims of harms from paliperidone (and inevitably might involve harms from other antipsychotics, psychiatric drugs and non-medication crimes and misconduct of our mental health system).

The approach to simply wait out the harms of paliperidone is not a sufficient or responsible one!--the more appropriate and responsible approach is to do all or at least most or some of the things I have done, that I discuss repeatedly, encourage and
beg others to do, for not only their own sake but for the sake of all humans on the planet, for the sake of law and order, medicine, science, business, society, truth and reason, human virtues and values, public health and all lawful goodly human activities.

The suffering and injustice is unbelievable and the prospect of auto-recovery, especially in my case, is not hopeful and it wouldn't be responsible or compassionate to admonish me to wait it out while making absurd criticisms of my justified efforts at justice, healing and so on. It is absurd--you wouldn't tell rape victims, victims of aggravated assault, torture, attempted murder, defamation, medical and legal sabotage, medical records falsification, fraud and unjust enrichment, medical, scientific, private and public, government corruption and lawbreaking, etc. to just sit around and wait out a solution and do nothing--right? You wouldn't tell victims who are suffering from repeated, daily and multiple sources of torture, of repeated, daily strangulation, of permanent injuries and life-threatening problems, to sit around and wait out a solution and do nothing--right? I have worked very hard to, on my own (while I am injured, suffering terribly and faced with insurmountable odds, stress, difficulties and maliciousness) figure out and elucidate all aspects of this problem, all the wrongs that occurred and the related laws, all arguments and all needed solutions and measures.

There is not a single case I know of from anywhere where someone with paliperidone induced sexual dysfunction and depression who had made no improvements in 16 months of the condition and ~15 months post discontinuation of paliperidone had ever made a recovery thereafter! Again, it must be said, there is no known treatment or cure and, again, admonishing people to wait it out for long periods of time and criticizing and discouraging important and necessary efforts is ludicrous. Waiting it out is not reliable (there are no known factors involved other than time and discontinuing the offending medication and this mechanism and prospect of recovery is not reliable), not humane, not proven to be effective especially when results aren't forthcoming with the increasing passage of time--the moral responsibility is upon the culprits, upon the mental health system, medicine, science and the involved professions, government agencies and branches of government and businesses, not upon the victims!

References I sent recently contain evidence, arguments and research that proves Invega causes serious lasting damage even after quitting it but it doesn't say for how long damage will last, that was not part of research. If someone proved that those effects can last quite long, maybe you would have chance on trial.

 

[t_xeplionhell]

I have paliperidone-induced depression and sexual dysfunction (since December 2021 to the present), as most of us do/have had. This depression has consisted of total anhedonia, loss of ability to do many activities and loss of many faculties. I do not have the endurance nor religious faculties I once had that are required for strong dieting measures. I do not have the endurance, enjoyment nor benefit to engage in vast exercise.
These exercise and dieting measures at any rate never worked in the past when I was able to do them! I tried for 10 years to lose the abilify induced weight gain and could never do so--I did all the exercise and dietary matters correctly. I did them correctly because I inherently loved them and enjoyed them and didn't need a weight loss purpose to do them, since they gave me so much enjoyment and fulfillment. But nonetheless, when I should have lost weight, I didn't.

Ozempic, aka semaglutide, is very dangerous. Ah, here we go again... there is a vast list of semaglutide's side effects from the manufacturer's label and others that are not listed on the label that keep getting reported in the news by patients, trainers, doctors, researchers and so forth. These side effects occur at considerable enough rates to have us worried. The side effects literature sample sizes are way to small to be reliable and definitive and they haven't, for this drug, to my knowlege, measured long-term side effects. Long-term and permanent injuries that occur at considerable rates are, of course, as I know and others here on these threads know, the ultimate nightmare which is to be avoided at all cost and which should really make these drugs illegal. Semaglutide is being fawned over and promoted extensively, lately, and there are very few if any people discussing their full, comprehensive dangers! My doctor and I discussed semaglutide and he told me that most people who discontinue the medication gain all the weight back and thus have to be on the drug for life. Additionally, there is no evidence that semaglutide would work against antipsychotic induced permanent, irreversible, incurable, untreatable weight gain and I'm not willing to take that risk, especially when this drug can have severe impacts on the gastrointestinal system, where I already have enough problems! and can have side effects that partially resemble those of paliperidone! (loss of sensitivity to alcohol, loss of muscle mass/function, which could indicate other side effects that haven't yet been reported, like anhedonia, loss of exercise faculties, etc.!)

Yes, I'm not on antipsychotics anymore at all (for five months now, since I discontinued abilify and 15 months since I discontinued paliperidone) and they actually never really gave me cravings. How did I gain so much weight if my portions remained the same and my exercise largely did, too? (until I could no longer exercise) This is a question for science to answer, but I have some theories--antipsychotics affect neurochemistry receptors, so likely it affected/damaged subcortical structures governing metabolism and may have directly affected tissues and organs in the rest of the body (not the brain or nervous system) governing metabolism, which would make it a catastrophic weight gain drug, or perhaps maybe a miracle weight gain drug for starving people--however, they and abilify are so dangerous in other regards, it would be unethical to use this to help people gain weight!

You are off 10 months since last shot? I suggest you give it 1.5 year and see how that goes.

 

[t_xeplionhell]

Yes. I've been off invega and all medication for iver four years now, and considered myself fully recovered after 2.5 years.

Manufacturers are only required to warn you of known side effects. Their only responsibility is to warn the intermediary (your doctor and pharmacist) of known effects. They also have no obligation toward unique, oversensitive patients. You knew the warnings and decided to take the medication anyway because YOU judged and took the risk that your received benefit from the drug would outweigh detriment from the side effect. You would have no possible way of proving sexual dysfunction from invega, because you took several other meds that are KNOWN to cause sexual dysfunction AFTER you took invega. It's your responsibility to know what you're taking. I was and am extremely cautious of taking ANY med that has side effects after I found out the severity of invega!

You say I won't argue with you on a legal front - your posts are long-winded and extremely repetitive. Let me help you.

here is the legal definition that must be agreed upon by a jury to find someone guilty of rape: [w]hoever has sexual intercourse . . . with a person, and compels such person to submit by force and against his will, or compels such person to submit by threat of bodily injury."

Nobody had sex with you. I hate to agree with Ratched, but youre diminishing the concept of rape by trying to use its extreme connotations to further your point in a false way.

here is the legal definition of strangulation:

"Strangling" means intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly impeding the normal breathing or circulation of the blood of a person by applying pressure to the throat or neck."

Nobody applied pressure the the throat or neck. Not only that, but whatever loss of breath you experienced on Abilify wasnt bad enough to stop you from taking Abilify AGAIN.

the law doesnt finesse language. Things need to be clear. Your frantic way of trying to make what you experienced on invega sound worse by using terms like this shows that not only do you know nothing of law, but you also arent very well connected with reality. I really dont appreciate that, because if youre going to speak out against an AP you need to be extemely self-aware of your own mental state or no one will take you seriously.

I say all this
1. Fully agreeing that the invega injections should have never been approved by the FDA
2. Having obtained my paralegal degree (with high honors AFTER invega!)
3. Having worked in a PI attorneys office screening clients & those like you who are either delusional or looking for someone to blame for their life being shit (sometimes, even if someone is to blame, there is no viable suit!)

You need to sleep, lack of sleep will put you at extreme risk for psychosis - try to find a psych you trustwho can help you and consider some AP pills until you stabilize (very easy to recover from). You don't want to end up in hospital and injected again.

Class action suits have to prove harm to the plaintiff and prior knowledge by the defendant.

You have neither of these things.

I was once being strangled(long story) until passing out - and that took long, not nice experience but is nothing compared to daily torture of invega.

 

[Merek]

I was once being strangled(long story) until passing out - and that took long, not nice experience but is nothing compared to daily torture of invega.

Ya I’ve had that happen to me too, but you’re literally fine the day after, with invega you’re suffering for months.

 

[Merek]

do you think 5 months of invaga cause brain damage

It most definitely does even the two loading doses causes brain damage too but the brain damage could be temporary and even if it isn’t it should heal enough to the point where you can live a good quality life again.

 

[Merek]

How long did the invega withdrawal last and what were all your symptoms. How was the anxiety?

I start suffering within 36 hours of my last haloperidol dose

By the time I get to 72 hours I can't handle how intense it is

Our circumstances are very different since you’re on the pills I can’t really relate to you as much, I did take paliparadone pills though 1-1.5months off the injections however I still had a lot of the drug in my system from the injections, I didn’t really feel much wd the first few days I felt some a little bit from days 7-9 but then day 10-11 I felt not as bad, then day 12-28 it got hellish I had unbearable migraines and pretty bad body pain I was bedridden anti psychotic withdrawal honestly felt way worse for me then opiate withdrawal did cause it was so prolonged and I still had crippling anhedonia atleast with opiate withdrawal I could turn on the tv and find some entertainment with anti psychotic withdrawal there was zero joy in life at all it doesn’t last forever though 2.5 weeks later it subsided and it felt better then I ever had in a while by the time I was 2.5 months off the injections and 1 month off the pills.

 

[apsucks]

Awesome....Good news! i'm getting off meds alltogether !...april i will be taking 7.5 mg...half of april 5mg..beginning of may 2.5mg ..1 mg june then i will be completely medication free in august...the psychiatrist agreed with this. The injections will be nullified 6 months off as well 4th half life.

Man i cant wait i didnt want to take the 7.5 and 5mg for such long period but i was like fuckit i'm not going to rock the boat too much...2.5mg is a low dose anyway a dose someone can absolutely recover from injections...then i will be two years off invega

When abilify is completeyl out of my system im curious how invega healing goes

 

[Whathappened123]

The shrink doesn’t want me to quit!!! Now cold turkey is my only option. Help me please!

 

[Merek]

The shrink doesn’t want me to quit!!! Now cold turkey is my only option. Help me please!

Don’t quit meds cold turkey the withdrawals are no joke, cold turkey anti psychotic withdrawal can cause chronic body pain and migraines, severe depression, even more severe psychosis then you have now to the point where you might end up killing yourself or others, panic attacks, insomnia, and lack of motor skills. Your doctor doesn’t want you to quit for a reason it seems like you need to be medicated I wouldn’t recommend you quit either. if you insist on getting off your meds do it like this, lets say you’re taking 15mg haldol everyday, wean down to 10mg and stick to that dose for 1 month then wean down to 5mg and stick to that dose for 1 month, next month do 2.5mg, the month after do 1.25mg then come off completely that way the withdrawals won’t be anywhere near as bad but in your case they still can be so I like I said before I wouldn’t recommend stopping your meds but if you insist that’s the safe way to do it.

 

[CrimsonThornX]

Im just curious, is it more difficult to loose weight and gain muscle mass after being on invega? From what I've heard it seems to be something that most people seem to struggle with. Last time I went I only had a small amount of my usual strength and nearly passed out after doing cardio which has never been a problem before. To this day I'll genuinely never understand how something so devastating, so debilitating was approved as a supposed effective treatment for schizophrenia.

 

[HelpMeInvega]

Im just curious, is it more difficult to loose weight and gain muscle mass after being on invega? From what I've heard it seems to be something that most people seem to struggle with. Last time I went I only had a small amount of my usual strength and nearly passed out after doing cardio which has never been a problem before. To this day I'll genuinely never understand how something so devastating, so debilitating was approved as a supposed effective treatment for schizophrenia.

Yes, it’s way harder to lose weight and gain muscle after being on Invega Sustenna. For me it totally changed my body! I used to be so lean and ripped my entire life and it just totally changed my fat percentage and everything. I can barley lift anymore or do anything for that matter. I still try though but it’s nothing like it used to be.

 

[CrimsonThornX]

Yes, it’s way harder to lose weight and gain muscle after being on Invega Sustenna. For me it totally changed my body! I used to be so lean and ripped my entire life and it just totally changed my fat percentage and everything. I can barley lift anymore or do anything for that matter. I still try though but it’s nothing like it used to be.

Yeah I figured, after years I was finally starting to achieve the appearance I wanted, with a minimal fat percentage and lean muscle mass, just for all that effort to get completely thrown out the window. Now I'm back where I started years ago but even worse. I felt pretty confident about my appearance at the time but now that I gained over 50 pounds in such a short span of time and have somewhat prominent manboobs I feel uncomfortable about showing myself im public, especially to those that saw how different I was just months ago.

 

[CrimsonThornX]

I just barely noticed a new possible symptom yesterday, my vision has considerably worsened in a short span of time and I tend to go crosseyed when I look at something from a distance.

 

[HelpMeInvega]

I just barely noticed a new possible symptom yesterday, my vision has considerably worsened in a short span of time and I tend to go crosseyed when I look at something from a distance.

This happened to my vision as well! I’m surprised this happened to only being on it for such a short period of time. I talk to a lot of people who’ve been on invega Sustenna and for some people it’s just pure toxic me being one of them and by the sounds of it for you as well. Some people can tolerate the drug and get over it quite quickly and for others it ruins things like their body, eyes and basically everything every single thing. Everything you mentioned happened to me I was on it for 17 months! I went from 100lbs to 140lbs fast from antipsychotics and now I’m back down to 110llbs but 110lbs before antipsychotics looked way different then 110lbs after antipsychotics and I think I’m fighting off a really bad case of depression at the moment to be totally honest.

 

[t_xeplionhell]

Don’t quit meds cold turkey the withdrawals are no joke, cold turkey anti psychotic withdrawal can cause chronic body pain and migraines, severe depression, even more severe psychosis then you have now to the point where you might end up killing yourself or others, panic attacks, insomnia, and lack of motor skills. Your doctor doesn’t want you to quit for a reason it seems like you need to be medicated I wouldn’t recommend you quit either. if you insist on getting off your meds do it like this, lets say you’re taking 15mg haldol everyday, wean down to 10mg and stick to that dose for 1 month then wean down to 5mg and stick to that dose for 1 month, next month do 2.5mg, the month after do 1.25mg then come off completely that way the withdrawals won’t be anywhere near as bad but in your case they still can be so I like I said before I wouldn’t recommend stopping your meds but if you insist that’s the safe way to do it.

I would suggest him a therapist and doing proper taper if he wants to go off.

 

[t_xeplionhell]

lol your wrong invega is an irreversible antagonist it locks onto dopamine and serotonin receptors and doesn’t let go

it does irreversable antagonist for only one type of serotonine receptors responsible for mood and memory. And irreversable antagonism is when antagonist does molecular bound with receptor meaning it can not get off the receptor, body must replace the receptor and that takes long, invega is also toxic.

 

[CrimsonThornX]

This happened to my vision as well! I’m surprised this happened to only being on it for such a short period of time. I talk to a lot of people who’ve been on invega Sustenna and for some people it’s just pure toxic me being one of them and by the sounds of it for you as well. Some people can tolerate the drug and get over it quite quickly and for others it ruins things like their body, eyes and basically everything every single thing. Everything you mentioned happened to me I was on it for 17 months! I went from 100lbs to 140lbs fast from antipsychotics and now I’m back down to 110llbs but 110lbs before antipsychotics looked way different then 110lbs after antipsychotics and I think I’m fighting off a really bad case of depression at the moment to be totally honest.

Sorry to hear that, I've been in a severe case of depression as well, which lasts 24/7 as I constantly think about how much better my life would be at the moment had this never occurred, and where I'd be at the moment. I hate it because I never truly felt comfortable and confident with myself as a person until the second half of last year, for basically everything to get ruined by the end of last year. I'd probably be able to overcome it had I not suffered from well over a dozen side effects. I'm sure its possible to recover from it to an extent, but I honestly don't see how I'd return to my completely healthy prior self.