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0.5-1mg of alprazolam is ideal for this purpose imo
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Harm Reduction Which is safer for handling a meth comedown - opiates or benzo's?
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From stim comedown? Would be a waste for me.
Or face-smacked? Can only get it from a seemingly long lasting that has the face smakin experience. lol
Maybe a coupla bars for a start to meth comedown.
Meth just last so fuckin long therein lies the rub. Maybe. IDK
Got some shit that ya pass out with speed still onda table.
Just close the eyes....
Not yet... time for coffee and a bit of brmzlm.
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the very last time i did it, that's what saved me from the torture - 1mg
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From stim comedown? Would be a waste for me.
Or face-smacked? Can only get it from a seemingly long lasting that has the face smakin experience. lol
Maybe a coupla bars for a start to meth comedown.
Meth just last so fuckin long therein lies the rub. Maybe. IDK
Got some shit that ya pass out with speed still onda table.
Just close the eyes....
Not yet... time for coffee and a bit of brmzlm.
Stim and/or psychedelic comedown (although in the latter case I often just let the experience subside naturally)
It's gotta be timed at the right moment though IME...like you should start to feel the tiredness, the feeling of being worn-down etc (i.e. the comedown) before taking the dose, for the coup de grace
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I agree with this comment fully and can back it from experience. Ive went thru H fent and tianeptine wds more times than I could even guess atm, each time I did research on research, always either couldnt do it like the tianeptine withdrawals were 100x worse than the the times I cold turkeyd off fent in jail, or might be had insurance for a detox which they give the right variety of benzos and shit like clonidine and immodium . But on the street was always so hard and one attempt I had planned on using 14 xans my buddy gave me to get thru widthawals at the house . Took 1 , nothing, 3 nothing, I was pissed man cuz I felt an aspect of the withdrawal go away but I still was way too uncomfortable for having taken 8mg alprazolam . I was still in my right mind 100% even after giving them time to take effect so I told my BM and her mom who was there that im gone run get a cpl tall boys to boot up the benzos to hopefully get some sort of relief and be able to sleep maybe an hour. I made it 15-20 min to the store , walked in feeling weird, still feel like my skins tingling with super uncomfortable energy all over but also felt the carefree aspect of the xanax and found myself saying hell yea this may work after all. I mistakenly took a few sips of the alcohol befofe leaving the store. Next thing I know im blacking out for idk 45 seconds to min and half at a time on a long ass road back to my house and would wake up/come to driving in the grass on the OPPOSITE side of the road. Idk how I didnt die man, but thats the story of my life, ive got tons of situations scenarios and circumstances its a miracle I even survived. One time I didnt when I OD'd but got brought back, unexpectedly tho cuz all the EMS done thought I was a goner and I was, 2 nasal narcans, no response weak pulse, was actually getting weaker and not rhythmic, so they cut my sleeve and if i rememebr correctly or maybe i was still out of it but tried liquid narcan and then IV'd me fluids. One girl was bent down holdin my hand i think monitoring vitals about to call it at the next minute marke but while the others started pushing everyone in line out from around me all the sudden i went from not knowing i had ever existed to "wait, damnnn i cant believe that just happened" never OD from any opioid including raw fent name the color I banged a shit load of it until then and it was a white MBox. White had always been bunk, hell not this time lol but im pretty sure it was carfent and tranq cuz another dude died like almost same moment didnt know till yesrs later when they booked my partna w em for the manslaughter smh that life crazy man if you can get off heroin by detox or on your own do it and never tell yaself you beat addiction fully, just best to stay away
Anyways I know this post is old but I just smoked a blunt and get talkative when I smoke lmao but Immodium (loperamide specifically, needs be only active ingredient listed) is a super weak opioid acting drug because it doesnt cross the BBB easily, buy cimetidine (tagament) take first then 30mins later take about 10-20mg of that immodium. It takes a little longer than most substances to start to work but you should notice some withdrawal symptoms ease of a little, some maybe completely idk how your body reacts but definitely will help some. Personally, ive never taken less than 40mg In hopes of and actually helping with wd symptoms to overload the p-glycoprotein alongside have a p glycoprotein inhibitor (cimetidine) already in my system to ensure best chances for most to cross over. But its not safe at these levels its really rough on the heart and even tho like always I didnt have really any issues, I still very occasionally felt the heart flutter and felt the strain on it. So every other thing ive read says 4-8mg of lope works when combined with cimetidine to ease withdrawal, so start safe for sure hell it prob will help you withdrawals. Opioid wds for me have just always been more profound than in others cuz the way opioids work just fit perfect with what I was lacking since birth, which led to addiction cuz is not sustainable . Also if you do take any benzo with it chlordiazepoxide works the best out of any benzo, still a benzo just has a way of reacting that works better its what they use in hospital detox settting alongside some small dose ativan/lorazepam and one detox they gave me IV phenobarb with pill ativan and clonidine . Blew thru that week like it was nothing just to realize one the ativan script was up and was sober that I was not ready at all lmao instantly relapsed which has been quite a few times, knowing, planning, but lying to everyone even myself its wild. So honestly bro if you go thru this again id say do the loperamide like start off at the most you gone take at once, then decrease dose by 2mg daily or every other day till not at all. Lope is also super nasty to come off of believe it or not people have gotten addicted to it, many who do dont make it cuz of the heart stuff paired with the withdrawal. So dont take longer than like 6 maybe 5 consecutive days in a row of it in higher than normal doses, jsut to be safe its what i read years ago and what I did and worked. Nothing thats gone truly benefit and help you you , you as in past present AND future you is gone take the fucked up uncomfortable withdrawal away compeltely , or else you wouldn't grow we learn from experience which comes from bad and good shit both but id argue going thru the negatives, trials and tribulations for us or society as a whole is more important fr . Valuable ass lessons learned even if it dont click until some time later. I rememebr rolling around in a turtle suit in jail while its freezing in there balls on the cold floor while im I full blown opioid withdrawal and havent slept for bout 4 5 days and wont see any real sleep besides the 30 minute max I may get once hitting another point of exhaustion. You'd think id get out and never touch shit especially opioids my weakness ever again, and idk why but of course it didnt quite resonate in that moment. Well I do know why, cuz after going thru that cold turkey 3 times in jail, the last time being sent off to my 5th rehab, the negatives piled up enough along with reality of life to where I lost all self ego, self pride, and lost judgement for anything or anyone besides myself because I had been low beffoe but this was a different low, this was just through consequence accepting that man I do got a problem and its me, and its huge, and I realized a shit ton a anout why I do what I do , and like i know why I did the drugs In the first place and then craved it always, I had been so lost and felt alone in my head since I was like 3yo, bad social anxiety, nervous, shyness, confidence, I dont fucking know why but thats what I was given I stg. So I found the drug, it helped and it showed when I took it and went to school, I could suddenly talk to people instead of not at all, I could actually understand wtf the teacher was talkin about in math and be interested in it, actual interest. So I kept on taking tabs and percs every single day from 10th grade till graduated, CWE on 20 10mg/325 every night then drink it in the morning then pop maybe 3-7 more during the day and about 2 or 3 days I was taking 140mg of vyvanse in morning trading dip for it with a kid at school, and blackout off of xans like almost all week every week all of 10th and partially 11th. I could hold my drugs better than anyone within 500 miles because they synergized with shit I already lacked, and dont remmebr having much if any withdrawals when I began only able to get like a couple roxis a month instead of 30. No withdrawl , my first noticeable withdrawal was when I stopped the xans everyday cuz I was able to keep getting them. I remmeebr when I stopped them it was strictly mental, had never had the thought of not wanting to be alive anymore not even in a suicidal way just forgetting what it feels like, just bleh and doen witn everything for no reason, thats how I felt for bout 3 days but didnt ever grt intense but for about 2 hours. Next stop was tianeptine, didnt know it didnt realize it this new gas station dope was gone feel better than any opioid I had done previously and I didnt even have no knowledge of it. So of course curiosity got me cuz I was like damn I shoukda knows bout this chem I resesrch eveurhing. Took 2, got sick and crosseyed like I had taken 6 percs without any tolerance. Had to go lay down to not throw up, took one next morning it felt like it was itching at being truly somin good, but it has a compounding effect where the feeling actuslly got better with the higher I had to dose and it integrating with my system, I mean it felt like nothing I had ever felt before and I had survey and fent iv before rhis, which was amazing, but didnt seem as heavy on the body effects as this did. Boom in 6 months im having to take 60 a day to make it, but to make it thru workday and also sleep normal at night I really needed bout 75-80. Worst withdrawals ive ever experienced, I would've died if my girl hadn't broke down and got 4 bottles for me 7 hoirs later while.im.outside flapping around uncontrollably witn that terribly energy feeling that's just there always never letting up, organs felt like they were each being twisted and wrong out like a wet rag. Spewing out both ends and hallucinating man It was unbearable I swear, luckily my girl thiught ahead and moved my guns lol and I couldnt do shit but crawl anyway and couldmt do that without leaving a trail of puke and runny shit smh . Whole body cramps too and I mean FULL body, I move my pointer finger about 2 seconds later a cramp would start there and just travel through my body shit was ridiculous never felt nothing like this level of torture in my life and ive been tbru many I cant even mention cuz I already been typing for too long lmao. Im sober (besides weed) and havent taken an opioid at all in 8 months, which is the longest ive been without any since I was 14 and im 26 now. So forgive me most everyone I know i swear is either dead, from OD or gun violence or they or in jail from same shit drugs or gun violence. So its like I realize all this shit about things but now I have nobody to fucking talk to about any of it. Besides tryna help on forums and online thats it. In real life, I got one day 1 still standing and thats cuz he may have taken the pills I gave him back in school, but it wasnt for him and he realized the issue it was ahead of time I reckon, so he never had an issue but dont talk like we did. Don't judge me too much for the length lol but what im saying is feel the shitty and embrace the shitty, maybe use a cpl lopermide like mentioned cuz it helps definitely. Also walk in clinics will prescribe you clonidine, just walk in and tell them you goin thru wds, but dont expect subs or methadone cuz not just any doctor is MAT certified especially at a walk in lol but I was on suboxone 3 a day to get off them tias and it turned out to just be a placeholder till I got ahold of a fent 30 then that began . So loperamide, cimetidine taken 30 min before the lope, then if need hit up a walk in for clonidine, the high blood pressure that CNS depressent withdrawal causes is also a cause for some uncomfortable symptons so clonidine works pretty well for stuff like hydro oxy and heroin. And benzos will help for sure, chlordiaz works amazing, Ativan right behind it just not as efficient, and xans its do somin idk if I call it help I mean it does but like dude said, dont do anything stupid, trouble is you may take too many wanting to hurry up and stop how you feel and not even know it yet lol. Xans I just found harder to find that sweet spot in dosage cuz of its strength. If you plan on using all 3 then lower your amounts you were gone take of each considerably, cuz lope with clonidine AND a benzo gone drop your blood pressure way too much and youll be dizzy and hard to stay conscious at times especially if you hop in a hot shower or bath while on all 3 cuz we all.know hot baths work wonders for opioid relief for the moment and a minute or 2 after getting out lol. I speak from experience its happened to me before, was fine felt better maybe a little out of it of course, got in hot shower and BAM dropped like a sack of potatoes, soon as I dropped I came to but I needed that hot shower to dull the evervescant uncomfortable energy feeling so I stood up and held onto them handles they got in hospital bathrooms long enough to get some relief lol. I dont suggest medical detox where you dont feel any withdrawals bevause of meds like phenobard combined with multiple benzos among other things. It takes away from the lesson to be learned idc if it's the 10th time cuz I been to multiple paid or insurance detoxds like that, not one sat on my mind whatsoever besides it was the only times ive ever gotten phenobarb and its ability to set you care free but still able to function with normal drive and motivation instead of a cumbersome one so im glad they switched to benzos from barbs cuz hell I may wouldve struggle with that too lol. Again I apologize. These days Im socially awkward just been so long since had regular day to day face to face interaction with people and when I smoke weed now it makes me feel like I gotta tell everyone everything because if accumulated all.this shit by my lonely for the past 10 years smh . Hope the realness if this hits I still struggle myself, not so much opioids anymore thank god but I tend to substitute soemthing else for it occasionally, only when that time comes where I would normally get a pill or point and then spiral from there, which still dont make it good I know but right now im surving better than I was less than a year ago and im not spiraling at all or even getting close. No real explanation for why the sudden loss of taste because it wasnt exactly on purpose, went thru wds in jail for the 3rd time and noticed I didnt have using dreams when stopping. Thats extremely rare for me cuz normally im hunting the drug down in my post withdrawal sleep. Then 3 months later released to the 5th rehab, seen all the grown men there most not realizing the gravity of their situation and judging others mistskes but something changed and was different in the way I perceived life, and things, people themselves, individually and as a group, its like everything just kind of clicked. I think I lost the taste and random thoughts and stuff for the opioids because the hell they have drug me through, myself Ill never be the same again and nobody could be in those situations, pile these situations up enough and I think my brain just severed that emotional tie. I never thought thrred be a day that id choose anything even water over an opioid first but here it is. Beneath that is still the you, the internal issue tho and I still have mental shit so substance use is still an issue and I know always will be. I could easily become an alcohol so I never drink more than one or 2 days and always have accountability people around you, my mom and my buddy, they know to say something if they think drinking or anyhting at all has became an issue. But I dont drink but maybe one or two days out the month. I smoke weed everyday tho. I had a really really bad "trip" really was just insanity I was battlin after smoking alpha-pvp the first time, I continued to smoke it just more careful but that first time changed me, I was one thread away from losing all humanity and being a vegetable forever I swear to god. I was like interdimension but not in a lsd type good way this was bad, very bad, it has the ability to sever every tie to reality forever unlike lsd and I felt so sick internally and externally, during it I was trapped internal I couldnt see anything around me the world was just gone, wasnt nothing to even make sense of shit just doing what it does at the speed of light but I could differentiate changes in it so best way I can describe it as take everything thats not of human awareness or origin , which i can only describe them as images but they werent pictures its hard to explain because its unfathomable, I describe it as pictures cuz I know and expefiences how everything went down, and it was sort of an "image" but unlike anything we would recognize, shapes lines colors whatever man all that you can imagine and then everything you cant image is what I was being pushed at lightspeed through, like I assume thats how it would feel for a human to travel at the speed of light without being protected in something like a ship than could hold its own environment. But if you were to step out that ship this is what I could only imagine it remotely feel like. Soemthing in me that wasnt even me just something that kept fighting to keep its spot it seemed like, which is me and how my brain and body is made and i think possibly positive energy i possess regardlsss of my issues give my encompassing energy the ability or reason to step in ways more times than normal idk but im glad about that now, I seen and know too many people who have compeltely lost their minds as well from a hot shot or a hot stick of show but really its k2 with alpha pvp melted on top. I took ONE hit my first time, not even a full hit not even a half a hit just a "testing" come up is fast as fuck, feels exactly like weed for first 10 seconds then the negative effects weed can sometimes cause like paranoia and hightened senses kick in then you throw up and then soon as the throw up leaves your mouth your already being ushered, against your Will into insanity and everything you once knew about anything, even who you are and your name or what shape your body was or if you even ever had a body just fizzled out and thats what I think always traveling between all those infinite dimensions or whatever they were idk nothing was similar to the next but you also couldmt describe the last, like atleast 10 ceilings of dimensions or realities your a part of and traveling through every like millisecond, but still being connected to the brain even if at that point its just because all your other bodies systems are still running fine makes it so sickening cuz I mean I know I was trippin, but no human should ever have to face that while still being stuck in the body its torture especially if its forver ? 10 minutes felt like years man i swear all sense of time just gone. But maybe for actually insane folks , I mean non verbal just blank vegetables experience it long enough to find a way to transition. Idk but if not and folks who are being kept alive by life support, if thats what they are going thru the whole time don't ever put me on life support pull.the plug please if theirs no chance of recovering. That would be like keeping them in an actual hell and nobody even know it and sad thing is they wouldnt even know it either they'd just be confused and suffer a feeling of overload and doom for eternity. Imagine. Anyway I was only trying to say weed seems more potent to me now after that experience or maybe cause its the only thing I do now idk but I didnt mean to type so much and this is an example of why socializing is important lmao I just havent been able, I got out of the last rehab 8 months ago and realized I had maybe 1 person I could even contact and socialize with. A month later 1 of the 2 dudes I got insanely close with cuz they were real humans like me passed away from an OD. The 2nd of the 2 I had planned to keep contact with ended up getting kicked out and doing 20 year bid but atleast hes alive but the other friend dying fucked me up, ive had 3 close friends including him pass from OD, 2 more from gun violence that of course involved drugs. I EOS'd my sentence and left them 2 there when they were both telling me they dont think they gone be able finish program if I leave, the one that OD'd i recall being more adamant about it and he cried when my mom picked me up on my EOS date. I dont put much stock in myself, I say things and if it helps great if it doesn't aye its whatever dont make me mad we all different, but this is one of the times I shouldve put all selfishness away and stayed to make sure I held my bros up, instead I kinda feel like he was trying to tell me that the energy i had was comforting and real and the only thing getting him thru at that point in time, and then I selfishly didnt even think of the possibility that me leaving impacted the energy there and they both actsully leave and that happen. It sucks man there's many things I regret and still unsure of how to deal with personally, another big one i was ina detox when my dad passed away. I truly dont know if ill ever be able to forgive myself, been 3 years ago now and i still.block it out effortlessly even while talking about it. Drugs ruined my life in more ways than you can count, but it also made me the person I am with the perspectives I have thst not everyone unlocks. Realest people ive ever known are addicts. So even tho im hesitant on posting this long ass comment, im still gone do it cause I may have said a whole lot of nothing to many but as long as something resonates with someone thats all that matters. At some point you embrace the suck and keep on sucking and never recover or at some point you embrace the suck which gives you incredible insight on your journey, dont mean shit gone be easy, but means you dont gotta be another statistic of drug abuse. Hope you're still clean to this day that would be amazing, but if your not its not judgement here just remember bro go easy on yourself idc if everyone youve ever known is labeling you something, a slip dont mean you got to fall all the way, I used to be BAD at that, like well too late now guess I am a piece of shit like they say huh? But that either leads to death or prison or back to a rehab or jail or hospital visit for another go at it. Ive done bad things deep in addiction, I hate i did them but at the time it wasnt me acting on my whole body screaming for some more and tricking my brain to thinking It would be justified to even kill someone if i had to if it got bad enough and it was either kill myself or possibly someone else trying to gdt some funds . But I know thats not ME. I stole and shit but only when the drug took over addiction is only disease that makes you believe that you dont have a disease, nothing seems insane during but talking anout those things later it sounds fucking insane and is why I never speak to nobody cuz I have nobody to speak to that if the discussion came up would understsnd any of it at all, only 1 friend I got left he never had an issue w drugs smokes weed thats it and we day 1s, but when we sitting smoking and I start talking about these things if I try to explain past a certain level even they wont know how to respond, cuz they cant relate at all or experiences as much shit of the sort to be able to accurately relate and to them it probably sounds insane. Hell.maybe I am
notsmokeymcpot42088
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benzos are safer as there is practically no risk of overdose on benzos not mixed with other CNS depressants. Except Nitrazepam (IF i recall aside, I guess you can overdose on that)
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Both lol
Diazepam 10mg X 3-6 tablets spaced out as needed
Alprazolam 1mg scored ...half or whole as needed
Oxycodone IR 5mg X 2-3 as needed
Pregabalin 150mg optional add on
Clonidine 0.1mg scored tablets ....even half would suffice prior to bed
Anti psychotic meds if suffering sever Meth induced psychosis
Top 3 on list would be MY go to......fast onset and significant anxiolytic & muscle relaxation and sedative relaxation
Diazepam 10mg X 3-6 tablets spaced out as needed
Alprazolam 1mg scored ...half or whole as needed
Oxycodone IR 5mg X 2-3 as needed
Pregabalin 150mg optional add on
Clonidine 0.1mg scored tablets ....even half would suffice prior to bed
Anti psychotic meds if suffering sever Meth induced psychosis
Top 3 on list would be MY go to......fast onset and significant anxiolytic & muscle relaxation and sedative relaxation
OpiateConnoisseur, that comment of your is truly a "wall of text". It's 4,463 words (i pasted it into a Word doc out of curiosity) without a single paragraph break.
I haven't actually read it but thought it was worth commenting on for its sheer spectacle.
I haven't actually read it but thought it was worth commenting on for its sheer spectacle.
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Definitely Benzos if you’re capable of not using heroin and aren’t full blown addicted to that just for the come down effects. Tylenol pm and a Xanax bar or two depending on you and your tolerance will kill that panic and anxiety much safer than heroin
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benzos are gunna be safer -- but do your own research.
reasoning -- they are made to lower your heart rate and you cannot OD on them for the most part (Dont push it idk if meth changes the #'s)
reasoning -- they are made to lower your heart rate and you cannot OD on them for the most part (Dont push it idk if meth changes the #'s)
I’ve overdosed strictly on alprazolam back in the dark web days when SWIM was grabbing kilos and pressing 6mg bars, but I wasn’t taking those I was capping up god only knows how many mg (a brick is half a million bars) and eating almost full capsules. That ended in a 5 minute grand mal seizure but prior to that I was found unresponsive multiple places and narcanned to no effect (obv)
Also been addicted to IV boy after the pills got expensive, then fent when they started cutting the boy until I was only asking for fent, cuz NOTHING else works. Was on IV and smoking ice as well who knows how many times a day. 10? 50? All depended on the money in my pocket and even tho SWIM sold a lot of everything, an addict that gets 100 a day has 100 a day habit. Then that won’t be enough. Same with someone making a thousand a day. Eventually that’s not enough. It gets scary and i pray everyone puts it down