What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[BK38]

Im sure it's definitely possible...I wouldn't be polluting my lsd with cocaine though personally, just doesn;t chime for me vibewise, but to each their own as ever

mdma plus coke though, just that combo especially when kinda partying simultaneously, most definitely better avoided as the coke just kills the roll..just no synergy chemically (or vibrationally again, imo/imo )...it's clear

now, if you were on the tail end of some mdma a line or two cocaine might be just the ticket....it's a young man's game though, that

Makes sense

 

[JackARoe]

Is there one word to describe what is wrong with the MDMA today? Seems it is all over the place, from synths to tolerance to fakes.

 

[Delmonte421]

recrystallizing your product with the correct semi-solvent is expensive and the correct solvent to reach high purity for large scale operations is expensive. Re-X is undergrad chemistry and the amateur enthusiast could pick it up with a couple practice runs. Doing this on a large scale production where your gonna lose 20+% of your product/profit margin it makes no since to spend the money on the HPLC grade solvents to do the re-X correctly with pure sigma Aldrich products. Now if there was a crowd that cared if the purity of there shit went from lets say 75-95 then we would be living in a different society, how many people go to Taco Bell, they cant call there meat beef cause it does not contain enough to make it able to be called beef, at least here in the USA.

Funny story, McDonalds advertises that there burgers are 100% beef..... guess what,... THERE NOT THE COMPANY NAME IS "100% BEEF" these games of word play etc are the thoughts of money making business people who could care less about the end user but about there the next yacht. More power to them, there chasing I dream , I like drugs so I chase that. What I will end my rant on is that as a chemist and knowing other high level research chemist, they would NEVER risk there careers making MDMA and any chemist that would is most likely only in it for the money. SORRY

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Funny story, McDonalds advertises that there burgers are 100% beef..... guess what,... THERE NOT THE COMPANY NAME IS "100% BEEF" these games of word play etc are the thoughts of money making business people who could care less about the end user but about there the next yacht. More power to them, there chasing I dream , I like drugs so I chase that. What I will end my rant on is that as a chemist and knowing other high level research chemist, they would NEVER risk there careers making MDMA and any chemist that would is most likely only in it for the money. SORRY

You're a chemist but you can't spell 'their'?

Not buying your shit mate...

 

[Jabberwocky]

recrystallizing your product with the correct semi-solvent is expensive and the correct solvent to reach high purity for large scale operations is expensive. Re-X is undergrad chemistry and the amateur enthusiast could pick it up with a couple practice runs. Doing this on a large scale production where your gonna lose 20+% of your product/profit margin it makes no since to spend the money on the HPLC grade solvents to do the re-X correctly with pure sigma Aldrich products. Now if there was a crowd that cared if the purity of there shit went from lets say 75-95 then we would be living in a different society, how many people go to Taco Bell, they cant call there meat beef cause it does not contain enough to make it able to be called beef, at least here in the USA.

Funny story, McDonalds advertises that there burgers are 100% beef..... guess what,... THERE NOT THE COMPANY NAME IS "100% BEEF" these games of word play etc are the thoughts of money making business people who could care less about the end user but about there the next yacht. More power to them, there chasing I dream , I like drugs so I chase that. What I will end my rant on is that as a chemist and knowing other high level research chemist, they would NEVER risk there careers making MDMA and any chemist that would is most likely only in it for the money. SORRY

Maybe they're a self-taught chemist that just takes pride in their craft.

@F.U.B.A.R. - SEE WHAT I DID THERE!

And it's a hat trick!

 

[AutoTripper]

Everything in moderation, including moderation- Oscar Wilde

Mate if I was on exstacy and ketamine trust me last thing on my mind is the bloody Mods again, lol

 

[AutoTripper]

Yes, depending on quantity, if used together responsibly should result in the best possible time. Say you took 100mg mdma and some 100ug LSD, 20mg cocaine, 30mg ketamine. You’d likely be safe and having a ball.

Cocaine can compliment exstacy yes IME but only by taking a rear seat. It levels head up so can fuel a longer session but I guess redosing exstacy is key too, unlike feeling a buzz kill after one dose say.

Overdone and it inteferes with the transcendental also empathanogenic aspects. You feel less like kissing, more like killing lol.


Jk. But cocaine or moreso strong crack cocaine, is actually what should be offered at hospital for acid OD freakouts.

Lol, every crackhead in town will be taking as much acid as they can, really wankering themselves up for an extra hit.

I suppose it's precisely for that reason alone, that the N.H.S. here never adopted this treatment.

Because I've seen it with amazement. One big hit of top q crack, fully nullifies the LSD man was on.

They are really opposites. People think benzos are a trip aborter. Not ever for me. I stay "conscious" on benzos, not just awake. My mind runs, really never seemed to weaken my trips just adds by relaxing, freeing mind from all subconscious and fear based thought ironically peemitting a kind of clarity.

While crack given on acid is like waking from sleep to sound of an alarm and sitting up in bed.

Crack diminishes MDMA much more irrecoverably than cocaine does too.

I doubt crack cocaine + exstacy are DOC combos v often, while coke & E's as common nearly as alcohol possibly.

 

[AutoTripper]

You're a chemist but you can't spell 'their'?

Not buying your shit mate...

I mispell accidentally or thing slyes it without me clocking

So I can always look past thar.

But I think I generally actually say something. And it's clear enough. Not like a vague view of a distant shop window.

Because I was looking for the "beef" in it, yet I'm not sure there was by the end.

 

[unodelacosa]

But if you purify mehDMA up to pharmaceutical purity (wash it good, and recrystallise it few times in different solvents)

Sorry, I know I'm nitpicking a bit here with this, but… this is not pharmaceutical-grade purity. Quoting Palmetto:

> "A pharmaceutical grade product is a substance that the FDA has approved for human or animal consumption that meets stringent purity standards. The FDA’s Office of Pharmaceutical Quality is the office that labels drugs as pharmaceutical or non-pharmaceutical grade. The OPQ’s goal is to boost pharmaceutical quality globally to ensure everyone has the best version of a drug. They do so by putting all drugs through rigorous testing and inspections to ensure they meet the FDA’s high standards."​

Beyond the FDA approval part and looking past multi-phase animal and human trials, you need analytics of course, and I believe you would need to do some purification techniques beyond just acetone rinses and two-solvent recrystallizations. Chromatography comes to mind.

Or they're using some kind of wackadoodle weird synthesis of completely unwatched chemicals that uses an asymmetric, ligand or catalyst.

+1 for using the word "wackadoodle"

Powdery crystal and rock crystal MDMA are going to be a 50/50 racemic mix unless somebody decided to make a single and enantiomer or purify it using tartaric acid.

Bonding MDMA to an acid to form a salt crystal is not relevant here, nor is the kind of crystal (e.g.: "powdery crystal and rock crystal"). We should probably be saying MDMA hydrochloride but it gets tedious, even abbreviated as "MDMA.HCl". The drug oil in its basic form will be racemic if that's what the reduction from the ketone produces, of course. I know you know this, I'm just pointing it out.

Also through isomeric/enantiomeric shielding, stereoselective results can be achieved. Beyond the synthetic route chosen, tartaric acid is not the only route for resolving stereoisomers. That's just one tedious method among several viable-but-equally-tedious routes.

Again, these are just little points; I'm not disagreeing with you at all, especially insofar as to say most MDMA syntheses produce a racemic drug unless one employs stereospecific methodologies or resolves stereoisomers via one of several ways.

 

[unodelacosa]

If I were a cop, I'd come down hard on those idiots as well. Glowsticks are probably just about acceptable, but pacifiers, angel wings and gas masks? Just NO!

Lol, I hear you, but I really didn't mind the enthusiasm. I mean, the girl wearing the wings is oftentimes smoking hot. In fact ravers are typically, shall we say, easy-on-the-eyes, in my experience. And but so a rave is kinda like a costume party, though as the years went by, candy kids started to be given a ton of shit for all their insufferable PLUR-tastic ways, overly hopeful hippie talk, and the fact that they drew the ire of law enforcement.

The arrests made during those raids were likely violations of the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable search and seizure under the Bill of Rights in the U.S. btw.

This guy don't need that shit...

Shiiiiit. That guy invented that shit.

I still can't understand why ketamine is considered a 'club drug'. Its probably the last thing I would consider taking in a social situation. It's a fuckin anaesthetic...

So the trick is to do only key bumps of K when you're still at the club, festival, rave, or whatever. During an MDMA roll, it's like hitting the nitro booster. I'll blow up for about 30 min. Later, at the afterparty, is when to k-hole while you sit somewhere safe with people you know. I'd put on videos of old cartoons or skateboarding thrasher videos w/the volume off and drum'n'bass playing on the stereo. It's cool to watch the music and video sync up automatically somehow.

But otherwise, yeah I used to think the same thing re: K in a social setting. What's more, not all dissociates are anti-social, nor do you have to go deep into a k-hole, where, I agree it's better to be home alone or with a trip sitter. But that's just one way of enjoying that drug.

I was in my late 20s. When I would roll, all of a sudden I had to take care of everybody. If there was a teenager in a k-hole I would clean off the vomit, sit them up and find their friends.

Sounds like a shitty experience. Again – that's a shame. When used properly, dissos can be phenomenal ranging from a pleasant mental foray and an MDMA booster to an exploration of one's innerspace and achieving spiritual revelation and/or astral projection. I'm not saying it's for everyone, but I'd hate to think you're missing out on something you would otherwise find enriching had it not been for the negative impression it left you with on account of irresponsible friends/teenagers. Wait, why were you hanging out with teenagers? No wonder you had a bad time, lol. Teenagers are… well, teenagers.

I do not like being dissociated. Not being able to do normal things and not understanding why you can't figure it out is not something I find enjoyable.

This is not the default and these results are not a given universal experience. I'd say you might not be familiar enough with K to draw that conclusion so abruptly. (Notice I'm saying maybe – I've met others who don't seem to take to dissos no matter what, but I've also helped maybe a half dozen friends or so discover the when, where, and how much tricks to having a kickass K experience. I would encourage you to consider trying it again with experienced heads.

 

[AutoTripper]

Is there one word to describe what is wrong with the MDMA today? Seems it is all over the place, from synths to tolerance to fakes.

Something?? Possibly maybe and depending where you score.

Been too while man real hope you're okay et al. So soz too never resumed w you. Reasons but not lack of interest will or care.

Darkness living though. Amazing too, otherwise.


I can definitely accept certain people, circles may/do still source real product I mean must be ways for small clandestines still, going no least in part here to @unodelacosa 's own strong insistence HE gets it, i know he's no....mindless amoeba for one (my new funner term for a modern Lemming of our masses lol, and deliberate understatement too irt yourself)

Plus think may have used pre 95 exstacy too possibky 90's


Plus others. G_chem indigo F.U.B.A.R. etc,
But regardless no smoke without fire and this particular smoke here too is what caught my attention encouraged me here in some puzzle and curiosity.

 

[unodelacosa]

I can actually go to sleep on acid, MDA, MDMA while I'm rolling and then wake up depending on how much I've taken. Still rolling or tripping.

I guess I really am a freak of nature.

I find these drugs are exhausting, especially afterward. I don't think sleeping whilst tripping is as uncommon as you might think. I've done it countless times, personally and know others who do the same.

If I get bored with the experience of a particular substance like if i'm tripping or mushrooms or whatever, I'll just go to sleep. Freaks people the fuck out.

Lol. I know what you mean. I get that it's unusual to some ppl who have a hard time picturing themselves being able to do this, what with psychedelics generally being adrenergic among other things. However, if you've done drugs long enough and have become used to their patterns, as I'm sure you have, this kind of behavior isn't unusual, to me anyway. What's more, I often find myself with quite an appetite during the middle of tripping and/or rolling sometimes. I'll eat something not unsubstantial while on drugs, in particular 2C-B and whenever a benzodiazepine gets involved.

 

[unodelacosa]

Is there one word to describe what is wrong with the MDMA today? Seems it is all over the place, from synths to tolerance to fakes.

How about "unregulated"? I think a close second might be "misunderstood".

In my opinion, I think the truth is: there are many reasons why people incorrectly assume something is "wrong with MDMA today". Subjective experiences can be interpreted incorrectly. History attests to this. The more important question to establish first might be: are we even sure we're discussing only MDMA? (We're not). Chemically speaking, MDMA will always just be MDMA and there is nothing different about it from years past. That's like asking, "What's wrong with the aspirin these days?" Nothing. If something were different, it would no longer be only aspirin we're discussing, would it?

Same thing here: the MDMA experience differs quite a bit, interpersonally, but if discussing the pure chemical, dl-MDMA.HCl, then, by definition, absolutely nothing has changed. And anyway, why am I bothering typing all this, making my points over and over when everyone already has their minds made up as to what they believe? On reflection, I'm probably just as guilty of being stubborn in this manner, though I strive not to be so. C'est la vie.

 

[JackARoe]

Hey AT and Uno, thanks for the response. Makes sense. I read this whole thread with interest. Good thoughtful responses and just the right amount of tension.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

How about "unregulated"? I think a close second might be "misunderstood".

In my opinion, I think the truth is: there are many reasons why people incorrectly assume something is "wrong with MDMA today". Subjective experiences can be interpreted incorrectly. History attests to this. The more important question to establish first might be: are we even sure everyone is talking about exclusively just MDMA? (We're not). Because, in theory, MDMA will always just be MDMA and there is nothing different about it from year's past. That's like asking, "What's wrong with the aspirin these days?" Nothing. If something were different, it would no longer be only aspirin we're discussing, would it?

Same thing here: the MDMA experience differs quite a bit, interpersonally, but if discussing the pure chemical, dl-MDMA.HCl, then, by definition, absolutely nothing has changed. And anyway, why am I bothering typing all this, making my points over and over when everyone already has their minds made up as to what they believe? On reflection, I'm probably just as guilty of being stubborn in this manner, though I strive not to be so. C'est la vie.

I don't have any strong feelings about all this, and frankly don't care as much. But there's a world of difference between the meh and the real, I had both on the same night recently ('meh' first, other 4-5 hours later) and I could tell right away. It's been like that many times.
I'd definitely say that there's strong variance in rolls and that tolerance plays a huge part, but the mdma that everyone's talking about here is really levels beyond in bad. Unmistakable.

 

[JackARoe]

I don't have any strong feelings about all this, and frankly don't care as much. But there's a world of difference between the meh and the real, I had both on the same night recently ('meh' first, other 4-5 hours later) and I could tell right away. It's been like that many times.
I'd definitely say that there's strong variance in rolls and that tolerance plays a huge part, but the mdma that everyone's talking about here is really levels beyond in bad. Unmistakable.

Thanks Buzz. I think the definitive answers before yours as well as your response on two different MDMA's will kick this thread to another 20 -pages. lol

Interesting. That implies a different synth or a different result that can be evaluated the same each time. Or a different impurity, or a different chem even.

Yeah I see why this thread is so long. I will keep reading.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I find these drugs are exhausting, especially afterward. I don't think sleeping whilst tripping is as uncommon as you might think. I've done it countless times, personally and know others who do the same.


Lol. I know what you mean. I get that it's unusual to some ppl who have a hard time picturing themselves being able to do this, what with psychedelics generally being adrenergic among other things. However, if you've done drugs long enough and have become used to their patterns, as I'm sure you have, this kind of behavior isn't unusual, to me anyway. What's more, I often find myself with quite an appetite during the middle of tripping and/or rolling sometimes. I'll eat something not unsubstantial while on drugs, in particular 2C-B and whenever a benzodiazepine gets involved.

I agree with everything you've said.

The "freak of nature" thing is because I used to fall asleep, rolling and tripping when I first started doing drugs when I was like 18 years old.

There's something different about me.

Literally I just got a decent three or four hours off of like 25 mg of sass.

I mean it was either sass or 5-APB or 6-APB.

Purple – black on Marquis, greenish blue black on Froehde, and no reaction on Simon's.

Based on bunk police and dance safe, it's either MDA or 5-APB or 6-APB.

So yeah I still got the magic.

And I rolled two days last week, and I just finished up rolling 2 days this week.

And there are still two days left this weekend.

Yay Me!

 

[Rectify]

You couldn't roll every day of the week on MDMA even in the 1990s, especially off 25 or 30 mg. A 3 day break was required even then. Drug Effects Diminished Over Time: MDMA, cocaine, and LSD. They were great while they lasted, but the people here today don't care really, and these drugs feel nothing as immense and euphoric as what they used to feel like. Just as well, I guess. It must be God's will for us to avoid these peak drug experiences for now, seeing as how he runs the Simulation. The 1990s were a wild time. This is a peaceful place anyway. I am not saying that you didn't roll, just that it wasn't sass MDMA. Most very likely a new drug with the 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl bridge.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You couldn't roll every day of the week on MDMA even in the 1990s, especially off 25 or 30 mg. A 3 day break was required even then. Drug Effects Diminished Over Time: MDMA, cocaine, and LSD. They were great while they lasted, but the people here today don't care really, and these drugs feel nothing as immense and euphoric as what they used to feel like. Just as well, I guess. It must be God's will for us to avoid these peak drug experiences for now, seeing as how he runs the Simulation. The 1990s were a wild time. This is a peaceful place anyway. I am not saying that you didn't roll, just that it wasn't sass MDMA. Most very likely a new drug with the 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl bridge.

I never said every day of the week. I said 2 yeah, 3 or 4 days a week, every week.

The sass I'm talking about was last week.

It was usually a 6 or 7 day break in between.

And MDA is not cross tolerant with MDMA. You can roll three days in a row and then take sass and you roll fine.

 

[new2drugs]

hmmm you sure? mdma and coke is well known as a fucking terrible mix, and rightly so

What happens if you do those two?