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A close call

paranoid android said:
The paramedics told them what meds im on just not that i shot up because they didnt consider it medically relevant
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They also failed to tell them you had just had a psychotic episode, which definitely is.

Either way I hope you don't have to go through anything like this again, sounds like a pretty shitty night out.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
They also failed to tell them you had just had a psychotic episode, which definitely is.

Either way I hope you don't have to go through anything like this again, sounds like a pretty shitty night out.
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I was not psychotic when they showed up because as i said i had taken cloaz. I thought i was clear on that.
 
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I am glad that you are privileged enough to live in a country in which paramedics do not have to weigh the possibility of a substance user facing extreme prejudice (and even criminal charges in the US, as police can and will abuse loopholes in the Good Samaritan Laws there) against the fact that the details of their substance use may not be important in some situations (Such as this one, as OP's physical health was not at risk.)

Many of our users are not so lucky.

Again, the Lounge is that way.
Your abrasive and petty argumentative behaviour is neither welcome nor entertaining here.
 
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It’s not supposed to be entertaining. Tds isn’t a place for entertainment. You’ve noticed that you’re being just as argumentative right? Of course you haven’t, you’re totally lacking in self awareness.

As I have said multiple times this situation was much bigger than just the drug use. Failure to communicate the reality of a psychotic episode to medical staff caring for a patient is never a good thing and has got nothing to do with keeping anybody safe in any way. The US is not Saudi Arabia anyway and where I live is totally irrelevant. Grow up.
 
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Please respect other users. It can be difficult to do, as most of us have substance/mental health issues, but we are all friends here. The world can be aggressive. We don't need to be that way here.

I'm sorry for your experience. It's hard to see eye-to-eye with others unless one has experienced this kind of thing. That isn't an excuse, though, more a call for greater empathy.

How are you doing currently?
 
AlphaMethylPhenyl said:
Please respect other users. It can be difficult to do, as most of us have substance/mental health issues, but we are all friends here. The world can be aggressive. We don't need to be that way here.

I'm sorry for your experience. It's hard to see eye-to-eye with others unless one has experienced this kind of thing. That isn't an excuse, though, more a call for greater empathy.

How are you doing currently?
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Since i am on zyprexa i am doing pretty good just really anxious and scared that i am going to get fucked over again. I am not scared of the cops showing up anymore because those guys where pretty good but i am scared of being commited still because the people who work in psych wards are fucking sadists. Even the goddamn pigs couldnt believe i was thrown in solitary with no food or water because they have to give you that in jail. The pigs even said that it was fucked up and those guys that did that should be in prison themselves
 
No nation has a system of emergency services that recognise or deal with those with mental health issues who also use drugs (and the overlap is huge).

It's VITAL to have someone to act as an independent person who acts in your interests. I got arrested, suffered seizures (police ignored warnings) and my wife basically said a cell was in no way fit for my health.

So I walked out of a GBH charge. I mean, the incident WAS the other guy but they were set on getting me. But we made some serious complaints and 4 cops got busted.

In court, Judge was kind of lost as to WHY I was the defendant. So I walked. I do not recommend it, but 6 hours in a cell beats 6 odd years... so you need SOMEONE.
 
^ ya my brother who is a lawyer acted on my behalf out there and god did they hate him for that. But there was only so much he could do. I cant actually say anything bad about how i was treated when i was arrested years ago. The pigs gave me all my meds including oxy and cloaz even though i was very drunk. I can honestly say now that i would much rather deal with going to prison then the psych ward. Atleast in prison guards are scared of you as you generally have friends that can back you up and also weapons. I would much rather be treated as a criminal then a psych patient which is fucked up on so many levels
 
Oh yes - psychiatric units can be terrible. So few rights. But, once again, having a physical disability (blown up in Baghdad) and seizures means that THEY don't actually know what is for the best.

BUT and on the plus side - the police CANNOT interview you (or at least not in the UK). And in 4-6 weeks, they work it out without bullying YOU,

But a lawyer in the family is a plus.

Although don't forget how mental health services ARE illegally overridden by the legal process.

By all accounts Christ Kyle was scum. He took on a dude with severe PTSD and then made fun of him.... at a shooting range. But Eddie Ray Routh was so evidently ILL. But US justice put him in jail for life rather than looking at the events and concluding that the guy should have been in treatments.

But you cannot kill a 'great US hero' without being evil. I never met Christ Kyle, but I sense he was someone I would have not taken to. A pasychopath who got what he deserved is my opinion, but he killed SO MANY bad guys... he must be a good guy.

The UK armed forces has a wise opinion of psychopaths - those brave, dangerous, arrogants that are 'only enlisted so they can be hung as a warning'
 
^ On paper you have rights in the psych ward but in reality you dont. When i was in there i got blood drawn one day and the stupid nurse hit a nerve but wouldnt take the fucking needle out of my goddamn arm. Why/ Because she didnt have to because noone listens to anyone in there. I would much rather be in jail where you are usually left alone anyway. They even have PlayStation in prison here now but not in the psych ward
 
Ah - UK psychiatric wards are a little better. You lose some rights (besed on the Mental Health act) but you are still a person so quality of nursing is quite reliable.

I found is difficult because about ⅓ of the people seem sane and you wonder why they are there, ⅓ ofthe people were in distress but you COULD at least talk to them.... then ⅓ of people were psychotic (usually refractive schizophrenia) and would engage you in conversation that was..... well mad.

But as you say, meds were on schedule but as far asI could tell, NO help was given. In 6 weeks I saw a psychiatrist for 10 minutes.

Very lonely.

I cannot compare it to prison. I should think I would kill myself. UK judges KNOW that certain defendants are likely to do so, so intensive mental health treatment is usual - unless it's a crime of dishonesty (i.e. you sought to profit) which is a sign of sanity). If you just go mad and do crazy stuff... they tend to conclude it's drugs and/or mental health. If they can exclude drugs, they DO consider it to be mental health.

Not to say that the UK system doesn't see abuse. Peter Sutcliffe's (The Yorkshire Ripper) defence team argued he had schizophrenia which was ignored. After 2 years in multiple in prisons (all the time the government blocking his move to a mental health unit), the guy ended up in Broadmoor (The State Hospital) because after all of the murders, it was politically unacceptable for the attacker to be seen as mad rather than evil.

I don't see he was a nice guy, but he did believe a Polish War Memorial was rewriting itself every time he visited and giving him instructions.... He had all manner of cardinal symptoms of schizophrenia, but the media had labelled him 'the ripper' and so politicians were too weak to accept expert advice.

Although people don't seem to know that people suffering schizophrenia are thousands of times more likely to hurt themselves than to hurt others. It's just not an illness people ever discuss. It's just so hard to understand what is going on. The symptoms are so diverse (but almost impossible to fake). Alogia, derailment, incoherence, neologisms, echolalia... all 'odd' but not so odd that you don't stop TRYING to communicate... but then, you have to wonder what was meant.

That's why question 1 is ALWAYS 'do you hear voices' to which I can answer NO. But it's not a good test, I don't think.
 
^ Ya i would do ok in prison i get along with those types pretty well. I however would not like having to pay a fortune for weed or cigs and not having beer. The only good goddamn thing about the psych ward here is that they dont really care about you smoking in them or smoking weed. Some absolute cunt nurses do but not many
 
As someone who has been in rehab and mental health facilities, I can definitely state that telling ANYONE, cops or paramedics, about your recreational drug use is the opposite of helpful. You will likely not get any useful support in the way of quitting substances (unless you have really good insurance, in which case they’ll be sure to set you up for re-addiction so that they can continue to charge your insurance, and yes I have sources for this) and you will be labeled a drug seeking addict for the rest of your life and be unable to obtain necessary medication for pain even a decade after the event itself. I do give advice, and I recommend if you’re in the United States, have a care as to what information you share with a medical professional or LEO.
 
^ Ya i wouldnt have told them anything only for the goddamn needles where on the table because i was to fucked to hide them. But for fucking once i had cops that where actually human and wanted to get me help. i even had contraband smokes on the table and all they said was proper fucking thing. i just cant get over the fact that fucking pigs treated me better then nurses did ffs.

Sorry you had such a rough go of it thats fucked
 
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