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Why do Americans say shit about ww2 like "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us"?

Well that’s just it , I had a pretty accurate read on her during the interview but decided to give her a chance cause she had a sob story (red flag) and sure enough I ended up getting exactly what I thought
 
I see it as "common sense" instead of "dumb/smart"

I try to avoid trusting people that don't have common sense even if they're smart and mean well. Over educated people with no common sense are dangerous socially, and the low educated person with common sense is less dangerous socially imo
 
Jerry Atrick said:
I'm American and I see myself agreeing with @December Flower in this thread more often than not. I see him attempting to have a rational discussion and people either completely not understanding what he is trying to say or simply trolling for entertainment. Then again, I'm what the conservative types claim to be an America-hater even though that couldn't be further from the truth. When I see something wrong with our country, I point it out and want to fix it. The true America-haters see something wrong and either knowingly deny that it is wrong or stupidly don't even notice, either way they merely want to perpetuate the status quo of the rich getting richer while promoting unchecked capitalism. Oh yeah, and dOn'T tOuCh My GuNz!!

As an American, I 100% agree that our government is evil in the way it has treated other countries up to the present day. I 100% agree that the Native Americans were genocided and displaced by Americans and Euro-Americans as well as the American government not honoring a single treaty ever made with a Native tribe. While some people like to claim tribes presently profit off casinos, I would like to point out that they are a minority and further, only the chiefs and leaders profit while most of the everyday citizens still live in poverty and squalor on those reservations.

The funny thing is, conservatives also claim the government is evil but just can't stand when foreigners point this out. December Flower, I noticed that most of the Americans that are trolling you and giving you shit are of the conservative variety. Remember, conservative Americans say the government doesn't work then get elected to office only to prove themselves right.

December Flower, I know you mentioned the left vs right dichotomy that is destroying our nation from the inside out and I agree with this as well. I'm so far left that mainstream democrats don't even like me and the feeling is mutual. I only tend to vote democrat because many of them are better alternatives than the batshit crazy Christo-fascist nationalistic xenophobic republicans. Don't let the bastards bring you down. I'm sure there are other Americans around here who feel the same way I do, maybe they're afraid to speak up for fear of getting flamed or something.
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My main contention is that he hasn't stayed on topic. It doesn't matter if he is correct in stating the US government has done horrible things before because his points have nothing to do with the original OP's statement about America's participation in WW2, which is completely false. All december's statements regarding America's involvement are disingenuous at best.

I'm not conservative(myself) and I only see 2 people in this thread who are consistently conservative. Also I don't know who he is talking about when he said he tried to speak rationally to the person at 1st but it didn't work and feels bad for mocking their opinion but I'm going to assume it's me.

The problem is that he has not been rational. He is all over the place. The only constant being that he hates America's government but in regards to the topic and our particular discussion he has offered up little to nothing for points. Only stating that he will not accept that anybody but Russia beat Germany in WW2, which is an absurd position to take with no other backing evidence or addressing any of my points. He just resorts to a rant about Muricans being too nationalistic for disagreeing with his position on the logistical outcome of WW2.

He seems to have blended every American(or person who disagrees with him) together into one entity, as he doesn't separate individual arguments, discussions or points. Furthermore he is bleeding several different threads together without staying on topic or making any direct points other than America has done bad things. Sure...but what does any of that have to do with the topic? What do Native Americans and slaves to do with America's involvement in WW2 or what's the price of tea in China anyways.

Also as a moderator I don't think it's appropriate to be calling members bastards even if it is indirectly.
 
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alasdairm said:
he's not the only one...

we've basically arrived at the "all liberals are stupid" phase of the thread. such nuance :)

alasdair
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True.... I was going to quote a few of these types of posts and say "come on guys. You're better than this".

I also find some of the more stereotypical America kickin' ass posts cringe and only further validating the opinions about Americans like the OP's. Even if they are in jest or just trolling.

Come on guys.......
 
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Las Veghost grower said:
Yes there is a divide and yada yada, but come on, your average liberal is a lot stupider than your average republican, it’s just a fact
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Dude...

Mr. Krinkle said:
if they were liberal as they claim to be, they would accept everybody for who they are and how they think - you would live and let live and not get caught up in others views

but if you don't think like a liberal, then you're beneath a liberal - that is their view


they're so hypocritically full of shit, that they can't even smell there own bullshit
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The hate is strong with this thread... you know, not all liberals are like the wingnuts you see on social media or the kids who expect everybody to cater to their feelings. A lot of people just have some different opinions about social and economic issues than you do. Something that, until recently, was considered perfectly normal and respectable, even necessary to a well-functioning democracy. But we live in the fucking Twilight Zone. It makes me feel sick. And certainly worried for the future. It's time to wake up and realize how bad this division has gotten that you can't say the word "liberal" or "conservative" without a thread on Bluelight, which is one of the most balanced and nuanced online communities I know of, devolving into this shit.

Didn't think this day could get any worse... probably shouldn't have wandered into this subforum. Peace
 
Xorkoth said:
Dude...



The hate is strong with this thread... you know, not all liberals are like the wingnuts you see on social media or the kids who expect everybody to cater to their feelings. A lot of people just have some different opinions about social and economic issues than you do. Something that, until recently, was considered perfectly normal and respectable, even necessary to a well-functioning democracy. But we live in the fucking Twilight Zone. It makes me feel sick. And certainly worried for the future. It's time to wake up and realize how bad this division has gotten that you can't say the word "liberal" or "conservative" without a thread on Bluelight, which is one of the most balanced and nuanced online communities I know of, devolving into this shit.

Didn't think this day could get any worse... probably shouldn't have wandered into this subforum. Peace
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Everybody could use a Xanax stuffed shroom for dinner
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Not just to people from the UK, but mostly.
Do they teach a weirdly pro-American alternate-history in U.S. schools?

America literally came into the war right at the very last moment as it was ending - after most of the world had been fighting for many years - helped out A LITTLE....and then claimed all of the credit? It's so bizarre.

I'm in no way against the U.S. and many of my friends on here are from there. I've just always found this confusing and weird?

This isn't gonna help my not-having-a-go-just-confused thing (I PROMISE it's true), but while I'm at it (rather than making two threads), on a very similar note: why is Thanksgiving celebrated as when the natives shared their food and shelter with the pilgrims when what actually happened is the pilgrims murdered the natives and stole their food/land/shelter?
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This has quite a few flaws. I didn't read this entire thread.. so ill just post at CE

How long were we In the war.. before we "entered the war?"

Are you glad we "entered" the war.. because really we were entered in the war by the Japanese attack?

"after most of the world had been fighting for many years". what sorta shape were many of the combatant countries in? What shape was England in? When I traveled to England I remember seeing how you preserved some of the ruins from the war, possibly as a reminder to wars insanity. If one of the church monuments was good representation, then England was In tatters in many respects, not in spirit.. but structurally in tatters.

How powerful is the addition of a large, scientific, industrial non war ravaged active Allie? Its a game changer.

I find it hard to believe you hear people even say this anymore?
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
I'm sorry @Xorkoth

We were just having some fun that's all

I still love you all :group hug:
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Word. It's been one of those bad days your mother's always warning you about today. The other shoe has dropped a few times already (only twice on here). I probably should log off for the rest of it before I lose it. Sleep usually makes things better.
 
I feel like the joke behind it all with me is that I'm not even really a conservative but I keep getting called it and it's always hardcore liberals calling me that - so I sometimes run with it

Conservatives call me a liberal because I'm a little too liberal and liberals call me a conservative because I'm not liberal enough

So really that's why it's all a joke to me


I'm just glad that we can all agree, that if it wasn't for the United States...
 
somnilicious said:
My main contention is that he hasn't stayed on topic. It doesn't matter if he is correct in stating the US government has done horrible things before because his points have nothing to do with the original OP's statement about America's participation in WW2, which is completely false. All december's statements regarding America's involvement are disingenuous at best.
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I dunno man. While DF has appeared to veer off topic, in all honesty I think he has only been addressing a lot of people who keep pulling the thread off topic. When half a dozen folks go off topic and half of them are trolling you, it looks like you're off topic but really you're trying to keep up with everyone else coming from all directions. Just a matter of perspective.
somnilicious said:
I'm not conservative(myself) and I only see 2 people in this thread who are consistently conservative. Also I don't know who he is talking about when he said he tried to speak rationally to the person at 1st but it didn't work and feels bad for mocking their opinion but I'm going to assume it's me.
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I can't speak for DF because I'm not in his head but if I had to guess, I'd say it's not you he was talking about but the ones actually trolling him.
somnilicious said:
The problem is that he has not been rational. He is all over the place. The only constant being that he hates America's government but in regards to the topic and our particular discussion he has offered up little to nothing for points. Only stating that he will not accept that anybody but Russia beat Germany in WW2, which is an absurd position to take with no other backing evidence or addressing any of my points. He just resorts to a rant about Muricans being too nationalistic for disagreeing with his position on the logistical outcome of WW2.
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Like I said, a matter of perspective. And the "all over the place" aspect is just him defending his views from attacks that seem to be coming from all over the place.

Also, I'm not reading that he hates specifically the American government but rather ALL governments. I've seen him reiterate multiple times that it's not the everyday people he is chastising but the governments and ones in power, both in America and outside America. I'm just seeing mainly the Americans taking it personally that he is criticizing their government as if they don't do the same thing. God forbid a foreigner calls our government out on their bullshit.
somnilicious said:
He seems to have blended every American(or person who disagrees with him) together into one entity, as he doesn't separate individual arguments, discussions or points. Furthermore he is bleeding several different threads together without staying on topic or making any direct points other than America has done bad things. Sure...but what does any of that have to do with the topic? What do Native Americans and slaves to do with America's involvement in WW2 or what's the price of tea in China anyways.
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Like I keep saying, nearly everyone in this thread is pulling it in different directions. The Native American/slave things do seem to be spillover from conversations he and Krinkle have had elsewhere on here. Other than that, I just see an outspoken person trying to say his piece with a bunch of Americans either legit disagreeing with him (like you) but others outright trolling and pushing his buttons (like you know who).
somnilicious said:
Also as a moderator I don't think it's appropriate to be calling members bastards even if it is indirectly.
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Sorry about that. I guess it's a colloquial term that you may not recognize. Where I live the statement "Don't let the bastards bring you down" is more tongue in cheek and you are correct, it was indirect and not meant to be aimed at anyone specifically other than maybe the trolls who have nothing constructive to add other than purposely trying to piss people off.

Maybe it's my liberal empathy that's getting the best of me but I'm just trying to put myself in another's shoes. Lord knows I know what it's like to be ganged up on, addressing all comments while sticking to your guns and principles. It isn't fun or easy but I have to respect the effort.
 
somnilicious said:
My main contention is that he hasn't stayed on topic. It doesn't matter if he is correct in stating the US government has done horrible things before because his points have nothing to do with the original OP's statement about America's participation in WW2, which is completely false. All december's statements regarding America's involvement are disingenuous at best.

I'm not conservative(myself) and I only see 2 people in this thread who are consistently conservative. Also I don't know who he is talking about when he said he tried to speak rationally to the person at 1st but it didn't work and feels bad for mocking their opinion but I'm going to assume it's me.

The problem is that he has not been rational. He is all over the place. The only constant being that he hates America's government but in regards to the topic and our particular discussion he has offered up little to nothing for points. Only stating that he will not accept that anybody but Russia beat Germany in WW2, which is an absurd position to take with no other backing evidence or addressing any of my points. He just resorts to a rant about Muricans being too nationalistic for disagreeing with his position on the logistical outcome of WW2.

He seems to have blended every American(or person who disagrees with him) together into one entity, as he doesn't separate individual arguments, discussions or points. Furthermore he is bleeding several different threads together without staying on topic or making any direct points other than America has done bad things. Sure...but what does any of that have to do with the topic? What do Native Americans and slaves to do with America's involvement in WW2 or what's the price of tea in China anyways.

Also as a moderator I don't think it's appropriate to be calling members bastards even if it is indirectly.
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Again: Russia lost 26 million people. Russia won. Thank you.
US saw an opportunity and helped bomb our cities to the ground up until after we had already lost the war.
It was just a matter of Hitler capitulating, which he didn't want and he was the only thing holding back the end of the war, so Russia went after Berlin, after Hitler, to kill him, or at least arrest him to end the war. Where was the US at the time? Prolly bombing Dresden.

And why isn't defeating Japan, Italy and nazi-occupied France enough? Why do you also want to be the one who defeated Germany, and in the end Russia did nothing? Is that what you want? They just lost 26 million people because the winter was so cold. Glory to the US who only bombed our cities full of women and children. Is that what you want to hear? Or should I say Glory to the US who single-handedly saved the world, without the US we all would have been doomed and one tiny country would have defeated everyone, oh the humanity!

No that's not what makes Americans nationalistic, read more careful if you want to jump to conclusions. What makes America nationalistic is that many or even most Americans like to categorize everyone into nations and politics. You even categorize each other into political nations, Democrat or Republican.

Who called anyone a bastard? What?
 
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Jerry Atrick said:
I dunno man. While DF has appeared to veer off topic, in all honesty I think he has only been addressing a lot of people who keep pulling the thread off topic. When half a dozen folks go off topic and half of them are trolling you, it looks like you're off topic but really you're trying to keep up with everyone else coming from all directions. Just a matter of perspective.

I can't speak for DF because I'm not in his head but if I had to guess, I'd say it's not you he was talking about but the ones actually trolling him.

Like I said, a matter of perspective. And the "all over the place" aspect is just him defending his views from attacks that seem to be coming from all over the place.

Also, I'm not reading that he hates specifically the American government but rather ALL governments. I've seen him reiterate multiple times that it's not the everyday people he is chastising but the governments and ones in power, both in America and outside America. I'm just seeing mainly the Americans taking it personally that he is criticizing their government as if they don't do the same thing. God forbid a foreigner calls our government out on their bullshit.

Like I keep saying, nearly everyone in this thread is pulling it in different directions. The Native American/slave things do seem to be spillover from conversations he and Krinkle have had elsewhere on here. Other than that, I just see an outspoken person trying to say his piece with a bunch of Americans either legit disagreeing with him (like you) but others outright trolling and pushing his buttons (like you know who).

Sorry about that. I guess it's a colloquial term that you may not recognize. Where I live the statement "Don't let the bastards bring you down" is more tongue in cheek and you are correct, it was indirect and not meant to be aimed at anyone specifically other than maybe the trolls who have nothing constructive to add other than purposely trying to piss people off.

Maybe it's my liberal empathy that's getting the best of me but I'm just trying to put myself in another's shoes. Lord knows I know what it's like to be ganged up on, addressing all comments while sticking to your guns and principles. It isn't fun or easy but I have to respect the effort.
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Yes pretty much. It's hard to stay on topic when you're being confronted with everything.

I want to know just as well how it's related when I say "The US bombed our cities full of civilians, only women, children and seniors to be exact" and the answer is something like "Yeah but the Nazis killed all the Jews and they killed children too" (or something like that was his answer) as if that somehow allows killing civilians or makes killing innocents and children somehow something that is positive and to be cherished. Or how that makes you the good guys by comparing your nation to the devil. Isn't that proving my point? Anyways

It's not good, and should not be cherished. It's fucking horrible. And I'm not going to accept that as the war-saving victory. US did it so they would get part of the spoils, which they got, and still to this day grab on to, other than the 3 other Allies who long ago moved out of Germany. US still 80k soldiers here, still bases, still military occupation, and we're still not an actual country. In fact German nationality is worth zilch, we have to get Bavarian, Bohemia, Silesian, something like that, or when war breaks out we can be used as gun-fodder - and nobody is told that, maybe 1% of the population know this and change their nationality on their pass. Germany is not a country, citizens of Germany have no constitution to back them up. What do you want me to say? "Thank you Uncle Sam, please shove that D a bit further into my home's throat while preparing to sacrifice it?" How can people expect me to change my opinion here? Just let me have mine, I let you have yours. For me it feels like many Americans just want to find a German who says US defeated Germany, yet all Germans say it was Russia, because..well it's the truth, dude. Russia did some fucked up stuff here too, and also did good things, just like the US. And I don't like either more or less, it's just fact that Russia defeated us. I'm not playing favourites here by saying US didn't defeat us - i'm just not willing to lie to protect brainwashed people.

And yeah that's my point. I hate all governments that have sufficient power to be a bad influence on the world. US, Russia, those are my top 2, but China is coming too, Germany I hate anyways how could i not?
I don't believe in the fairy tale that there are "good guys" amongst powerful governments. Have you seen the people who actually want to become politicians?

@somnilicious No i was not referring to you. I was referring to the people who trolled my opinion, because they can't take it. I would have never discussed so long if some fucking notion-fascists didn't disallow me my opinion by trying to ridicule it further and further.
 
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