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Why do Americans say shit about ww2 like "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us"?

Maybe he is a Russian troll.

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If I was i wouldn't say that both US and Russia are fucked up evil Empires

No the fact is Americans just cannot fathom that 90% of the world thinks they're an evil Empire. You cannot stomach anyone saying anything negative about the US, and that's why I say you are much too nationalist for my taste. You need to be more rational
 
While i'm siding with your criticism against the unchecked anti-Americanism, i fail to see the relevance here.
Btw unchecked? I dunno where you been all this thread but i got 10 angry Americans on my.ass each post i make here. Far from being unchecked, ond only so blatantly con because Muricans are so blatantly pro and they need to know their government is a piece of shit. Just as bad as Russian gov, maybe a bit better, maybe a lot worse, but definitely not "the good guys"
 
tell me about it

Read where i said that both Russia and US are evil Empires. I said it like 10 times.. But Russia lost 26 million ppl against us. 26 MILLION dead, and so many muricans try to take the glory away from Russia here. Why am i even discussing? Because blindly pro Murica and blindly con Russia. Man, fucking Muricans are too nationalist, you can not.criticize the US in any way whatsoever or they all get a panic attack. If you can't take critique you shouldn't talk history. Cuz history is the last source to learn that ur the good guys, try a fairy tale
Already been reading your fairytails for the last few days. I offered up no blind nationalistic diatribe. I'm fine with critique but I have gotten no such thing. Only broad rants of dislike.

When somebody offers up disingenuous falsehoods as truth then im free to critique that flawed opinion. Wouldn't you say? Maybe you should take your own advice because I've simply responded to inaccuracies and you resort to simple pejoratives such as "Muricans" to try and belittle my right to respond to false statements about our countries history the same way anybody from any other country would and does.
 
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I'm American and I see myself agreeing with @December Flower in this thread more often than not. I see him attempting to have a rational discussion and people either completely not understanding what he is trying to say or simply trolling for entertainment. Then again, I'm what the conservative types claim to be an America-hater even though that couldn't be further from the truth. When I see something wrong with our country, I point it out and want to fix it. The true America-haters see something wrong and either knowingly deny that it is wrong or stupidly don't even notice, either way they merely want to perpetuate the status quo of the rich getting richer while promoting unchecked capitalism. Oh yeah, and dOn'T tOuCh My GuNz!!

As an American, I 100% agree that our government is evil in the way it has treated other countries up to the present day. I 100% agree that the Native Americans were genocided and displaced by Americans and Euro-Americans as well as the American government not honoring a single treaty ever made with a Native tribe. While some people like to claim tribes presently profit off casinos, I would like to point out that they are a minority and further, only the chiefs and leaders profit while most of the everyday citizens still live in poverty and squalor on those reservations.

The funny thing is, conservatives also claim the government is evil but just can't stand when foreigners point this out. December Flower, I noticed that most of the Americans that are trolling you and giving you shit are of the conservative variety. Remember, conservative Americans say the government doesn't work then get elected to office only to prove themselves right.

December Flower, I know you mentioned the left vs right dichotomy that is destroying our nation from the inside out and I agree with this as well. I'm so far left that mainstream democrats don't even like me and the feeling is mutual. I only tend to vote democrat because many of them are better alternatives than the batshit crazy Christo-fascist nationalistic xenophobic republicans. Don't let the bastards bring you down. I'm sure there are other Americans around here who feel the same way I do, maybe they're afraid to speak up for fear of getting flamed or something.
 
I'm American and I see myself agreeing with @December Flower in this thread more often than not. I see him attempting to have a rational discussion and people either completely not understanding what he is trying to say or simply trolling for entertainment. Then again, I'm what the conservative types claim to be an America-hater even though that couldn't be further from the truth. When I see something wrong with our country, I point it out and want to fix it. The true America-haters see something wrong and either knowingly deny that it is wrong or stupidly don't even notice, either way they merely want to perpetuate the status quo of the rich getting richer while promoting unchecked capitalism. Oh yeah, and dOn'T tOuCh My GuNz!!

As an American, I 100% agree that our government is evil in the way it has treated other countries up to the present day. I 100% agree that the Native Americans were genocided and displaced by Americans and Euro-Americans as well as the American government not honoring a single treaty ever made with a Native tribe. While some people like to claim tribes presently profit off casinos, I would like to point out that they are a minority and further, only the chiefs and leaders profit while most of the everyday citizens still live in poverty and squalor on those reservations.

The funny thing is, conservatives also claim the government is evil but just can't stand when foreigners point this out. December Flower, I noticed that most of the Americans that are trolling you and giving you shit are of the conservative variety. Remember, conservative Americans say the government doesn't work then get elected to office only to prove themselves right.

December Flower, I know you mentioned the left vs right dichotomy that is destroying our nation from the inside out and I agree with this as well. I'm so far left that mainstream democrats don't even like me and the feeling is mutual. I only tend to vote democrat because many of them are better alternatives than the batshit crazy Christo-fascist nationalistic xenophobic republicans. Don't let the bastards bring you down. I'm sure there are other Americans around here who feel the same way I do, maybe they're afraid to speak up for fear of getting flamed or something.
I agree with you, guy. And I found that I agree with a variery of the things December Flower said. However, he seemed to make it very one sided. He only spoke of abuses of other nations when forced to, it seemed to me.

What really got me in it was the numerous things he said which were not true.

Disinformation is a huge problem currently and I have a huge problem with it. It's mostly (but not all) a tactic of the right and the Russians, but I'm being redundant.
There's a reason they call them "red" states.

We suck, but other countries do to. Some more than us, even.
Here's a learning thing for me in my life. You may or may not be old enough to remember the revolutionaries of the 60's. You may or may not have supported them, I did.
There was a tendency among some to look to Russia for guidance and as an example at the time. I was into short wave listening and had QSL'ed Radio Moscow (easy, first catch). I not only wrote another reception report, I asked for any information they could send me and expressed my support. I got stuff from them for years, to the great consternation of my father.

Russia at the time was already a failed communist experiment. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
We already needed a lot of work back then, Russia was prolly already much worse.
They can both be true, I will say again.
The 60's "revolutionaries" idolizing Russia was misguided.

It's funny enough that, although I thought December Flower didn't focus on Germany's issues in WW2 enough at first, I think that Germany is one of the more progressive and better nations in the world right now.
They actually govt funded BioNtech's research into the first Covid vaccine (Pfizer is a parent company to BioNtech).
They didn't pre-order and then say they funded like Trump (many nations pre-ordered, BTW), they actually directly funded the first Covid vaccine.
That'll start some shit, maybe.
 
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Huh? That was during the war. The bombing of our coties was when our entire army was already defeated by Russia. You wanted some of the spoils, and you got them.

The bombings here were fucking brutal and inhumane.


And again how does your opponent's strategy make yours more moral? Would ot have been OK to put all Germans in gas chambers after the war? No? Then your point is a non sequitur
Well, to be honest, Germany industrialized chemical warfare in WW1 and Britain was shit scared that Hitler would do the same - my dad had stories of having a gas mask go everywhere with him, as a kid (without realizing that Hitler abhored chemical weapons after his experience in WW1), hence that wonderful British response, the anthrax bomb - a chemical attack can result in thousands of fatalities, biological weapons could eradicated the human race, for all intents and purposes.
And regarding nukes, Berlin was the intended primary target of the first nuclear weapon, as the allies were convinced Germany was furthur along developing their own nuke. Germany surrendered before the Trinity test in the New Mexico desert. Also, by that point two billion dollars had been spent on the Manhatten project: the US likes to see value for it's dollar, so an excuse to test this new weapon on a city's population, was a dead cert. Had it not been for timing, Berlin would have been the recipient of the first nuke and that would have dwarfed Hiroshima's death toll
One last little personal niggle: the US would have had the grand total of ONE untested uranium device. It was British explosive experts that came up with a method of detonating a plutonium based device (10% of Los Alamos was British, so deveopment of nukes was not a US invention - OK, a British scientist -Klaus Fuchs- gave technical details to the Soviet Union. Otherwise, the USSR was no closer to a practical nuclear device than Germany)
 
I'm American and I see myself agreeing with @December Flower in this thread more often than not. I see him attempting to have a rational discussion and people either completely not understanding what he is trying to say or simply trolling for entertainment. Then again, I'm what the conservative types claim to be an America-hater even though that couldn't be further from the truth. When I see something wrong with our country, I point it out and want to fix it. The true America-haters see something wrong and either knowingly deny that it is wrong or stupidly don't even notice, either way they merely want to perpetuate the status quo of the rich getting richer while promoting unchecked capitalism. Oh yeah, and dOn'T tOuCh My GuNz!!

As an American, I 100% agree that our government is evil in the way it has treated other countries up to the present day. I 100% agree that the Native Americans were genocided and displaced by Americans and Euro-Americans as well as the American government not honoring a single treaty ever made with a Native tribe. While some people like to claim tribes presently profit off casinos, I would like to point out that they are a minority and further, only the chiefs and leaders profit while most of the everyday citizens still live in poverty and squalor on those reservations.

The funny thing is, conservatives also claim the government is evil but just can't stand when foreigners point this out. December Flower, I noticed that most of the Americans that are trolling you and giving you shit are of the conservative variety. Remember, conservative Americans say the government doesn't work then get elected to office only to prove themselves right.

December Flower, I know you mentioned the left vs right dichotomy that is destroying our nation from the inside out and I agree with this as well. I'm so far left that mainstream democrats don't even like me and the feeling is mutual. I only tend to vote democrat because many of them are better alternatives than the batshit crazy Christo-fascist nationalistic xenophobic republicans. Don't let the bastards bring you down. I'm sure there are other Americans around here who feel the same way I do, maybe they're afraid to speak up for fear of getting flamed or something.
I'm fully aware that to a lot of Americans, being called a socialist is an insult: they are so right wing that they cannot distinguish socialism from communism. Communism is basically a theoretical state that cannot work (as Orwell pointed out, in animal farm, you cannot have everyone equal, as countries need leaders and communist dictators aren't that different from fascist dictators). Socialism is caring for everyone in your country, not just the rich/privilidged and is why Britain got rid of Churchill as soon as the war was over, electing the Attlee government that set up the NHS & the welfare state. Churchill was part of the government that promised a 'home fit for heroes' after WW1, which turned out to be a fucking lie.
The NHS being a socialist creation seems to have bypassed all the fuckers applauding the cockwomble and his shitshow government. How soon progress is forgotten eh?

Oh and yes, I see being called a socialist as a badge of honour, meaning you care about fellow citizens...
 
I'm American and I see myself agreeing with @December Flower in this thread more often than not. I see him attempting to have a rational discussion and people either completely not understanding what he is trying to say or simply trolling for entertainment. Then again, I'm what the conservative types claim to be an America-hater even though that couldn't be further from the truth. When I see something wrong with our country, I point it out and want to fix it. The true America-haters see something wrong and either knowingly deny that it is wrong or stupidly don't even notice, either way they merely want to perpetuate the status quo of the rich getting richer while promoting unchecked capitalism. Oh yeah, and dOn'T tOuCh My GuNz!!

As an American, I 100% agree that our government is evil in the way it has treated other countries up to the present day. I 100% agree that the Native Americans were genocided and displaced by Americans and Euro-Americans as well as the American government not honoring a single treaty ever made with a Native tribe. While some people like to claim tribes presently profit off casinos, I would like to point out that they are a minority and further, only the chiefs and leaders profit while most of the everyday citizens still live in poverty and squalor on those reservations.

The funny thing is, conservatives also claim the government is evil but just can't stand when foreigners point this out. December Flower, I noticed that most of the Americans that are trolling you and giving you shit are of the conservative variety. Remember, conservative Americans say the government doesn't work then get elected to office only to prove themselves right.

December Flower, I know you mentioned the left vs right dichotomy that is destroying our nation from the inside out and I agree with this as well. I'm so far left that mainstream democrats don't even like me and the feeling is mutual. I only tend to vote democrat because many of them are better alternatives than the batshit crazy Christo-fascist nationalistic xenophobic republicans. Don't let the bastards bring you down. I'm sure there are other Americans around here who feel the same way I do, maybe they're afraid to speak up for fear of getting flamed or something.
Thank you very much. Yes I did try rational discussion but it backfired hard and ended with me mocking his opinions, which.. I get it, is mean, but he's not going through any conversation with Europeans if he cannot accept that the US isn't perfect.

My points were valid amd carefully picked yet all resulted in "oh the high nosed Europeans always knowing better."
Im German, im far from being high nosed here, how could i be? We're the lowest form of a country. But when I see nationalist behaviour like that, acting like the US is the kingpin of modern governments, im going to fight that opinion, and im going to get aggressive. Because i would prefer it if the Democrats and Republicans didnt start another civil war, as they are poised to do
 
Thank you very much. Yes I did try rational discussion but it backfired hard and ended with me mocking his opinions, which.. I get it, is mean, but he's not going through any conversation with Europeans if he cannot accept that the US isn't perfect.

My points were valid amd carefully picked yet all resulted in "oh the high nosed Europeans always knowing better."
Im German, im far from being high nosed here, how could i be? We're the lowest form of a country. But when I see nationalist behaviour like that, acting like the US is the kingpin of modern governments, im going to fight that opinion, and im going to get aggressive. Because i would prefer it if the Democrats and Republicans didnt start another civil war, as they are poised to do
Of course Europeans know better, Americans have only been fucking up for a couple of centuries, whereas assorted Europeans have been fucking things up for a couple of MILLENNIA!
 
Btw unchecked? I dunno where you been all this thread but i got 10 angry Americans on my.ass each post i make here. Far from being unchecked, ond only so blatantly con because Muricans are so blatantly pro and they need to know their government is a piece of shit. Just as bad as Russian gov, maybe a bit better, maybe a lot worse, but definitely not "the good guys"

you do make incorrect and contradicting statements throughout your rage for the US - that's what you fail to see - sometimes it's just blind hate coming from you

and then you keep taking shots at us "muricans this and muricans that" "yeehaw" and shit like that - and then you cry foul when a shot gets fired back your way


that's your main problem here which you fail to recognize


so don't act like you're being ganged up on - there's a bunch of Americans here and you're gonna get some return fire for it

you wanna go downtown and scream the N-word and then play the victim


i don't feel bad for you at all
 
Of course Europeans know better, Americans have only been fucking up for a couple of centuries, whereas assorted Europeans have been fucking things up for a couple of MILLENNIA!
And yet you don't listen to your Elders, instead throwing tantrums when we ask you to learn from our mistakes.

300 year old country. 300 years aren't enough to be called "historic" here. My village is 1200 years old. I drank wine older than the US. But you won't take our advice, even though your country is on the best way to repeating all our mistakes
 
you do make incorrect and contradicting statements throughout your rage for the US - that's what you fail to see - sometimes it's just blind hate coming from you

and then you keep taking shots at us "muricans this and muricans that" "yeehaw" and shit like that - and then you cry foul when a shot gets fired back your way


that's your main problem here which you fail to recognize


so don't act like you're being ganged up on - there's a bunch of Americans here and you're gonna get some return fire for it

you wanna go downtown and scream the N-word and then play the victim


i don't feel bad for you at all
Again, the difference: i can say Muricans are yokels, that's non personal, and btw it's how most ppl from Europe see the country, but you called me personally a nazi, me, not Germans, me as a private entity.

And instead of proving me wrong about Americans all you do is shout "USA Number 1!" and tell me US nation didn't steal that land, which is fucking disrespectful.

You are the reason with your stereotypical American behaviour that im bashing so hard here.

Why don't you go downtown and tell black ppl what you told me anout Africa and slavery? And im supposed to be the Nazi here rofl. Ur the fucking Nazi here, just one Aryan to another.
 
i know there's awesome americans who think for themselves and try to stop what the country has become. You are one of the reasons the system still works
 
Again, the difference: i can say Muricans are yokels, that's non personal, and btw it's how most ppl from Europe see the country, but you called me personally a nazi, me, not Germans, me as a private entity.

And instead of proving me wrong about Americans all you do is shout "USA Number 1!" and tell me US nation didn't steal that land, which is fucking disrespectful.

You are the reason with your stereotypical American behaviour that im bashing so hard here.

Why don't you go downtown and tell black ppl what you told me anout Africa and slavery? And im supposed to be the Nazi here rofl. Ur the fucking Nazi here, just one Aryan to another.

what did i tell you about Africans and slavery? That your people, the Europeans, brought them here as slaves? you think they don't know that already?


it's got nothing to do with me being a stereotype - it's got everything to do with you just being a bitch ass
 
what did i tell you about Africans and slavery? That your people, the Europeans, brought them here as slaves? you think they don't know that already?


it's got nothing to do with me being a stereotype - it's got everything to do with you just being a bitch ass
And who used them as slaves?

Tell that to a black guy, that it was just the evil Europeans and Americans are innocent in this 😂 we didn't need a big freeing of the slaves with a huge faction actually fighting to keep the slaves
 
as a European living in the US your whole premise that the US nation didnt stem from Europe and trying to set a dofference between the two is so fucking stupid i can barely believe it

you didn't make sense from the beginning. Indoctrinated American, no effort to think for yourself, just regurgitating fucked up republican politicians
 
Of course Europeans know better, Americans have only been fucking up for a couple of centuries, whereas assorted Europeans have been fucking things up for a couple of MILLENNIA!
But at least you are saying US fuckes up. I don't know if youve been reasing all, but Krinkle says the US never did anything wrong.

That's why i am so aggressive towards this, because it's a fucking lie, even he knows that.

Im sorry if im roundhouse kicking here, but his opinion is so utterly devoid of thought it makes my.blood boil. No respect for those who died or were enslaved under the regime.

Point out Euro mistakes, ill point out many more with you, given that you admit the US isn't perfect, like he pretends it is. And he still hasn't even reacted to US mistakes NOW, not 80 years ago, not 200. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, are these ppls lives worth nothing? Yugoslavia, Syria, Lybia, ..
 
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